Canadian Election Results!

[GirlinContempt]

If anyones interested, the Canadian election results are coming in!
Atlantic Canada is done, and Quebec's staring...

Right now its sitting at:
Liberal - 35
Conservative - 9
NDP - 7 :cry:
Block Quebecois - 1
OTHER - 1

I'll keep you all updated...

P.S.

Liberal in Canada does NOT have the same meaning as it does in the US.


I miss the Marxist! BRING HIM BACK!

[HEyHEY]

1. JESUS CHRIST!

The CONS got seats out east? Looks like Harper's little plan may have worked

[GirlinContempt]

3. The Cons always get seats in the east.. its a given... the NDP lost one

to the liberals tho :(

[HEyHEY]

4. I'm talking Reform/Alliance kinda cons - not the tory kind of cons

[GirlinContempt]

5. Its the New Con. party. And yeah, they got the seats they always got.

[ironflange]

6. Check this out

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/06/28/canada/elxn_polls_close040628

Conservatards lose 11% from last election (combined Alliance/PC)

[sniffa]

2. thanks - pLease keep us updated

:D

[readmylips]

7. Which ones are the good guys....democrats equavalent?

sorry, don't understand Canadian politics but I do want people elected who will be against bush.

[GirlinContempt]

8. Well, basically....

I would say the NDP are what the Dems in the US *should* be
The liberals are just wishywashy. They're smack dab in the center, willing to sway either left or right as public opinion or economic pressure dictates.

[AntiCoup2K4]

83. So Canadian Liberals are like the DLC?

Well, then that sucks, I guess.... but it could suck worse.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

184. Took the words right out of my mouth.

It sucks..."but it could suck worse."

And there it is...perpetually.

[regnaD kciN]

218. So, in other words...

I would say the NDP are what the Dems in the US *should* be
The liberals are just wishywashy. They're smack dab in the center, willing to sway either left or right as public opinion or economic pressure dictates.

...what you're saying is that the NDP is what the Democrats should be, while the Liberal Party is what the Democrats are?

:grr:

[AspenRose]

9. Basic, basic primer from an American who can't keep up

There used to be the Tories, which were right of center, and the Liberals, who are left of center.

There is now a new conservative alliance, combined from the PC's (Tories) and the Reform Party/Canadian Alliance (which were further right of the Tories *shudder* memories of Presto! Manning).

The NDP is to the left of the Liberals.

And the BQ is the Bloc Quebecois.

Alberta and Saskatchewan are usually a conservative stronghold.
Ontario is usually a liberal stronghold.
The BQ, well....self-explanatory.
NDP usually has a strong following in British Columbia.

Canadian politics is based on the Westminster model - meaning, the leader of the party that gets the most representation (seats in parliament) is the PM.

Gee, I hope reading my Macleans subscription paid off! ;-)

[Sugarbleus]

89. Thanks, this helps a lot.. :-) n/t

[GirlinContempt]

10. Almost time for the Ontario votes!

[HEyHEY]

11. oooo

:scared:

[GirlinContempt]

12. MY threads better than YOOOOOOURS ;)

[HEyHEY]

16. you wish!

My thread's got jive!

[GirlinContempt]

18. lol

[Robbien]

14. Keeping my fingers crossed for you all . . .eom

[GirlinContempt]

30. Lib 55, Con 18, BC 8, NDP 9, MARXISTS 1

Holy crap, win Marxist! WIN!

[GirlinContempt]

13. NEW RESULTS

Liberal 32
Conservative 7
NDP 7
Block 1

[SidDithers]

15. L 29, C7, N5, B1

155 needed for majority

[SidDithers]

17. L 33, C7, N6, B1

155 needed for majority

[GirlinContempt]

20. L 33, C 8, NDP 6, BC 1, OTHER 1

[SidDithers]

23. Hehe, the Other is a Marxist Leninist candidate from Mississauga..

leading with 2 polls reporting

Sid

[GirlinContempt]

28. Yeah its totally awesome

[Robbien]

19. Question, how many seats did the NDP have

going into this election?

[GirlinContempt]

21. As of Feb 2003, 14 seats.. not great *sigh*

[GirlinContempt]

22. Lib 35, Con 9, NDP 7, BC 2, OTHER 1

The other is MARXIST LENINIST PARTY

[HEyHEY]

24. HA! WHERE?

[GirlinContempt]

27. From Missisagua East/Cooksville (spelling, ugh)

[GirlinContempt]

25. This is too crazy! GO MARXISTS!

[Lautremont]

26. Go Marxist-Leninists!

[SidDithers]

29. Lib 54, Con 18, NDP 9, Bloc 8, Other 1

Results will swing wildly, with only a few polls reporting in each riding.

155 needed for majority.

[SidDithers]

32. Lib 71, Con 25, NDP 11, Bloc 8

[GirlinContempt]

35. Lib 75, Con 29, NDP 14, BC 10

[SidDithers]

36. Lib 87, Con 39, Bloc 14, NDP 15

Liberals getting 43% of vote in Ontario, very early returns.

