Are there any white people here?

[DrWeird]

On another thread about the human rights groups going into Abu Ghraib to control the rape and torture, it occurred to me that no posters realize that war criminals are White Youth. White people vote Republican in overwhelming numbers and yet I have a feeling that very few make it to this site. Am I wrong? Does this bother anybody else?

[porphyrian]

1. Huh?

You think that the majority of the people posting here aren't white? Is that what you're asking about?

[doni_georgia]

2. I'm white and the two other DUers I have met in RL are white too

I would think the racial makeup of DU mirrors the racial mix of the country.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

3. Time out

Are you saying only white people are human rights violators?!?!?!??!

[bigbillhaywood]

30. That's certainly not true, but you also have to examine objective power

relationships within a racial context. The world's leading imperial power-- the US-- is led by white folks, and the most reactionary elements in our government are supported by white people and few other ethnicities. Anyone can be racist and anyone can commit atrocities, human rights violations and other forms of oppression. But the world's most powerful oppressor is led by whites-- which is an inescapable reality. Not that ending white dominance will end racist oppression-- organized religion, the nation-state, and capitalism must be smashed first-- but it may be a step in the right direction.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

62. Who says human rights violations have anything to do with race?

That's funny - last I checked, the Chinese were violating their own human rights. And many African countries also violate the human rights of people their own race, as is the case in many Latin countries. So would you care to redefine your original comment?

[outinforce]

125. The World's L:eading Power

has, as its Secretary of State and its National Security Advisor, two people of color.

Next?

4. I used to be white

French, German & English. How Wasp-y can you get?
Then I found out I had some Iroquois blood. Even though it's 6 generations back, that disqualifies me.:)

[LosinIt]

34. I'll see your WASPishness and raise you one

English with a dash of Scottish with names like Miles, Card, Smith, Aiken my god we are so boring.

[leyton]

5. Um... what does their race have to do with it?

Does it really matter that the people who committed torture in Aby Ghraib were young and white?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. There was one black soldier, but yes...this war is as much about racism

as it is about oil and hegemony.

[leyton]

70. You haven't answered my question.

What does the race of individual soldiers have to do with it?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

77. I think the question answers itself

only someone in complete denial would question what race has to do with torturing people...if one is a racist then those races that vary from your own are easy to dehumanize.

[alwynsw]

79. Amen!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

80. Hey you!

:hi:

[alwynsw]

83. Let's blow this pop stand and go to Denny's. nudge nudge, wink wink

[RubyDuby in GA]

6. Yes, it bothers me

I am a white female from the South and it bothers me to see these yahoo redneck idiots continually vote against their own best interests. But then again, we're also dead last in education, so the two go hand in hand.

[DenverDem]

7. I am a white Texas native

and a long term, hard core progressive.

I think you are incorrect in your racial profiling. I deal with a lot of caucasian progressives, and while the proportion of progressives in the white race is undoubtably lower than that of people of color, the numbers of white progs is still substantial.

[RummyTheDummy]

8. Ummmmmm

I'm white as a sheet, like most DUers. This should clear up any misconeptions.

http://democraticunderground.com/gallery

[daytondem]

9. look at the gallery

I don't know how representative it is of all of DU, but the gallery is VERY white.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/gallery/

[Sweetpea]

27. Unless people of color don't like their pic posted ...there are mostly

white people in the gallery.

[CatWoman]

35. I can attest that there are loads of Blacks here

but I can't devulge their names if you don't know the secret handshake :D

[comradebillyboy]

10. not all of the accused are white

however i cant at the moment recall the name of the sgt i am thinking of. i think some of the americans who have been court martialed for abusing iraqi prisioners (at places other than abu graib, or gruff or whatever) have been non-white.

i am very white

[Razorback]

11. White people

I am a white person, and do not vote Republican, I also do not torture prisoners at Abu Ghraib. I actually think it is very steroetypical to suggest that a large majority of white people vote Republican, or tourture prisoners. It is a bit offensive, to be honest. I am sure that you are not seeking to disparage white people, but I must ask, What is your point?

