F9/11 - Did I hear one of the soldiers mention Napalm??

[BattyDem]

When they were showing the clips of the injured Iraqis, one of the soldiers was talking about what they used on them ... and I swear I heard the word Napalm! Did I hear that correctly?


By the way ...
- the theater was full for the show I attended and the show before it
- the audience response was great
- at least 50% of the people had tears in their eyes when leaving the theater
- Another 25% looked absolutely stunned - very pale, blank looks on their faces
- Some of the comments I overheard as I was leaving: "He's an idiot!" ... "Those bastards!" ... "We're there for no reason at all!"
- After the WTC attack, when the dark screen lit up with images of people crying and paper falling, the theater was completely silent. I swear you could have heard a pin drop! I've never heard a movie theater so quiet ... there's usually some kind of noise: whispering, people eating, coughing, etc., but at that point, there was nothing but stunned silence. It was eerie.
- Lila had everyone crying and that bitch who harrassed her in front of the White House had everyone fuming! I could hear curses coming from different parts of the room.
- Funniest moment in the theater ... The Bush photo-op where he was taking orders at a diner and he said, "What do you want." Someone in the crowd yelled, "Resign!" That got a nice round of applause. :-)

[southernleftylady]

1. I heard it too n/t

[BlueStateGirl]

2. Yes. I heard it too.

[BattyDem]

3. Everytime I hear that word ...

:-( I think of this picture:

[southernleftylady]

4. Thats what flashes thru my mind too :(

[KeepItReal]

5. Yeah, they have alot of options in terms of ordnance they can call in

They have regular hi-explosive artillery rounds and bombs that can be dropped on unfriendlies, but he probably wasn't talkin about that.

He might have been referring to a fuel-air explosive (FAE) weapon. The FAE diperses a gas over the target that ignites. Suppsed to cause a very big concussive wave due to the overpressure, and of course lots of heat effects.

[DemoTex]

8. What's the diff?

FAE and napalm? Probably just the name. Eh?

[ShaneGR]

6. Napalm has never been outlawed....

You are confusing it with what was called "Agent Orange." Napalm is a burning substance intended to quite literally burn out an enemy. It has been used (not just by the US) continuously in one form or another for over a century.

Agent Orange was in effect, a agricide, invented to destroy forest growth (in some cases it doesn't grow back for years) and deny the enemy a place to hide. It caused numerous diseases and was eventually dropped from the US weapons arsenal.

[StandUpGuy]

12. Yes BUT.......

-snip-
They were supported by US Navy aircraft which dropped 40,000 pounds of explosives and napalm, a US officer told the Herald. But a navy spokesman in Washington, Lieutenant Commander Danny Hernandez, denied that napalm - which was banned by a United Nations convention in 1980 - was used.

"We don't even have that in our arsenal," he said.

The navy admitted to using napalm as late as 1993 in training exercises on the island of Vieques in Puerto Rico, but the last cannister of a vast US naval stockpile was reportedly destroyed in a public ceremony in April 2001.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/21/1047749944836.html?oneclick=true

hmmmm nice catch MM

[lanparty]

16. Not Napalm ..

They now use an ADVANCED version of Napalm. They call it something else. So they can now technically say they don't use Napalm anymore.

[StandUpGuy]

18. who cares what the call it

The average person that sees that kid say NAPALM will be as shocked as I was.

They won't care what new name its got.

And won't believe any denial.

:nuke:

[lanparty]

24. Oh, I agree ...

They know damn well it's a caustic burning agent that sticks to things. The difference between Napalm and Firebombs is the difference between RollerBlades and inline skates. They're effectively the same thing.

[supernova]

7. Yes, I heard it

and was surprised to learn they are STILL using Napalm after 40 years.

"I LOVE the smell of NAPALM in the morning!"

[DemoTex]

13. Have you ever smelled napalm ("Apocalypse Now," notwithstanding)?

The problem with the smell of napalm in the morning, is that it is always accompanied by the smell of human flesh. That is a very bad smell. Been there, smelled that.