[GirlinContempt]

37. i want the marxist back! Waaaah!

[SidDithers]

40. Hehe, I used to live in Mississauga

The candidate must have a big family :)

[GirlinContempt]

42. LOL

If I marxist won ANY riding, my faith in humanity would be restored.

[SidDithers]

39. Lib 100, Con 42, Bloc 17, NDP 17

Leading and elected, early returns

155 needed for majority.

[TexasSissy]

31. This is still good, though, right? Better than the other choices,

except for NDP, I gather? Conservative & BQ being the bad guys?

[GirlinContempt]

33. I consider liberals bad guys too... but they're better than the tories

[Newsjock]

34. Conservatives lead in HALIBURTON!

(Ontario) Honest! Makes my night.

[GirlinContempt]

38. hahaha funny

[StandUpGuy]

59. Saw a t-shirt today at Good Will

The Sun always shines on

Haliburton

[GirlinContempt]

41. Lib 106, Con 46, BC 21, NDP 17

[K8-EEE]

43. Freeper On The Candadian Election

Typical intellegent response:

"Who gives a flying RIP!
They only have a population of about 30 million and are about as important internationally as French Frogland.

Canada is basically a 3rd worls country that's a protectorate of the United States.

Cna you imagine what kind of physcal shape Socialist Canada would be if they had to actually defend themselves?"

His signature has a list of "pro-abortion Catholics" who should be ex-communicated, guess what, Guliani & Schwartzeneggar aren't on it. Speaking as a pro-choice Catholic he can go Cheney himself!

[GirlinContempt]

48. What a fucking idiot

[K8-EEE]

72. I'm Thinking Of Sending My Daughter To School In BC

Because even the tuition for out of country students is so reasonable (about what I pay for private high school here in L.A.) and the quality of the education is so good.

I really have a lot of respect for your country, I'm sure most Americans do. If I wasn't such a weather wimp (born & raised in L.A.) I'd be really tempted to move up there with her!

[GirlinContempt]

76. Move to a part of the country like southern BC without the insane winter

[Politicub]

79. OMG - they are so stupid

I'm laughing my ass off at the freeper post.

Thanks to the poster earlier for the crash course in Canadian politics!

:bounce:

[SidDithers]

44. Lib 110, Con 45, Bloc 26, NDP 18

Alberta and BC still to come

[HEyHEY]

45. You mean the Con Landslide country?

DO me a favour. Check out to see how Robert Schuster is doing, I'm at work.

[SidDithers]

46. which riding?

[HEyHEY]

50. Southern Interior British Columbia

[SidDithers]

66. Nothing reported so far

I'll post if anything comes in

[SidDithers]

114. Robert Schuster early results

Main » Candidates & Ridings » British Columbia » 295 Southern Interior
DISTRICT: Southern Interior
Candidate Party Vote Count Vote Share Elected
Jim Gouk CON 203 34.76%
Alex Atamanenko NDP 167 28.6%
Doug Stanley LIB 111 19.01%
Scott Leyland GRN 92 15.75%
Karine Cyr MP 7 1.2%
Robert Schuster IND 4 0.68%
Farlie Paynter CAP 0 0%
Brian Sproule ML 0 0%
Last Update: June 28, 10:50:51 PM EDT 4 of 208 polls reporting

Sorry for the spacing

[HEyHEY]

120. It just confirms my faith in the stupidity of voters

Robert was the best thing that has run in this country for a long time. Nobody listened to a word he said and voted in the typical predictable way.

[Spazito]

121. Hey, I voted for the NDP and he is giving Gouk a run for his money...

and I normally vote Liberal. I would LOVE the NDP to take this riding from the faux Conservatives.

Edited to add: Holy crap, the NDP candidate just took the lead over Gouk! Don't know how long it will last but it sure looks good for as long as it does last.

[HEyHEY]

137. SERIOUS!

Yeah, shit man I forgot you were in my riding....what do you think of Schuster?

[Spazito]

152. I thought he was a good guy but I wanted to vote for the candidate that

could take out Gouk, if there was one and Atamenanko is giving him a run for his money, he is still ahead!

[ironflange]

47. Big winner so far:

The Marxist-Leninist Party. This election has been successful beyond their wildest dreams.

[HEyHEY]

52. Well, we have yet to see how the rhinos did in the yukon

[ironflange]

56. I don't think they'll lead in that riding

Let alone for 10 whole minutes.

[HEyHEY]

58. Yee have little faith!

Don't you wanna see a polar bear fight a lion? I bet they do up therE!

[ironflange]

73. I used to vote Rhino all the time

Until they raised the deposit to $1000. So much for that. Of course, voting Liberal in Calgary is just as crazy.

[GirlinContempt]

49. Ok, so, we're totally fucked

Another liberal majority is on the horizion

Shit shit shit :grr:

[GirlinContempt]

51. SHIT AGAIN

Layton is behind like, almost 200 votes in his own riding.
FUCK.

