How I know the election is lost

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

This is the 1st election I'm voting at my new address. I sent in the change form and they returned the card as "Ms. ______" when I'm a mister.

I called and got it corrected, and they said it was because I marked the space "in between mr & ms" but I know for a fact I filled in the "mr." box, not in between the 2.

The new corrected card, which I had to request - the lady asked "do you need it?" and then said they'd send only after I asked "WTF do you mean doI need it? Yes I need it!" - they werent going to send it at all.

The new card has the date I called to have it fixed next to the voter registration #. The eligible to vote and original aplication date are a month before the # next to my VID#. A new "me" was created to create a fake person.

How do I know this? I still have the 1st card they told me to "throw away". It has a different VID #. A new voter that doesn't exist has a vote now. How do I fix it? Call them back so they can create a 3rd voter or throw out the one vote I have with my name?

The black box voting machine might just steal that vote. If it doesn't and the fake voter votes opposite of what I vote in the election then it's like I never voted. They vote Bush - I vote Kerry then the votes negate eachother.

[Hoosier]

1. get in their faces

Call them back. Ask about the system. Call your city/county rep. Push hard on them.

[Divernan]

2. In what state are you registered?

nt

[walldude]

3. I think even if they cheat

they may still lose. Thanks to Moore we have the momentum and it's not letting up. 21 million dollars in the 1st weekend, and that is in less than 1000 theaters, thats unheard of. What I'm worried about is that if they lose they can still declare Martial Law before the changeover and hold on to the office by force. I wouldn't put it passed them...

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

12. This should answer all 3

The system is broken. I don't trust it after 2000 and the Governor recall in Cali (where I'm registered) I don't trust them to rectify it.


F 9/11 can make all kinds of money. If we don't use the gift Moore gave us that would enable the system to be blown wide open what does it matter? Moore showed that using facts in f 9/11 does nothing, he knew the reaction against him would be what it was. That's why he only used Butch's own words via footage, and known ties to saudis to question Butch. The war is brought home as being real by the mom whose son was killed. He left the this was staged thing in for a reason. His critics juct call him a liar, but they don't have the truth. People who hate Bush just worship Moore and don't call for an investigation either. A investigation into 9/11 will prove who is or isn't lying.

The repubs calling him a liar don't call for an investigation of 9/11 to prove that Moore is lying, and neither does the side worshiping him. Moore himself can't make the connections like he did in Roger & Me and BfC. If he did, then the truth would get discredited because he said it. Investigating 9/11 properly will implicate the entire corrupt system, and help us all. But only if we demand it.


The repub or democrat system would rather call eachother names and be "right" instead of wanting the facts and the system fixed.

F*ck Butch, F*ck Kerry, I want the facts. Why was this not investigated? Why when the victims families have asked for it to be investigated has it not been? Why haven't the Dems got together in Congress to demand an investigation, there's enough left to make enough noise to get a REAL investigation going, but they haven't. Why?
They are part of the system.

INVESTIGATE 9/11

If the system isn't put under a magnifying glass NOW while we have the chance, then we're making it easy to be screwed over.

If the system stays and the coruption isn't exposed (Moore gave us the means to do so!) then the next step is to live in corporate and government opression, and get branded a terrorsit when you question the leaders and the system, or try to fight it.

INVESTIGATE 9/11
Please.

America and Freedom is at stake. If we let this chance get away then they'll know they can do whatever the fuck they want to us and they'll do it. Investigate 9/11 and find what really happened and why the PATRIOT act then likely goes away,and we get rights back. If we trust the system and the elections to be fair and just, then the truth about 9/11 is never known, our rights are never returned, and we have given the politicos and the system excuses for fighting b.s. wars. Electing officials who want fight wars or who want to fix the problem by adding 40,000 more troops to the war won't get it done. Investigate 9/11 - it's our only chance.


Elsewhere someone said "let's create 1000 Michael Moore's". Let's not.

I'm only 24 years old - still young, and I can see that we need to stop wanting Moore's to fight for us. We need to do it ourselves. NOW. Demand a 9/11 investigation, this is something that repubs, and democrats and greens, and libertarians all want the truth about. It can unite us and free us all from the systems opression. Pointing fingers and towing party lines helps devide us and helps us continue to be ruled. United we stand divided we fall.

INVESTIGATE 9/11 NOW.

[mcgarden]

4. How I know the election is lost!

Renquist didn't retire during Bush term one. Do they know something we don't?

[Cyrano]

10. Whatever they try to pull, the militarty is against them.

BushCo has fucked over the military so badly in the past three years, that I don't think even senior pentagon military personal will would follow the imposition of martial law.

Cutting their combat pay, cutting their medical coverage, cutting the pay to their families while they're shipped overseas on hazardous duty.

BushCo may try to steal another election, but if they try martial law, the military will not go along.

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

13. good thing for them

That they've sent all the military out of the country.

It's up to us. We need to fight NOW.

Investigate 9/11.

[newyawker99]

21. Hi mcgarden!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Eloriel]

5. Oh. Shit.

What state?