[supernova]

17. No, never smelled it -- but I got the point

of the sarcastic/ironic comment in the movie. Anyone who "loves the smell of napalm in the morning" by definition loves the smell of holocaust.

I can't imagine DemoTex. Must have been horrific.

[TrustingDog]

9. missed this one.

- Funniest moment in the theater ... The Bush photo-op where he was taking orders at a diner and he said, "What do you want." Someone in the crowd yelled, "Resign!" That got a nice round of applause.
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I'll have to go see it again just to catch it.

[BattyDem]

15. Oh, sorry ... I guess I wasn't clear ...

I meant that someone in the theater crowd yelled "resign" ... not someone in the movie. You didn't miss anything. Sorry about that :-)

[wyldwolf]

10. yes... and here is a link to a story

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/21/1047749944836.html?oneclick=true

[hippywife]

11. Mark 77 Firebombs

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/08/1060145828249.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030805-firebombs01.htm

I believe the only difference between it and "napalm" is the accelerant used. The uses and the effects are the same. I sent a scathing email to the WH last year concerning their use.

[scarletwoman]

14. Yes, you certainly DID hear "napalm" -- and it's a war crime!

The use of napalm was outlawed by international treaty after the Vietnam war.

Check out this article:

Heavy reproaches against US Pentagon: Napalm bombs in the Iraq war
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4395.htm

Napalm. The Horror-weapon from the Vietnam-war . It is internationally banned and outlawed, it's use is forbidden by the Geneva-Conventions . But nevertheless, it was used in the Iraq-war by the US army.

<snip>

These are the firebombs we're talking about : they are labeled MK 77, an advanced and perfected version of the Napalm-bomb used in Vietnam. The US Military and armament-industry still uses the same name for it: MK 77(Napalm)

James Snyder, Physicians for Social Responsibility :

"There is absolutely no difference in the impact and use of MK 77 and Napalm. They're both made for the same purpose. The only difference lies in their fuel . But both are designed to kill as much humans as possible, attack bunkers and spread fire." We wanted to know from the Pentagon, if these MK 77 bombs were used in the Iraq-war.

A Pentagon-speaker told MONITOR:

"I can confirm, that MK 77 bombs were dropped at the Kuwaiti-Iraqi-border." And on the question, if the MK 77 bombs are indeed Napalm-firebombs, the speaker said: "MK 77 is called
Napalm due to the fact, that their impact on targets resembles remarkable to the use of Napalm."

(read the whole piece at the link -- it's a translation from a German TV program)

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Thanks for bringing this up. There were so many shocks and stunning moments in the film that I had almost forgot about the napalm statement. It blew me away when I heard it, but then things just moved right along from there to other horrors.

Bringing this up reminds me that I came across some reference to napalm being used in Iraq last year. To hear the word straight from that soldiers mouth was like being punched in the gut: "OMG, it's TRUE!"

With all my heart and soul, I want to see the entire bush* cabal on trial for war crimes!

sw

[BattyDem]

21. That's what hit me, too

"To hear the word straight from that soldiers mouth was like being punched in the gut: "OMG, it's TRUE!"


I heard some things about Napalm and Iraq before, but to hear the soldier say it out loud was a bit shocking. :-(

[theHandpuppet]

19. There are lots of reports on Napalm use in Iraq

This is just a sampling of articles related to the use of Napalm in Iraq. Pretty depressing and stomach-churning:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=432201
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/2003/08/001179.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/21/otsc.irq.savidge/

Do a Google search and you'll find many more reports such as these.

[maggrwaggr]

22. and it was used on those who had no option of surrendering

many of whom were as young as 14.

[librechik]

20. yes, and they showed several women who had been burned

not sure if this was file footage or part of the new stuff he got in Iraq.

[maggrwaggr]

23. "The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/n/napalm.htm