[bushwakker]

62. He strikes me as a shyster

Not to offend. I was recently in Montreal and watched quite a bit of election ceverage. He seemed a little slimy.

[GirlinContempt]

67. If by slimy you mean

well informed, a pointed speaker, passionate about politics, and puts his money where his mouth is, then sure, he's slimy

[bushwakker]

220. Maybe it's just his style that puts me off

I admit I have a certain bias. I'm a liberal, but above all a pragmatist. My first goal is always to keep conservatives out of power. I see ridings in Canada where the cenetr/left gets many more votes than the Cons - yet the Cons take the seat. We've found out here in the US what happens when the left splits itself up. Open up your newspaper and see the world chaos that resulted from our Democrats not being "progressive" enough for some liberals.

[GirlinContempt]

223. Except that our system works totally differently

And what happens in your country, doesn't happen here. The liberals aren't a center left, they're a center center. As long as the NDP and the Liberals can make up a majority of power, its good. In fact, its BETTER having a minority government, collating with the NDP. REAL change is possible then instead of stagnant nothingness... Unfortunately the greens screwed us out of that ONE seat we needed

[SidDithers]

55. I'd bet money it won't be a majority

But if Liberal and NDP is >155, that's a very good thing.

[GirlinContempt]

57. I really want the liberals to hold a minority government

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[Longhorn]

65. I wish I could understand what y'all are talking about!

Could you "splain" for this ignorant Texan?

I took a British government class years ago and I'm afraid that's as far as my knowledge of parliaments go.

How would a liberal minority work compared to a liberal majority or liberal coalition majority? Thanks! :D

[bhunt70]

68. I'd like to know also.

How could the current pm be the pm as part of the liberal minority. wouldn't the majority person be the new pm?

[arcos]

70. that would happen if he gets a plurality...

that is, the one with most seats but less than 50%. More than 50% would be a majority... if no one gets a majority, the one who wins the plurality gets to negotiate and form a coalition with another party.

[GirlinContempt]

71. You need 151 seats for a majority

if no party makes up a majority, the closest to that number forms a minority, but needs external approval to actually do anything, as they don't have 151 seats of approval.
Make sense?

[SidDithers]

87. 155 for majority, 308 total seats

Now, we need Liberal + NDP to be 155.

That way, the government can work without the Bloc ore Conservatives.

[GirlinContempt]

90. My bad, thanks :)

[GirlinContempt]

69. Basically

Basically if the LIberals get a majority again, nothing will change, and their government will be formed of all liberals.
If they have a minority, they basically join together with the party closest to their politics (NDP!!!) and get their approval for almost everything they try to do, as they don't have enough seats to do it on their own.

[Robbien]

77. So we should be hoping that liberals get more ridings than conservatives

but less than 151 total?

[GirlinContempt]

80. Yes. But also hoping the NDP take as MUCH as they can

The Cons will NOT get a majority, so I'd rather see the NDP take those seats than the liberals, so that they liberals have more to work with in creating a coalition.

[SidDithers]

81. Think of your House of Reps if you had 4 parties...

Instead of a directly elected leader, our Prime Minister is usually the leader of the party holding the most seats in our House of Commons. If their party gets more than half the seats, they form a majority government. If they get the most seats, but fewer than half of the total, they form a minority government, and they need votes from the other parties to pass legislation. If the other 3 parties all voted together, they would have more votes combined than the governing party, and could cause the government to fall on a vote of non-confidence, in which case, we go back to the polls and have another election.

Sid

[SidDithers]

53. Bit more detail from CBC

News
Overall Election Results
Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
LIB 25 83 108 42.40%
CON 15 36 51 29.70%
BQ 4 33 37 2.54%
NDP 5 14 19 21.53%
OTH 0 0 0 3.83%
Last Update: June 28, 10:03:14 PM EDT 308 seats
Click the Refresh Results button to update the election results.

[GirlinContempt]

54. Liberal 111, Con 66, BC 45, NDP 18

[SidDithers]

60. Green candidate leading somewhere...

Vancouver Island North, very early

[GirlinContempt]

61. BC

[SidDithers]

63. Update

News
Overall Election Results
Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
LIB 45 77 122 41.09%
CON 28 42 70 29.67%
BQ 21 31 52 4.84%
NDP 8 11 19 20.20%
GRN 0 1 1 3.48%
OTH 0 0 0 .72%
Last Update: June 28, 10:12:26 PM EDT 308 seats

Sorry for the spacing :)

[GirlinContempt]

64. Lib 122, Con 71, BC 55, NDP 18

[SidDithers]

74. CBC calls Liberal Minority

just announced.

[democracy eh]

82. whew!

how do you spell relief

thank you Canada
but what a mess come Tueday, many Lib Martin buddies got a the boot

come on Jack, win that seat

[Spazito]

75. Global TV is predicting a Liberal minority...

and said they could have a strong government if they can work with the NDP! Good news, imo!!

[GirlinContempt]

78. YAY LIBERAL MINORITY

Now, NDP! Get more seats! GO GO GO!