[Cheswick2.0]

21. A majority of white people vote republican

I think it is something like 60 percent of white men and 53 percent of white women.

[CatWoman]

39. of all of the soldiers accused

only ONE is black.

I think that's the point he was trying to make.

[Razorback]

49. Only one is black?

My question is, though, what the point of the observation is? does that mean that white America has a greater percentage of blame, because white people vote Republican and torture prisoners more than blacks?

[CatWoman]

57. or, it could mean that whites are more prone to

get their kick at others expense.

Can you say African American Slaves? Native American Indians?

[Razorback]

61. Or, maybe something else?

I reject your generalization. I am a frequet visitor to heavy minority neighborhoods in my line of work and I can tell you that the practice of getting kicks at another's expense is not a propensity based on color. I see truly vile and evil things happen at other people's expense in those neighborhoods. Sometimes that vile and evil things happen to me. Do you think it has anything to do with my being white in an otherwise black neighborhood?

[DrWeird]

75. pay no attention to Catwoman.

She's a racist. One time she called Bob Barr a black man. Can you believe it? How dare she!

Sometimes I also visit vile minority neighborhoods when I visit my many black friends. I agree they're evil!

[Razorback]

76. Not much to say

DrWierd you've got not much to say in which I am interested. :)

[mvd]

85. I think it's a problem whenever any group of people gets..

too much power - there are abuses that occur. I was hoping that we were getting more enlightened, but then Bush was selected..

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

64. Can you say China?

Or Somalia? Or Sudan? All countries where people of the same race violate each others' human rights.

[CatWoman]

71. I wasn't referring to people of the same race violating each

other's rights. Of course that happens. That's why the Mafia was so powerful.

I was talking about the exact opposite senario.

No orange juice in my apple juice, ok?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

73. You don't make any sense

You specifically state the white's get a greater kick out of oppressing other races when other races are equally guilty. That's not apples and oranges at all.

[noiretextatique]

99. let's come back home: when were white people oppressed by people of color

in america?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

104. How is this relevant AT ALL to this conversation?

This is the original quote: On another thread about the human rights groups going into Abu Ghraib to control the rape and torture, it occurred to me that no posters realize that war criminals are White Youth. White people vote Republican in overwhelming numbers and yet I have a feeling that very few make it to this site. Am I wrong? Does this bother anybody else?

The point is that there are war criminals of ALL races. PERIOD. You have absolutely no point in saying that in this country white people aren't oppressed by people of color. We're not at war with ourselves, at least not in the traditional sense of the word, last I checked.

[noiretextatique]

109. read your comment above mine

yeah...whites do seem to get a kick out of oppressing people of color.
it's been "the natural state of things," so to speak, for a long time.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

110. whatever...

This discussion stopped making any logical sense a long time ago. Every race has a lengthy history of abusing the human rights of other races, as well as their own race. Period.

[noiretextatique]

111. yeah...i always hear that when the topic of

american and european racism/imperialism/colonialism comes up :eyes:
it's a great way to avoid the discussion of one of the reasons we are in iraq right now.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

112. Do you dispute that?

I didn't exonerate anyone. No one on this planet is innocent. I think we're all guilty as sin. I'd just like to remind that I didn't make the original statement. Americans fucked up BIG TIME in the arena of human rights abuses, and we should be ashamed of our past. Most other countries also should be ashamed of their human rights records as well. That's the point. If you think any group of humans on this planet are angels, you're the only one deluded here.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

113. Reply to your edit

it's a great way to avoid the discussion of one of the reasons we are in iraq right now.

How exactly have I avoided anything?!?!?! I said that EVERYONE HAS FUCKED UP! How is that not taking the blame? How is that not accepting our responsibility for our crimes? Just because others are guilty too, that doesn't mean much, except in the context of the original point that was made, that went along the lines of "white people are war criminals". It's not JUST white people.

