I don' t understand about this Iraqi freedom thing

[louis c]

Let me get this straight. We are presently in Iraq, with young American men and women losing their lives and limbs and spending hundreds of billions of taxpayers' dollars to establish a free, prosperous, democratic Iraq as an example to their neighbors, so it can spread throughout the Middle East.

First, if this was our goal, why didn't we start with our allies that we already bailed out, like Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? How about the Middle East countries with no oil that we give Billions in aid to like Egypt or Jordan. Seems to me that they would have been more receptive to the idea than Saddam.

Next, this premise of establishing a "free and democratic Iraq" as an example to the neighbors, so western styled values can spread in that region is gullible at best, even if you believe the bullshit. Who could fall for this shit? And they call us "Idealistic Fools".

Finally, Iraq being "free and democratic", in order to serve as an example to change the region reminds of the story of the two guys who wanted to start a zoo to save their bankrupt town, even though they did not posses any exotic animals yet and had no money. One guy says to the other "we'll teach a couple of turtles to fly, and folks will come from all around to see them. After a while, we'll have enough money to buy all kinds of exotic birds and animals. Folks will stay at the nearby hotels, they'll eat at our restaurants, buy our gas, shop at our stores, and we'll be rolling in dough." "This is a great idea to save the town", says the other man "except go over that turtle part again. "

Let me tell you, it will be easier to teach turtles to fly, than to expect a free, democratic, pro-western government to flourish in Iraq. Even our supposed allies in the region don't want that.

[prodigal_green]

1. Great line in Control Room

The documentary about Al Jazeera at the beginning of the Iraq War:

"Democratize or we'll shoot!"--Hassan Ibrahim (on watching footage of "coalition" soldiers in Iraq)

[Disturbed]

2. Full Sovereignty

The idiot Resident repeated this crap. then he stopped saying it after his own people backed off and started calling it "limited sovereignty". The real description is: U.S. Puppet Govt.

Maybe most Americans will believe this crap about Iraq sovereignty but it is assured that most Iraqis know it is Colonization.

Full Sovereignty?

"Throughout the spring, as hundreds died in the spiraling conflict, as Regime bosses applied their hardcore "anti-terrorist" tortures to innocent bystanders raked up in their occupation nets, as Regime mouthpieces prated endlessly of "liberation" and "sovereignty," Bush viceroy Paul Bremer was quietly signing a series of edicts that will give the United States effective control over the military, ministries -- and money -- of any Iraqi government, for years to come, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Bremer has placed U.S.-appointed "commissions" made up of Americans and local puppets throughout Iraqi government agencies; the ministers supposedly in charge weren't even told of the edicts. These boards "will serve multiyear terms and have significant authority to run criminal investigations, award contracts, direct troops and subpoena citizens," the Journal reports. Any new Iraqi government "will have little control over its armed forces, lack the ability to make or change laws and be unable to make major decisions within specific ministries without tacit U.S. approval, say U.S. officials.


Earlier Bremer edicts laid the Iraqi economy wide open to ruthless exploitation by Bush-approved foreign "investors"; dominance of such key sectors as banking, communications -- and energy -- is already well advanced. The latest dictates aim to ensure that this organized looting goes on, no matter what kind of makeshift "interim government" the United Nations manage to piece together. Bush's plans to build a Saddamite fortress embassy in Baghdad and 14 permanent military bases around the country are designed to provide the knee-breaking "security" for these lucrative arrangements."



http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/05/21/120.html

[charlie]

3. Unfortunately, no

He's once again emphatically claiming Iraq will be cut loose to forge its own future in the next couple of days:

We'll be turning over full sovereignty on June the 30th. That means complete, full sovereignty. The Iraqi government will now make the decisions that are necessary to rebuild their country and to -- and to get to free elections. They have asked for our help, but they fully recognize what I've just described as necessary, that they have to have their forces, their police well-trained and well-prepared to meet the threat of the few who want to derail the ambitions of the many.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040626-16.html