[Sugarbleus]

84. 'Splain it then...what is the difference between our liberal

and your liberal....and the NDP

Enquiring minds want to know... Good Luck Canada! :thumbsup:

[HEyHEY]

86. Our libs are like your Dems

Our NDP is like Ralph Nader

[GirlinContempt]

91. Ralph Nader? EW NO

We HAVE a green party, as you well know.

NDP are democratic socialists. NO comparison. What. So. Ever.

[HEyHEY]

94. I disagree

I think Nader has a lot of things in common with the NDP

[GirlinContempt]

101. Such as?

[HEyHEY]

108. A strong anti-corporate attitude

And niether having a chance in hell at winning

[GirlinContempt]

117. The NDP would have a MUCH better chance

if Quebec would just seperate already

[Robbien]

95. Isn't your NDP more like what the US democratic party was

before the DLC bought it?

[Spazito]

Yes, I would agree with that...

I see our Liberal party very much like the centrist party that the Democratic party is now.

[GirlinContempt]

103. Except socialist

[GirlinContempt]

88. Well...

Liberals are politically central. They sway left or right, but aren't really 'liberal' in the terms that most people would use the word out side of Canada. They aren't overly Conservative, but they aren't overly left-leaning either. The NDP are very leftist.

I don't think our liberal and your liberal are really all that different, just that we have another left alternative.

[HEyHEY]

85. Anyone else spooked at the BQ getting more seats?

[Spazito]

92. Nah, I remember when they were the official opposition, it was very

weird. I knew they were going to increase their seats. What would blow my mind is if they ever actually ran a candidate outside of Quebec, lol.

[bhunt70]

104. whats wrong with the BQ?

[HEyHEY]

115. Are you serious?

Their entire mandate is to break the country in half. I shouldn't talk, I voted for them last election. I was living in Trois Rivereis and no other party had a hope...so I figured. WHy not vote for the Bloc, I'll never have another chance!

[democracy eh]

93. interesting

many of the former Harris Conservative Cabinet Ministers that ran for the Federal Cons are not getting elected...

whoops I meant not getting elected

[GirlinContempt]

97. Icky

[SidDithers]

96. Layton trailing in his riding

Alexa McDonough and Ed Broadbent both leading...

Peter Mansbridge says "wouldn't it be strange if the NDP has 2 former leaders elected, but it's current leader loses"

[SidDithers]

98. Layton now taken the lead...

Whew

[GirlinContempt]

99. JACK LAYTON TOOK THE LEAD!

[SidDithers]

100. Update

Overall Election Results
Party Elected Leading Total Vote Share
LIB 108 23 131 39.18%
CON 62 24 86 29.34%
BQ 49 3 52 9.56%
NDP 14 7 21 17.06%
OTH 0 0 0 4.87%
Last Update: June 28, 10:37:31 PM EDT 308 seats

[Cheswick2.0]

105. Okay so who is the Liberal Leader?

Or is that also decided with this election? In other words, who will most likely be the PM?

[SidDithers]

106. Paul Martin, the current PM

is the Liberal leader, and will remain PM.

He will have to work closely with the NDP, a party to the left of the Liberals, in order to stay in government.

[Cheswick2.0]

110. sounds like a good plan to me

Thanks you all, for sharing this election night with us.

[HEyHEY]

109. We have this stupid little thing here about not being able to vote for our

Leader. His party votes for him, we vote for the party - it's annoying

[Cheswick2.0]

112. ahhhh, yes that would annoy me

So when do they vote for their leader? Is it before or after the election? Or might they spring a new leader on you, for instance instead of the current PM, could they chose a new PM after todays election?

[HEyHEY]

116. They can do that

It's kinda spooky!

[yvr girl]

168. Yes, but it isn't likely

Switching leaders after an election would signal that there is a great divide in the party. They usually only elect a new leader if the current one retires.

Two scenarios:

A leader has a terrible result in a general election, and his caucus looses faith in him. He will feel pressure to step down before the next election.

A leader genuinely retires. Our last PM retired after 10-11 years in power. (There was some pressure from within the party for him to hurry up and retire already, but he was not forced out.) When a leader announces that he is going to retire, the party will hold a leadership convention. Members of the party run for the leadership. The winner becomes the leader of the party, and if that party is in power the prime minister.

You do not need to be a member of parliament to run for the leadership of the party. It is possible to be PM without even holding a seat in the house. If a new leader does not have a seat, a MP from a safe riding will give up their seat, and the new leader will run there in a by-election. This MP will naturally be rewarded with some cushy post somewhere.

[GirlinContempt]

I prefer our system...

[SidDithers]

102. Liberal + NDP = 157 seats right now

This is the best possible result, as far as I'm concerned. This gives the NDP huge power in the next government.

[mom cat]

107. And then Australia, UK, and USA...(Dean Scream!!!!)

[Spazito]

119. Totally agree, having to form a coalition with the NDP will force the

Liberals to the left and that is good news!