I'm not sure how you're making this leap to conclusions, but I damn well expect an apology for your implication of racism.

[noiretextatique]

115. get a grip...i didn't accuse you of anything

what i said is this: saying that every country is as fucked up as american is a way to avoid the discussion of american culpability and responsibility for its tradition of racism...and the POWER to enforce its will on countries like iraq. we see that manifesting now in iraq as it did in central and south america, in vietnam, and elsewhere where poor people who, coincidentally, are not white happen to live.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

117. Yeah, and with that implication

You're implying I think that tradition of racism is "okay", and in turn, that would make me a racist. I never exonerated America in any way. Many people being guilty doesn't make everyone innocent. That's some ridiculous logic.

[noiretextatique]

118. stop personalizing the issue

would you please.
what is ridiculous logic is the notion that "everybody does it" means anything at all.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

119. You're hurting my brain

Once again, I will repeat myself. In the context of the discussion, the original author made a comment that white people were war criminals, inferring other races were not. I was clarifying to that person that other races have indeed very much been guilty of hate crimes. YOU are the one who personalized this when you made a snide comment about my remarks.

[noiretextatique]

121. not really...some white people ARE currently war criminals

the fact that other people are as well is irrelevant to what i'm talking about here. countries like iraq, guatemala, somalia, and so on don't have the power to cause all the white folks in america who voted for bush, inc the kind of harm that they can and do cause them.
it's the big imperialist power that causes the most harm and creates the most destruction for the poorest people on this earth, and the rest of us as well...that's my point. in america, we know that it's mostly white americans who are supporting bush, inc's imperial wars...they do that in part because racism is a part of the heritage and tradition of this country...a part of the privilege.
the fact that other people commit heinous acts as well has little or nothing to do with what i am talking about.
show me another country that COULD do to us what we are doing to iraq...then perhaps this "everybody does it" thing will make more sense.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

122. I'm ending this conversation now.

You apparently can't wrap your mind around the fact that this discussion did not start with you, however it will now end. You butted yourself in with this ludicrous notion that I am not acknowledging that white people and Americans commit war crimes. I did. I never disputed the original assertion that white people commit war crimes, only the notion that he frames it that either all white people are war criminals or that only white people are war criminals, both of which are flatly wrong statement and easily shot down, which is exactly and only what I have done. That's it. End of discussion.

[noiretextatique]

123. this is a discussion board

:eyes: i will check with you next time before i reply to your post.
don't worry...you can still take comfort in the knowledge that everybody does it, like most americans do.

[alwynsw]

78. That doesn't wash.

Can you say African American Slaves? Native American Indians?

Can you say Irish? Can you say Hutu and Tutsi (Rwanda '94)? Sudan? How could we leave out Bosnia and Haiti?

And let's not forget the Arab/Isralei issue - both are semetic peoples in origin, although later converts to judaism are of all reaces.

Hmm. Possibly the greatest evil in recent memory was led by Pol Pot. Last I checked he wasn't white.

My point? Skin color is immaterial. All humans visit inhumanities upon their fellows on a regular basis. Because a single group may be over-represented in a particular atrocity does not taint the entire group. Were that the case, none of humanity would be worth saving. There are no ethnic, racial, or national groups that have not committed atrocities far worse than those at Abu Gharib. That doesn't make the prison issue less severe, but it does put it in perspective.

As for my thoughts concerning the disposition of those guilty in this instance; I hope the military Courts Martial(s) (yes "Courts") deal(s) with them swiftly and severely.

[Cheswick2.0]

13. I used to think I was white

I certainly looked white. But them someone said only black people cared about the vote fraud in Florida. That's is when I joined the NAACP cause I knew I must be a black woman.

[omshanti]

14. Dr. Weird is referring to...

a recent DU thread entitled something like "Are there any black people here?" I looked for it but can't find it (must be a couple of pages back by now.

[bigbillhaywood]

15. Half-white. And I look white. Does that count?

Besides, some of my best friends are white. Snicker.

