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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:46 AM
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Why didn't Moore tell that the 7 minutes he describes...
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 11:57 AM by Delano
Was actually more like 20-something minutes. There is only 7 minutes of FOOTAGE of the idiot sitting there. According to every timeline I've seen, he actually sat there dazed for much longer...
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:49 AM
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1. Is that true?
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 11:50 AM by senseandsensibility
I thought he stayed there for seven minutes, then stayed at the school for an additional thirty minutes after he left the room.
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rog Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:59 PM
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14. He knew about the first crash BEFORE he entered the school.
Edited on Mon Jun-28-04 10:35 AM by Skinner
Most folks start counting minutes when Andy Card comes in to the photo op and informs the pResident of the second WTC impact.

But please read Paul Thompson's essay "An Interesting Day," at Cooperative Research
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

Excerpt:

When Did Bush First Learn of the Attacks?

Why does it matter when Bush left the resort and arrived at the school? Because this is the crucial time when Bush was first told, or should have been told, of the attacks. Official accounts, including the words of Bush himself, say Bush was first told of what was happening in New York City after he arrived at the school. However, this statement does not stand up to scrutiny. There are at least four reports that Bush was told of the first crash before he arrived at the school.

Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street ... he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” (See adjacent map for the location where he is told.) Another account states, "Bush was driving to the school in a motorcade when the phone rang. An airline accident appeared to have happened. He pressed on with his visit."

The first media reports of Flight 11's crash into the World Trade Center began around 8:48, two minutes after the crash happened. CNN broke into its regular programming at that time , though other networks, such as ABC, took a few more minutes to begin reporting. So within minutes, millions were aware of the story, yet Bush supposedly remained unaware for about another ten minutes.

Claims of Bush's ignorance become harder to believe when one learns that others in his motorcade were immediately told of the attack. For instance, Kia Baskerville, a CBS News producer traveling with Bush that morning, received a message about a plane crash "as the presidential motorcade headed to President Bush's first event." Baskerville said, "Fifteen minutes later I was standing in a second grade classroom " ... which means she got the news at about 8:47 ... right as the story was first being reported. A news photographer in the motorcade overheard a radio transmission that Press Secretary Ari Fleischer would be needed on arrival at the school to discuss reports of some sort of crash. Another account notes Fleischer got the news that the crash had occurred "just minutes before," but notes that Bush was not in the same car as Fleischer. Senior presidential communications officer Thomas Herman said, "Just as we were arriving at the school, I received a notification from our operations center than an airliner had struck one of the towers...."

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:12 AM
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18. He had to stall
because all the planes were supposed to take off at about the same time and should have all crashed with 15 minutes of each other.

When a couple of flights were delayed taking off, they had no choice but to sit on their hands for as long as they could, until the attack was over.

If there had been no delays, they would have all looked like heroes instead of idiots.

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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:49 AM
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2. No, he sat in the room for 7 additional minutes then
huddled with his co conspirators in the school for an additional 20 minutes after that.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:52 AM
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3. he sat for longer than 7 minutes
I've seen unedited tape.
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:53 AM
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4. He stayed in the school for a total of 30 minutes!!!!
He was like a deer in the headlights. He had absolutely no idea how to take command. He had no idea what to do. He had no idea how to react. He had no idea he should get out of the school immediately to protect the kids. He had no idea period. His mind was like his expression . . . BLANK . . .


Cripes . . .I cant even spell Preserdent . . .
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:05 PM
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5. Nostamji-how tapes? + bush swig awhile?
Nos., not doubting you, but merely wish to learn, ... who has the unedited tape?
Is it online anywhere? Might really tip the election to show it all, or just moore's part, online. With an online viewer that ALL cprs can receive, ALL browsers. Even dinky webtv's .

Perhaps bush stayed in the school while he demanded a fifth of Jack Daniels to calm his nerves, and while aides tried to calm his "shock-shakes" and pull him out of the fetal position in the corner.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:07 PM
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6. a DUer (sterling) showed it to me about a year or so ago
he was working with another ex-DUer (ewing2001) on a TV project.

I don't know where to find it though...
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:10 PM
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7. Here's one...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:04 AM
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16. 30 minutes AFTER he was supposedly told, "America is under attack"
that is.

Although I could have sworn it was, "Just sit tight. Flights 77 and 93 were delayed."
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:11 PM
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8. The kiddies kept reading to him for seven minutes
and during that time, he barely moved a muscle, looking like somebody who had just been told his fresh suit would be delayed a few minutes. He actually stayed there schmoozing with the kiddies for nearly half an hour after he was told. He didn't ask for more information, he didn't ask why beepers and cell phones were going off like crazy, he didn't seem to care. He just continued the meaningless photo op with the kiddies, not excusing himself to DO HIS JOB.

There are only two conclusions: first, he's so stupid he really can't do anything he isn't told to do; or second, he expected it and is the coldest, most callous son of a bitch on the planet.

I really don't think there are any other possibilities.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:17 PM
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9. One other possibility.....
He may have been truly stunned, saying to himself "They did it.....they really, REALLY did it......and all this time I thought Cheney was just kiddin' with me......."

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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:19 PM
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10. and there's also this
"they said it would be a 'conventional' hijacking... bin Laden promised it would be a 'conventional' hijacking."

or, he couldn't move because he shit his pants.
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ocean girl Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:28 PM
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11. No, no, none of those explain it! Think ALIBI
Th real reason he stayed there because he needed an ALIBI.

That's what criminals do when they need to prove innocence when they are guilty.

MIHOP!!!
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 03:07 AM
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17. What could be more innocent than just sitting there with a bunch of
little kids?

Think bad, guilty neocon screenwriting.

Think Ari holding up a sign saying, "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET."
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:29 PM
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12. and this.
In his speech at the Clinton portrait presentation, he said he was glad to be there and he thought the president would have been glad to be there too. (Last sentence, third paragraph), the dumbass was sitting there in a school wondering what cheney was doing. He don't have a clue.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:49 PM
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13. I think his cabal brainwashed him regularly to help him
get through the facade of being President/Resident of the U.S. Then, at that moment when Card told him everything was OK because they were in contact with Cheney and he would take care of everything = it dawned on him even through the effects of brainwashing that he wasn't really as important as they had been telling him.

(With a little cynicism. Possibly as absurd as they are absurd.)
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 02:34 AM
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15. I was watching BBCAmerica
that morning. I don't know how others covered it but BBCA had a split screen; right side towers billowing black smoke; left side squatter sitting in the chair. My son says, 'what the f**k is the matter w/ him, he's just sitting there like nothing's happened. Hey DUMBASS, get up!' It seemed like forever B4 he finally got up, especially w/ the continuing disaster playing out on the right side.

Then he gives that little speech, where he says' 'don worry, we're gonna git the fokes who did this.' FOLKS? FOLKS!?! And then what invite the 'folks' over 4 dinner?
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 05:20 AM
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19. Watch my work
in the sig line below..
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 06:01 AM
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20. He would be castigated
If he mentioned undocumented time, it could be easily construed as a fabrication. The way he did it, the facts are unimpeachable.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-28-04 06:12 AM
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21. Bush left the elementary school at 9:35 according to
news sources. After he left the classroom, he went to another room and made some calls before actually leaving the school.
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