[GirlinContempt]

124. Yes.

[Liberalboy]

111. Watching the results on the Internet...

I figure if I end up moving to Canada I better start watching the politics :-)

NDP+Liberals now have a 163 majority.....yeah for NDP!!! Sounds like they picked up a lot of seats

[Liberalboy]

122. So in Canada Red Provinces=Blue States in USA?

How weird as far color assignments around the world.

GO NDP!!!! I like Orange better :-)

[Junkdrawer]

113. Question: If Martin is a fiscal conservative, would he reach across...

to the more "liberal" conservatives to form a coalition?

[Robbien]

118. I was wondering the same thing

Very interested in the answer

[GirlinContempt]

123. Its hard to say.... .... ....

But they'd be insane not to.

[Spazito]

125. No, it is far more likely they will try to form a coalition with the NDP..

because their social philosophies are closer than the Conservatives would be, they are natural "enemies" and the Liberals will do nothing that would make the Conservatives look good for when we end up back at the polls in a year or two at most.

[Junkdrawer]

128. I know nothing about Canadian politics, but I'd guess...

it might be issue by issue and if the cost of a coalition to the left on a given issue is too high, he might turn to the right for support.

[ironflange]

129. No coalition

They will have all sorts of fun co-operating in Parliament, though. We may not get another election for 2 or 3 years now.

[SidDithers]

127. Possible...

The Conservatives are a merged party, formed from the Progressive Conservatives, a centre-right party, and the Reform/Alliance, a more stridently right party. The merger was not a happy one, with many of the "liberal" conservatives from the PC side of the merger bolting the party, some of them joining the Liberals. So, there aren't many "liberal" conservatives left in the Conservative party.

A more likely result is that Mr. Martin will have to reach across to the NDP either on a vote-by-vote basis, or to form a true coalition government. This is good, because it pulls the Liberals left and gives the NDP a BIG voice in parliament, much bigger than 26 or so seats would normally have given them.

As background, and a bit simply, if a government loses a vote in parliament, then the government falls and it's time for another election.

Sid

[TrogL]

225. The wacky world of Canadian politics

Martin is a fiscal conservative and theoretically socially liberal (this needs to be put to the test). This makes Martin a good Liberal.

The NDPers are socially liberal and fiscally liberal. This can be a Bad Thing as unchecked it can lead to deficits. However, if they're running in coalition with the Liberals then their social liberalism is an asset and the Liberals will keep their fiscal liberalism in check.

The defunct Progressive Conservative party was socially all over the damn place, fiscally conservative when it came to liberal things but free-spending liberals when it came to their pet projects. They were also found to be corrupt as all hell, which led to their downfall. The Liberals should have learned a lesson but didn't.

Running parallel to this was the Reform party which was right-wing socially and never formed a government so we don't know fiscally. That fell apart, spawning the CRAP party which quickly changed its name to the Alliance party, which was simply more of the same under a different name. Then somebody got the bright idea of trying to merge the (whatever they're called this week) party and the dregs of the Progressive Conservatives. In a catfight of a leadership review (during which one contestant was called "an NDPer who calls himself a Conservative for reasons known only to himself and his psychiatrist") the right-winger's triumphed. Joe Clark (former Conservative Prime Minister) left in a huff and eventually started stumping for the Liberals. :wtf: They're called the New Conservative Party (I think - I dunno, I've given up trying to keep track).

Add into the mix liberal Conservatives, conservative Liberals, the Bloc Quebcois (don't get me started), the Communists (Marxists?), the Marijuana Party (I'm going to try and get Ahknaten to run next time - I'll be policy wonk), the Greens (who would probably make good NDPers, Communists or Stoners if they'd just read) and a variety of smaller, wacko left and right parties you can imagine the kinds of headaches people who live this full-time get, nevermind those who just pay attention during elections (if then).

[wyethwire]

126. Why are the Liberals called "Grits"?

it seems to be their nickname

[SidDithers]

136. Liberals were a merger of the Reform Party and Clear Grits party

in 1857. Not sure why it's carried on like it has, but i think that's where it originated.

Sid

[Robbien]

130. The NDP picking up 25 ridings, is that more or less than

one could have reasonably hoped?

[arcos]

132. they have 14 right now...

so it is a very strong showing no matter what.

[GirlinContempt]

133. That is a good result. Less than we hoped for, but still a good showing.

[ironflange]

131. Gilles Duceppe has just declared a "great victory"

*snort*

What's more, he's given much of the credit to asshat Jacques Parizeau. Is he still alive?

[HEyHEY]

138. WHy cause someone actually thought he was GIlles Duceppe

And not Norm Macdonald?

[ironflange]

153. Whatever

That's one guy who needs a pie in the face, or an assault from Marg Delahanty. He needs to loosen up a little.