[Razorback]

29. Re: Half White

Some of my best friends are white, also. I am new to this site, and I didn't expect to see someone throwing out the stereotypical garbage I expect to find elsewhere, so I am still seeking an answer to what the original poster's point was when he made reference to White people torturing prisoners of war or voting republican. Can anyone help me out here?

[bigbillhaywood]

42. I dunno

There is white skin privilege in this country, as well as many others. And that skin privilege has been used by right-wing politicians throughout American history to get white people to vote for them in order to protect that privilege-- Bush is no exception. Obviously any inference that this means all whites are racist or that only white people oppress is patently false, but white skin privilege is a daily reality.

[Razorback]

44. I do know!

The White skin priveledge fast becoming a load of bunk. It is very easy to lean against that as a crutch, or even an excuse, but if we are to better ourselves as a nation and a unified people, we need to spend less time pointing out the differences between us and coming together on our similarities. Jesse Jackson is as guilty of Racism, and profiting from racism as GWB. I don't mean to come off as a Freeper but I am getting tired of hearing about white oppression and white privelidge. Priviledge and discrimination exist on many levels and incorporate many factors. I was once turned down for a job because I had too many characters in my name and was told it would not fit on their timecards and create a hassle

[bigbillhaywood]

45. Jessie Jackson is a racist. OK.

You obviously have little understanding of racism in general and of Jessie Jackson in particular. No use wasting my time discussing this with you anymore.

[Razorback]

48. Jesse is a racist

Is it very easy to reply as you did. Accuse the accuser, but it really not an effective way to communicate your point. If I do not understand racism than explain it to me. Tell me how Jesse, earning a living shaking down corporate america is not a benefactor of Racism. He is a blemish on the face of all good people that work to create a diverse and harmonius America.

[Razorback]

53. Bigbillhaywood

Hey Bigbill, it is apparently you that has no understanding of racism as you apparently cannot explain it effectively. I guess it is better that we do not debate the issue, I am not a fan of one sided debates. It's sort of like watching an Oklahoma Vs. Prairie View football game.

[bigbillhaywood]

54. I have made a quick assesment of you (correctly or incorrectly),

and I feel that someone who levels the charge of racism against Jesse Jackson, is unlikely to be willing to seriously consider my viewpoint on the subject. Therefore, I feel it will be an unproductive debate from both sides and therefore there is no point in continuing it.

For the record, Jesse has taken many stands on social and economic issues that affect ALL races. He often lends support to striking union workers regardless of what race they are. Not only is Jesse nowhere close to being a racist, but race is only one issue among many that he stands for.

Calling Jesse a racist because he challenges white racism is an inherently reactionary position, and I will be able to convince you of nothing coming from that perspective. Hopefully, you will do some research and some long hard thinking about it, and come to different conclusions on your own.

[Razorback]

58. Your quick assessment

Quick, assessments, generalizations, stereotypes, etc. Dangerous things. Jesse would even think so. I never said that Jesse did not have worthwhile causes, but I did say that he makes his living off racism. Some of his causes are not very just, though. He is a bit of a headline seeker. He spends a lot of time championing the causes of high profile blacks at the expense of lesser-known, more in need cases. Example: He went on a tear about Ray Rhodes, a head coach with the Green Bay Packers getting fired after an 8-8 record. He didn't even acknowledge that Chan Gailey, also 8-8 was fired by the Cowboys that same year. He also didn't come to Chan Gailey's defence. Ray Rhodes was not about Racism, it was about Green Bay not making the playoffs (something they are not accustomed to)but it was a headline catcher and Jesse was there. Keep making your quick assessments and ruling people out before speaking with them. You will eventually run out of people to talk to.