Do you have ANY Democrats in office, anywhere? Can you write this up as a letter to the editor? Would it get printed? If so, try to call someone higher up the chain than who you dealt with (and did you get his/her name?)

Post this everywhere, on all the computerized voting machines sites and lists (if you can find them), and include the state and as many details as you can.

[morcatknits]

7. Fatalism

On the part of those opposing Bush is what would lose the election, if it is to be lost. In fact, that's exactly what they want us to think -- that it's inevitable. Everything they've wanted us to think so far has been lies, as far as I can tell.

Back to my knitting,
MorcatKnits

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

14. I agree

Everything is lies. We can topple the system from within. Investigating 9/11 properly will do it.

There's too much that was done to hurt us, PATRIOT act, Wars, living in fear, etc that is directly related to the 9/11 attacks for it to get the halfassed investigation it got "did the president know? was there a link to Saddam and Al - qaeda?" That's not investigating why the buildings were attacked, or even who did it.

Investigate it properly, and the coruption and lies will cause they system to colapse from within. Then we can get America back on the correct path.

INVESTIGATE 9/11

[AP]

6. I'd send a letter to the registrar setting this story out so there's a

paper trail and heads will role in Nov. if there are more problems.

Have a lawyer write it and that'll put a fire under someone's ass.

[Wind Dancer]

8. I agree, pursue this immediately!

If it happened to you, it's happening to others and this is serious. I would contact as many people as possible - please!

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

15. I'm contacting the people here

We want America to be better. We can do it. The system and lawyers and judges aren't going to fix it. The people are. Trusting the system's means to elect leaders as fair at this point is wishful thinking.

I refuse to participate in aiding the system further.

We have less rights, and are sending people to kill in our name because of the system "electing" the loser, and his reaction to 9/11.

Everything Butch cites as positives under his rule, War & "democracy" in Iraq, war on terrors, PATRIOT act, Dept of homeland SScurity, were in reaction to the 9/11 attacks. There's enough Democrat votes to have voted against the PATRIOT act, and enough to have kept from giving Bush the power to order war (Constitution says congress is the only branch that has the power to declare war - they voted to give Butch the power too, which is not in their power - but they did anyway) The dems are as much a problem as the repubs. It's our trust in them to do the right thing that got us here.

INVESTIGATE 9/11.

[AP]

19. I think I gave you really good advice.

If you don't want to do more than post about this to DU, cool. But I think you should send a letter setting all this out to BOE so they can't deny that they didn't know this was happening.

Make your allegation that yous suspect this is being done intentionally, if you want.

Putting them on legal notice is probably the wisest course of action.

[NewEmanuelGoldstein]

16. The idiots

Gave me the paper trail. The 2 cards with different VID # show it wasn't fixed, they just made a "correct" me and kept the fake one.

[unkachuck]

9. Yep, that's progress....

....they can do it all with computers today.....the Sheriff and the Boys don't even have to get lost for a 5 hours transporting the ballots 2 miles anymore....they don't have to double-punch their opponents' ballots, it's done right on the spot with corporate computers....yep, that's progress....

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. Welcome to DU. I too worry about * stealing this election.

[Senior citizen]

17. Take it to the your city council or county board of supervisors

When I had a problem with my registrar of voters, I took my paperwork, prepared a 3-minute speech outlining the problem, and signed up to speak when general comments from the public were permitted at a city council meeting.

Immediately after the meeting my a staff person came up to me and asked for a copy of the paperwork, which I provided. The next day an assistant to the registrar of voters phoned me, and we eventually resolved the problem.

It is always good to go public as quickly as possible whenever something like this happens. But stay with it. Before my problem was resolved I had much written correspondence and even a 2-hour phone conversation with THE registrar of voters for my county. Which reminds me, I'd better phone them this week and make sure they plan to have plenty of paper ballots available in time for elections.

[Kazak]

18. There's a difference between...

lost and stolen.

[RedEagle]

20. Please email Bev with this one

[e-mail]

Please put Voter Registration Problems in the title and "help!"

What state are you in, what county?

If they tell you they have fixed the problem, make them prove it.

Keep track of the second "person."

You can use that to see if that person "votes" in the upcoming election.

Become part of the clean voting crew at: www.blackboxvoting.org

[Old_Growth]

22. Makes you wonder when just today * is so confident of victory

In a brief discussion about Bush's campaign for re-election, Bush said, "I am sure I will win the election."

http://www.zaman.org/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20040628&hn=9887

[vetwife]

23. If he goes back in e'll regret the day he was born.

People do not want him and people will take to the street. I have heard waaaaaaaaaaay too many say this and he will wish he had bowed out. He hadn't got the stomack or the Ba..s to take what will come his way. Don't tick off a combat vet who claims they are being driven over the edge and many do. They usually can do some damage. Don't count the Vet out and we got some ticked off vets. Remember they never untrained these guys. Do I have first hand info..No..Do I know what they are capable of...You bet !

[scottxyz]

24. Bush need to be tried and sentenced

If we just try to vote him out, we're goners.

Already tried that last time and look where it got us.

Bush is a dictator and he's running for his life now. Does anyone really believe the next election is gonna be "fair"?