[GirlinContempt]

134. Lib 136, Con 94, BC 55, NDP 22, Other 1

[JohnLocke]

135. LIB 136 CON 93 BQ 55 NDP 23 NA 1

[GirlinContempt]

139. LAYTON DECLARED WINNER IN HIS RIDING!!!!!

[Robbien]

141. Yay! Yay! Yay!

Doing a Snoopy Happy Dance for you. (And for non-conservatives everywhere)

[GirlinContempt]

142. SO effing imporant that he won!!!!!

[GirlinContempt]

140. NDP at 23! Come on NDP!

[Robbien]

143. With the last leanings NDP is back at 25. Yay!

Here is hope that it stays this time.

[GirlinContempt]

145. 24 now

[GirlinContempt]

150. 21... All I have to say right now is... effing greens

[Robbien]

154. But you gotta admit this headline "Layton puts Martin on notice"

http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/

does make one smile.

[GirlinContempt]

156. Admittedly amazing:)

[HEyHEY]

144. Is Alex Atamanenko still ahead in Southern Interior?

[GirlinContempt]

147. Wheres that?

[HEyHEY]

148. BC

[GirlinContempt]

149. here ya go

Alex Atamanenko NDP 7688 36.93%
Jim Gouk CON 7100 34.1%
Doug Stanley LIB 3751 18.02%
Scott Leyland GRN 1816 8.72%
Karine Cyr MP 215 1.03%
Robert Schuster IND 183 0.88%
Farlie Paynter CAP 46 0.22%
Brian Sproule ML 20 0.1%

[HEyHEY]

151. ACK! Go ALEX!

Knock that cocky motha fucka Gouk out!

[GirlinContempt]

155. Grrr!

Jim Gouk CON 10869 36.15%
Alex Atamanenko NDP 10463 34.8%
Doug Stanley LIB 5478 18.22%
Scott Leyland GRN 2518 8.37%
Robert Schuster IND 358 1.19%
Karine Cyr MP 296 0.98%
Farlie Paynter CAP 59 0.2%
Brian Sproule ML 27 0.09%

[HEyHEY]

159. Is that the final tally?

[GirlinContempt]

162. Nope

Jim Gouk CON 13221 36.44%
Alex Atamanenko NDP 12733 35.09%
Doug Stanley LIB 6604 18.2%
Scott Leyland GRN 2820 7.77%
Robert Schuster IND 462 1.27%
Karine Cyr MP 353 0.97%
Farlie Paynter CAP 64 0.18%
Brian Sproule ML 29 0.08%

Last Update: June 29, 12:27:57 AM EDT 170 of 208 polls reporting

[HEyHEY]

164. COME ON ALEX!

[GirlinContempt]

167. Yes, please Alex!

[GirlinContempt]

171. Oh no :(

Jim Gouk CON 14177 36.76%
Alex Atamanenko NDP 13435 34.84%
Doug Stanley LIB 7030 18.23%
Scott Leyland GRN 2944 7.63%
Robert Schuster IND 508 1.32%
Karine Cyr MP 369 0.96%
Farlie Paynter CAP 68 0.18%
Brian Sproule ML 31 0.08%

Last Update: June 29, 12:34:38 AM EDT 180 of 208 polls reporting

[HEyHEY]

174. That lousy SOB Gouk won

Now I have to phone him....yuck.

[GirlinContempt]

176. Are you sure?

According to CBC only 185 polls have reported in

[HEyHEY]

177. My boss just called

she said the polls were close, I called Gouk and he was busy giving his speech and I'm waiting for him to call.

WHAT QUESTIONS SHOULD I ASK?

[GirlinContempt]

179. FUCK... ask

Why are you such a slimy shit?
Aren't you happy the greens took the NDP's winning 7%?
What grovelling plans to you have for Ottawa?

[HEyHEY]

180. I will be asking him

What he thinks it says about the people's faith in him when as an incumbent he only wins by 600 votes.

[GirlinContempt]

181. Askhim about the slimyness... please... ;)

At least ask him what role he thinks his mismash party will have in the clearly defined liberal-ndp house

[HEyHEY]

182. My boss was wrong

He's been declared the winner, but the results aren't ALL in yet.

He gave alot of credit to alex and said "he worked the union vote hard"

[GirlinContempt]

185. NDP is down to 20 seats *sigh*

JUST a majority with the liberals... shit

I really hope those last couple of polls are all NDP in that riding...

Wait, back up to 21

[Spazito]

188. Looks like it will end with only an eight hundred vote spread...

Alex put up one hell of a fight!

[GirlinContempt]

202. That riding still only has 197/208 polls reporting... wtf?

[Spazito]

183. Ask him why he thinks the race was so close?

*

[HEyHEY]

189. I did, he said Alex did a good job of working the Union vote

And that he came out hard and ran a good race.

Funny, I thought it was because Gouk sucks and enough people were almost sick of him.

[Spazito]

192. LOL, I vouch for that too, people are tired of him, he hasn't done much...

bad or good, he is just kind of there spouting the party line. Well, damn, I thought we might have booted his ass out but at least we came damn close, a warning shot across his bow for the next time!