[bigbillhaywood]

59. Self-aggrandizement does not make him a racist. nt

[Razorback]

63. No, but forcing companies to hire

black candidates under threat of protest and boycott does make him a racist. I am all for corporate america becoming more diverse, but it should not be at gunpoint. Isn't a pretext for Racism economic power? If that is the case, when Rev. Jesse holds these companies hostage (economically speaking), even if it is for a good cause, it is still racism. Machiavelli might say..."Who gives a crap?" but there it is.

[bigbillhaywood]

68. Nope. Not racism. How do you propose we fix racism in corporate

America? Reasoned discussion. Yeah, that works really well. You have to flex muscle or racist institutions will never change their tune. I suppose you think the Montgomery Bus Boycott was immoral because it shut down transit operations. Boycotts, strikes and protest are the only way people have been able to fight racism and oppression in this country. Take those away and nothing changes.

[Razorback]

72. Is Racism, Sorry. No way around it.

No, the only way to fight racism in corporate America is to become one society. Programs used to create "diversity" such as affirmative acton are the very wedges that drive people apart. No, the way to fix racism is to fix it the same way the Irish and Italians and the Jews did it. Become the best candidate for the job, own businesses, gain economic freedom through hard work. That is how to eliminate racism. Handouts and holdouts will only further create issues, but that will keep Jesse working though.

[bigbillhaywood]

88. So the reason Blacks are not successful as opposed to Irish, Italians

and Jews is because they are either lazier or stupider. That would be the logical inference from your argument. I don't suppose it has anything to do with the history of 300 years Black slavery, over 100 years of post-Civil War Jim Crow segregation and police-aided Klan terror, the systematic racism of the politicians (like Bush) and their corporate masters designed to divide and conquer ordinary working people according to white skin privilege which continues to this day, and I don't suppose the fact that Italians, Irish and Jews all have white skin has anything to do with it.

I also suppose the many strikes and boycotts led by Irish, Italian, and Jewish workers over more than one hundred years of immigrant labor struggle had nothing to do with improving their economic station-- according to you it was all individualistic hard work and entrepenuerism that led to their eventual success. And again, I don't suppose being white had any influence in their assimilation into the rest of white society. Certainly there are no historical examples of oppressed Irish and Italian immigrants being pitted against Black workers by the ruling class in this country (Sarcasm if you didn't already guess).

This is why I didn't want to get into this with you (although I've obviously been suckered into it). Because your views are so far from mine, this debate will not be productive. Spend the next couple of months reading up on the history of racism in this country, and I'll debate you on it, but not before then. May I suggest A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn and How the Irish Became White by Noel Ignatiev for starters. If you can find it, there's a documentary called "By The River I Stand" about MLK and the Memphis sanitation workers' strike. Use google or Amazon and I'm sure you can find some other good titles. Until then, we're done.

[Razorback]

89. Bigbillhaywood

I actually have no interest in studying racism, I think it is garbage and those that dwell on it are simply looking for a reason or an excuse. I would rather bring people together than drive them apart. Were you a slave? Was I a slave owner? Until we are, as a nation, prepared to declare the issue dead, we cannot move on. Racism exists in many forms, and people from all ethnic groups are guilty of it at some point. If you have spent any time in Boston, you would know the struggles that the Irish, and Italians have had. If you need evidence on struggles the Jews have had, you can look in Europe and America, and certainly in Israel. I did not make the statement that Blacks were lazy or more stupid (stupider isn't a word, if you used it as dramatic effect, good for you, if you just didn't know, well there you go). I was simply seeking to point out that people rise above what some call a Racist society every day. It seems as though the people that get past the excuse making and get to putting their mind toward something more productive than how society is keeping them down, are the ones that become successful and should be a glowing example of how to overcome and eradicate any racism that may still be left. I may be a liberal thinker and a progressive, but not one that feels the need to apologize for being white or to forgive underachieving due to lack of effort for people of any race.

[bigbillhaywood]

91. Point one:

1. "I did not make the statement that Blacks were lazy or more stupid".

Nor did I say you made that statement-- but I did say it is the logical inference from your argument, which you make again in the previous post: "or to forgive underachieving due to lack of effort for people of any race." What is underachieving due to lack of effort if not laziness.

2. "I actually have no interest in studying racism, I think it is garbage and those that dwell on it are simply looking for a reason or an excuse."

"Were you a slave? Was I a slave owner? Until we are, as a nation, prepared to declare the issue dead, we cannot move on."

Then you will never understand the historical reasons for Black oppression and will continue to assume they have not succeeded as well as whites because they are by and large lazy. This isn't an issue of blaming white people today for slavery, it's an issue of understanding historical context of insitutional racism which is alive and well today, and working to correct it.

3. "If you have spent any time in Boston, you would know the struggles that the Irish, and Italians have had."

Moved there when I was 15, lived there until I was 26. I'm half Irish and it always annoyed me when Irish-Americans who have been controlling the city for the last 60 years complained of anti-Irish racism as if they personally experienced it. When Black people wield that kind of political and economic power, and when Black people rarely personally experience instituional racism, perhaps I will be annoyed at those who complain of slavery, but not before then.

And I lived in East Boston, an historically Italian neighborhood that now has more Latino immigrants living there than Italian-Americans. And the Italians there have become assimilated alright. So much so that I got to hear old Italian immigrants complain of the new "spic" immigrants taking over the neighborhood. Immigrants that are only doing the same thing they did when they got off the boat from Sicily and Naples years ago-- working hard to try and build a better life. But now the roles are reversed.

4. Being half Arab myself, I have gotten to see this situation from both ends. My white skin and culture allows me some privilege in this society. But when people learn my Muslim name, I also get to see the ugly racism come out. I understand racism. I have personally experienced it many times. I have seen it in Boston. I have seen it while living in the South. I have seen it in South Philly. I have read about it in books, and I have fought pitched battles with neo-Nazis, the Klan and other racists in the streets and in the pubs. I have read about it on the internet, in magazines, and watched documentaries and films about it. I have seen it in the workplace, in bars, and I have seen it on Democratic Underground. Do I understand it completely? No. But you understand nothing. This really will be my last post to you as you have already stated you have absolutely no interest in educating yourself further on the matter.

[noiretextatique]

97. you have no interest in american history?

racism is a part of it.

[Razorback]

90. Forgot to ask

You stated that you didn't want to get into this with me because our interests are so different. Isn't hat the most ridiculous thing you have ever written? Why share ideas with those that think the same way? It's like trading lunches with someone that has the same lunch!! We expand our own borders by exposing ourselves to others of different viewpoints. I would shudder to think of the state of our society if we only shared ideas with those that thought like us. What a scary world that would be. Mental segregation, sounds like fun??!!

[OKNancy]

43. He's trying to be funny

about some other thread that was posted earlier. I'll leave it to you to judge if he is funny or not.

[AspenRose]

82. Right there with you

I am a walking billboard for Randi Rhodes' mandate.

*sigh* WHAT, pray tell, is a mocha person supposed to do?

;-)

[Fenris]

16. White people aren't all right wing, you know.

Some people have different opinions.

[alwynsw]

17. This "white" boy is offended by your assumption.

Go peddle this racist horseshit elsewhere. The folks over at Freeper Rebublik should welcome your post with open arms.

[Jim Sagle]

18. You're silly.

[alexwcovington]

19. I'm whiter than Titanium Dioxide

Ok, that's a stretch. But I'm sure you get the point.

[AspenRose]

87. Comedian Billy Connolly once said he was so white he was actually

pale blue. ("Pale Blue Scottish Person")

;-)

[Bertha Venation]

20. What does it matter?

I'm not white, btw. I'm pink, peach and tan. ;)

Honestly, what does it matter what "color" war criminals are?

[fdr_hst_fan]

28. True-

look at Idi Amin!

[alwynsw]

36. THREAD HIJACK IN PROGRESS!

Hi BV! Long tome, no see. I've been gone. 63 days and over 10,000 miles. Long, tiring, and wonderful trip.