[Spazito]

169. He is behind but not much, it is neck and neck so far!

*

Edited to add:

Canadian Action Farlie Paynter 69 0.2
Conservative Jim Gouk 14,406 36.6
Green Party Scott Leyland 3,006 7.6
Independent Robert Schuster 521 1.3
Liberal Doug Stanley 7,167 18.2
Marijuana Party Karine Cyr 372 0.9
Marxist-Leninist Brian Sproule 32 0.1
N.D.P. Alex Atamanenko 13,758 35.0
Total number of valid votes: 39,331


25 polls left to report

[democracy eh]

146. so do you think the Conservative Party infighting has begun yet?

after all, this is a party created to beat the libs and end vote splitting... the MYTH of vote splitting. can it survive 4 years?

Ontario Conservatives blaming the western social conservatives?
Harper not being able to control Klein?
Randy White being fed to the wolves?
Peter Mackay being targeted for not winning the East?
Will Harper's rivals like Clement turn on him? look at what they did to Stockwell Day.
will the "Progressive" Conservatives flee?

will be fun to watch

[ironflange]

157. I'm watching Harper's speech

Two weeks ago, he predicted a Conservative majority. He just proclaimed a victory in that the Liberals didn't get a majority.

Pretty soon, we can enjoy the old Reform wackos coming out with crazy statements, and can rejoice in the fact that they're not on the government side.

[GirlinContempt]

158. Yeah

I knew they wouldn't win

[Robbien]

161. As long as the NDP and the Liberals are in the driver's seat

It will be fun to watch them spin.

The Losers they are. Big Losers.

[ironflange]

160. Here's the funniest thing to happen tonite

Belinda Stronach won! She ran only so she could get a cabinet seat, she is going to be so damn miserable in opposition. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I give her 18 months, tops.

[Bush_Sucks]

163. Can you explain why this is signifignant?

Sorry, haven't followed this thing about Belinda.

[ironflange]

172. OK, I'll try

She ran against Harper for the leadership of the Conservative Party a few months ago, came in second despite being a political neophyte. As I said, she was a shoo-in for a cabinet post if they won, but she is the type who will not enjoy being an opposition drone. No glamour in that. Now that I think of it, she may have done better as a leader than Harper, she's from Ontario, after all. I don't know if she has the patience to wait until Harper faces the long knives, but she's young and she'll probably be back.

It's all kinda complicated, it helps a lot to live here.

[amjsjc]

165. How are seats apportioned?

Out of curiosity (yes, this is a stupid American question...) How are seats divvied out in Canada? Do you folks use Proportional Representation, or Parliamentary Districts, or some kind of combination of the two?

[GirlinContempt]

166. Oh god how I wish we used Proportional Representation

[Bush_Sucks]

173. I live in Canada..

I just haven't been following the inner politics of the Conservative party that much lately.

[GirlinContempt]

178. here

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/idb/forsey/index-e.asp

[yvr girl]

187. We have ridings - similar to congressional districts

Just imagine that you didn't vote for president. Imagine that the party that had the most seats in congress automatically got the white house.

Canada is a very regionalized country with a huge population imbalance geographically. Quebec and Ontario send 58% of th mp's to parliament. Ontario has 1/3 of the seats.

The Bloc has 54 mp's out of 308 seat house. They only ran in one province.

[GirlinContempt]

190. I hate that aspect of our system

I'm rooting for Laytons supposed support of proportional representation

[amjsjc]

200. Don't worry...

We're not QUITE that uneducated down south...

I know perfectly well what a parliamentary system is (and that Canada is one) I simply don't know wether you use a Proportional Representation system or a First Past the Post System... Thanks again, and welcome to DU, of course...

[Zorra]

170. Good luck, y'all, wishing you the best.

Lots of friends in Canada. Great folks.

[ironflange]

175. Paul Martin speaking now

Boy, does he look relieved.

When will he say, "Thank you, Randy White!"

[Minstrel Boy]

186. We got really screwed on the vote breaks.

Our seat count doesn't reflect our popular vote. Lost a lot of close races. A lot of good people defeated.

Moral victories suck. :-(

Just returned from Jack's victory party. Thank God he beat Mills, but poor Olivia. Never expected her to lose.

[GirlinContempt]

191. Proportional rep. is where its at....

Apparently Jack is all about that, too...

[Minstrel Boy]

194. Yeah. I just can't see Martin signing onto that.

Prop rep would have cut a couple of dozen seats from the Liberals tonight.

He's in a pretty strong position for a minority leader. He doesn't need to put all his eggs into the NDP basket, which would mean taking on Jack's bottom line of prop rep. Martin can try to find support from any of the three opposition parties on a case by case basis.

[GirlinContempt]

197. Yes

However he'll also face no confidence in many cases if he isn't careful

[StandUpGuy]

193. has Olivia lost ?

Election Canada site has 181 of 234 ridings with her closing the gap every poll that returns I don't think its over yet.

If the remaining polls to return are south of Dundas st. she still has a chance IMHO

Best election result in 25yrs.

Way to go NDP !!!

:yourock:

[GirlinContempt]

198. She lost

[Zorra]

195. Some questions about Canadian politics:

The NDP, I assume, is probably not going to work with the cons, and is more likely to work with the Liberals, using their clout to swing the Liberals to the left - is this true?

Are the BC more likely to side with the left or the right?

What internet website is best for Canadian news?

Thanks!

[StandUpGuy]

196. cbc is good

www.cbc.ca

[Spazito]

199. There is a more natural affinity between the Liberals and the NDP

and so it is highly likely they will work out an agreement on some of the NDP issues and Martin will probably put a few high profile NDPers in the cabinet.

The BQ will vote on what best serves Quebec and, seeing as the Conservatives are not keen on the French, they won't be too supportive of the Conservative ideas but the BQ won't take sides either.

I find the CBC site the best site for news and some of their in-depth reports. Here is the link:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/

For newspapers the Globe and Mail is pretty good. Here is there link:

http://www.globeandmail.com/

[Minstrel Boy]

201. here ya go:

The NDP, I assume, is probably not going to work with the cons, and is more likely to work with the Liberals, using their clout to swing the Liberals to the left - is this true?

True. We've done it before. And of course, the Liberals take the credit for our popular progressive initiatives, we get crushed next election and they win a majority and scurry back to the right. Hey, it's our way. At least we've seen progressive policy enacted.

Are the BC more likely to side with the left or the right?

You mean the BQ? Yes, more left. Social democratic.

What internet website is best for Canadian news?

http://www.cbc.ca
http://www.globeandmail.com/ (our "paper of record." Editorially very business-conservative, but some good columnists and journalists.)

And http://www.rabble.ca/ is kind of a Canadian DU.

[Zorra]

207. Thanks, I appreciate the info.

[GirlinContempt]

203. Bed time for this happy Canadian!

Night folks

[Minstrel Boy]

204. Time for me too, though I'm not as happy.

We deserve to have done twice as better.

Ah well. Next time.

If I weren't an optimist about some things, I guess I wouldn't be a New Democrat.

[GirlinContempt]

221. Oh my god

I woke up WAY less happy than I went to bed

GOD DAMN GREEN PARTY!!!

[Robbien]

205. Canada, You Rock

Thanks so much.

Your election was great. So nice to see there are other believers on this continent.

[Spazito]

206. Thanks!

It turned out well, thank goodness! We have a Liberal government with the NDP holding the clout to keep the government in power, it is going to be good for us, imo!

[Minstrel Boy]

208. Unfortunately I stayed up late enough to bring you this bad news:

The NDP lost the riding of New Westminster-Coquitlam to the Conservatives by 45 votes. This reduces their count to 19. This reduces the Liberal/NDP count to 154 - one less than a majority.

Therefore, a Liberal/NDP balance of power does not exist.

[Bluebear]

209. I know nothing about this.......

but just looked up the results from the Globe and Mail and noticed that too. How about that 1 "no affiliation" seat, can they join the 'coalition'?

[yvr girl]

210. Don't forget the Speaker

Chances are, that the Speaker of the House will come from the government, that drops the libs down one more seat. Also, the West Van-Sunshine Coast riding looks to be going back to the conservatives.

[Minstrel Boy]

211. That's Chuck Cadman, a disgruntled Conservative

who lost his party's nomination.

Distressing. The NDP was hurt by Martin's playing the strategic voting card in the last week and devastated by awful voting breaks, and now we're left without influence.

[AliceWonderland]

212. I watched the numbers in disbelief

When I saw the Lib/NDP numbers dip to 154, I couldn't believe something so bizarre could happen. What a night.

They're talking recounts for several ridings in BC, but who knows what will come of that.

Why do I have the feeling that we're entering into our equivalent of Florida 2000?

[Bluebear]

214. Hey what is Katherine Harris doing in B.C. this time of night?

[HEyHEY]

213. GOD DAMN those Como Lake ASSBAGS!

[AliceWonderland]

215. Anyone know of any good progressive Canadian boards

where they're talking about all this? I'll never be able to sleep now.

[HEyHEY]

216. Never really found one

You could try www.news1130.com

it's an unmoderated forum from a radio station - beware lots of ass holes there

[JohnyCanuck]

219. www.rabble.ca, the Canuckistanian DU.

A site that's a bit like a Canadian DU: www.rabble.ca . Click on "babble" in the menu options under the Rabble.ca banner at top to go to the message boards . The election results are being discussed on this thread: www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum&f=35

[Robbien]

217. Crap Crap Crap

So now we wait.

Again Crap.

[GirlinContempt]

222. The Greens are the problem

We lots a riding by something like 1.5 percent
The greens took 8 percent of that vote.
We lost to the CONS!
grrrr so pissed

[Lisa]

224. I missed the excitement -- working at a polling station until 10 PDT

Saanich/Gulf Islands. Our NDP candidate (Jennifer Burgis) worked her buns off and ended up doing way better than expected, even in parts of the city that gave us low approval in the 1996 and 2000 elections. We now have a LOT more information that will help us in our next campaigns (federal and provincial).

The neo-Cons lost a lot of votes here in BC -- the Liberals and the NDP gained.