[Bertha Venation]

40. Hey, al!

How's it going? I'm glad you had a great trip! Are you back, or on "wifi" (is that what it's called?)?

[alwynsw]

74. Back for now.

Cruising in August and Dec. disneyworld in Oct. Belize in Sept. (gotta be there in the heart of hurricane season, dontchaknow!

[Terran]

22. Oh jesus people, it's joke

Substitute Black for White and Democrat for Republican, and you have a very weird thread started here a few days ago. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go find and link it. Trust me.

[DrWeird]

23. Twas on the same page when I started this thread.

Hmmmm.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

69. Do you really expect people to get the joke?

It's one thing to make copycat threads over things like Matcom or other non-extremely sensitive subjects (ie racism). IF you don't see the thread it's copycatting, how in the world would you know this was a joke and not someone that's ignorant?

[Terran]

81. I'm sorry.

I am a swine. I should be punished.

I expect people to get that it's a joke because it ludicrous. Nobody at DU would seriously post such a thing. Plus the thread in question was just on the same page a short while ago.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

105. No one at DU?

Puh-lease! I've read similar statements many times, in a serious manner.

[Terran]

107. Sure you have

White people vote Republican in overwhelming numbers and yet I have a feeling that very few make it to this site.

'Very few white people make it to this site'? This, from a person with 1000+ posts? You need your sense of humor adjusted.

[Chovexani]

24. ROFL

Great post. Too bad it's sailing over the head of most.

Some of my best friends are white people! ;)

[MISSDem]

51. What does the poster mean by the question?

I guess it is sailing over my head too.

[Karenina]

67. Also some of my closest relatives

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! NAAAA, DIE DUMME!!!! :silly:

[SilasSoule]

25. Where do Hispanics fall

White or non-white???

[Razorback]

37. Where do Hispanics fall"

Wherever they trip! Really, They don't fall into either category as they are the largest minority in america, possibly to be the majority someday. We may be asking the same question of whites or blacks someday.

[Bucky]

52. I once saw a Hispanic fall down a flight of steps. It was so sad

But he wasn't white. He was black and blue.

[westsidexview]

26. i have never meet a "white" person

race is a concept from the past. there are only humans. race is a myth.

[shraby]

31. I'm white and

my family has been here since the mid 1600s, and my husband is also white and his family has been here since the mid 1600s. Too bad they let the Bushes and Cheneys into the country!

[Delano]

32. I'd bet this board is majority white.

I could be wrong, but I'll do a poll!

[IronLionZion]

92. This board is overwhelmingly white

liberals who take minority votes for granted are naive to the bleeding extreme. It's kind of amusing actually since a lot of Arabs, Hispanics, Asians(my people) vote Republican.

[Delano]

94. Liberal values should be those that benefit ALL...

That would be a good litmus test, IMO...

[madrchsod]

33. well i guess you

could say i`m white but since the sun is out now i`m trying tan..yes it`s white youth but i bet there`s some non whites out there in the field tht are just as bad..it`s not just the white people who are thugs it`s all colors....

[noiretextatique]

38. this should be posted on that other site eom

[DrWeird]

41. LOL

nt

[tom_paine]

46. Nonsense. Plenty of all races, creeds, colors, and religions here

As befots Free America, fighting to save itself from Imperial Tyranny.

[NoPasaran]

47. I'm white but my name ends in a vowel

So to some extent that disqualifies me.

[Bucky]

50. I'm saddened & embarrassed. These people don't represent all whites

Please do not form your opinions about people of light color based on the criminal behavior of a few whites, like Pfc. Lyndsie England, Donald Rumsfeld, or Michael Milkin. Remember than many good decent white people live in this country, but just never make it on the news. For example, did you know that both Benjamin Franklin and God were white?

[Catherine Vincent]

66. "...people of light color..."

That's cute! As opposed to people of color. I like that.

[IronLionZion]

95. So God is white eh?

Have you seen him? and how do you know God isn't a woman or an Arab?


Well, if someone from the middle east can be the blond-haried blue-eyed Jesus I keep seeing in European and American paintings.

This painting must really boil your blood:


If you were joking, then I am too. :hi:

[Forkboy]

102. God isn't any color

because he doesn't exist.

[laruemtt]

55. i'm actually olive

but i get really tan in the summer just walking around.

[IronLionZion]

96. green eh?

don't vote for Nader

[Forkboy]

56. hehe

:spank: You're bad good Dr...that's why I like ya! :)

[Catherine Vincent]

60. *chuckle*

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

65. Dude was goofing on an earlier thread about "are there blacks here"

that read much the same way as this post. Perhaps it would've been better received in the Lounge, where everyone is drunk anyway...

Read the old thread and, uh, enjoy...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1862671

[IronLionZion]

98. I'm drunk as a fucking skunk and I'm still here

I don't know if i can make it to the lounge without stumbling

[mmonk]

84. Well

I'm a human being that happens to be white. I'm a white person that happens to be a Democrat (real one as opposed to Zell Miller).

[mmonk]

86. and one of the things that is interesting

is that on a message board, you can't tell the race of the other people except the ones you've met. Any restraint some may feel on voicing their feelings and internal character due to race is hopefully erased (as it should be if society was color blind).

[noiretextatique]

100. whites and blacks talk about race differently, in general

there is someone in this thread, for example, who is using the code language of a prototypical "angry white man." i doubt this person is black.

[GinaMaria]

93. Severe lack of melanin here

I turn lobster red if I even think about the sun.

[IronLionZion]

101. OK Dr. Sharpton

you must have forgotten the black soldiers who were abusing Iraqis and shooting at their feet and whatnot.

Then you conveniently forget Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini, Muamar Ghadafi, Suharto, and so many other very dark war criminals.



/sarcasm on/

And you think there are white people at a political message board on the Internet? You must be mad! We're all Blue or Green! Silly rabbit.

[defoliate_bush]

103. soy blanco

Unfortunately. We white people are rythmically challenged.

[Tsiyu]

106. Back to the original question

Cut to the chase?

There is racism in the military just as rampant as in any large "organization." According to someone home from Iraq, the prison jobs are cushy. To do the bidding of the leaders (Ashcroft, Rummy and Bush - those Compassionate Christians!) one would probably be inclined to kissing up to the powerful or would have already been singled out as one who could "keep the secret." Does this have any bearing? Dunno. But Their Leaders are white-hate mongers so this may be why the abusers are more white. These may be some of that segment of totally screwed up white people ( not to be confused with the segments of totally screwed up black, yellow, beige, mocha or red people )

[mellowinman]

108. This thread is a parody

of a thread I didn't like much that asked if there were any Black people here, and then said some bullshit about Black people being involved in Youth Gangs.

Its funny in a sick kind of way.

That other thread was way disturbing, and most of the posters on it said it wasn't.

So this thread is supposed to be kind of a sick statement of some kind, and frankly, I kind of like it.

I'm white, and I think most white people are racists. I'm not afraid to say it.

Maybe people of other colors are racists too, but they don't clue me in. White people often come up to me and tell me about their racism, and sometimes they tell me racist jokes.

They think because I'm white, I'm "in on it."

I most certainly am NOT.

So if you're incensed about what this thread says, go find the "Is anybody here Black" thread, and get pissed off about that one too, OK?

OK.

[libertad]

114. It probably has more to do with the area the unit is from (some

communities in areas like West Virginia or Iowa or someplace like that have very few non-white residents). The guards were all from the same unit, I believe.

[Maestro]

116. I'm white.

I think you are wrong. I have a feeling there are plenty of angry white people here. And I am from Texas to boot.

[porphyrian]

120. "Where all the white women be at?"

- Cleavon Little as Sheriff Bart, Blazing Saddles

[kiahzero]

124. Um... I'm a white young male

Is that allowed? :eyes: