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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:07 AM
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Remember my e-mail to the RW writer at the SF Chronicle?
In a message dated 6/28/2004 4:36:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, "Delano" writes:

Mr Sparks,

You're entitled to your opinion on the veracity of the WMD claims and
the justness of Bush's war, but please stop promoting the absolute lie
that Saddam "kicked out" the UN inspectors.  Bill Clinton PULLED the
inspectors out in 1998 so he could BOMB Iraq to destroy whatever WMD he
thought were remaining.

It irks me no end how many right-wing pundits repeat this outright
falsehood, and you should publish a correction.

"Delano"

San Francisco


 So he replies with a bunch of cut-and-paste (THIS is a "writer"?)


The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them.

-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98

To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago.

--John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02


The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning

--Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98/

As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago.

--Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02


The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes.

--AP, 12/16/98

Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998.

--AP, 9/7/02


Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq.

--Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98

It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons.

--Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02


The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes.

--Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98

If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them.

--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02

This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain.

--Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98

What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out.

--John King, CNN, 8/18/02

Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council.

--USA Today, 12/17/98

Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies.

--USA Today, 9/4/02

But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh.

--New York Times, 12/18/98

America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago.

--New York Times editorial, 8/3/02

Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report.

--Washington Post, 12/18/98

Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons,

--Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02

Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction.

-- Newsday, 12/17/98

The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous.

--Newsday editorial, 8/14/02

Cheers,
Adam Sparks




So I wrote back:

On Jun 28, 2004, at 10:36 PM, Adamstyle@aol.com wrote:

The U.N. orders its weapons inspectors to leave Iraq after the chief inspector reports Baghdad is not fully cooperating with them.

-- Sheila MacVicar, ABC World News This Morning, 12/16/98


THE UN ORDERED THEM TO LEAVE.

To bolster its claim, Iraq let reporters see one laboratory U.N. inspectors once visited before they were kicked out four years ago.

--John McWethy, ABC World News Tonight, 8/12/02


Corporate media repetition of the falsehood. It was very common in 2002, when the war drums were so loud in the media that nobody opposed could get a word in edgewise...

The Iraq story boiled over last night when the chief U.N. weapons inspector, Richard Butler, said that Iraq had not fully cooperated with inspectors and--as they had promised to do. As a result, the U.N. ordered its inspectors to leave Iraq this morning

--Katie Couric, NBC's Today, 12/16/98/


UN ORDERED THEM TO LEAVE. Again - NOT "Kicked Out".

As Washington debates when and how to attack Iraq, a surprise offer from Baghdad. It is ready to talk about re-admitting U.N. weapons inspectors after kicking them out four years ago.

--Maurice DuBois, NBC's Saturday Today, 8/3/02


Again, more 2002 Corporate media Orwellian revisionism.

The chief U.N. weapons inspector ordered his monitors to leave Baghdad today after saying that Iraq had once again reneged on its promise to cooperate--a report that renewed the threat of U.S. and British airstrikes.

--AP, 12/16/98


UN ORDERED THEM TO LEAVE. Funny how the 1998 reports are more truthful...

Information on Iraq's programs has been spotty since Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998.

--AP, 9/7/02


Another War-buildup lie.

Immediately after submitting his report on Baghdad's noncompliance, Butler ordered his inspectors to leave Iraq.

--Los Angeles Times, 12/17/98


UN ORDERED THEM TO LEAVE. Are you trying to make my case FOR me by highlighting the difference in the way the exact same event was reported in 1998 and 5 years later?

It is not known whether Iraq has rebuilt clandestine nuclear facilities since U.N. inspectors were forced out in 1998, but the report said the regime lacks nuclear material for a bomb and the capability to make weapons.

--Los Angeles Times, 9/10/02


Forced out by whom? The UN. Only American soldiers (Iraq called them "spies") taking photos were told to leave by Saddam. The UN was NEVER told to leave.

The United Nations once again has ordered its weapons inspectors out of Iraq. Today's evacuation follows a new warning from chief weapons inspector Richard Butler accusing Iraq of once again failing to cooperate with the inspectors. The United States and Britain repeatedly have warned that Iraq's failure to cooperate with the inspectors could lead to air strikes.

--Bob Edwards, NPR, 12/16/98


U.N.

If he has secret weapons, he's had four years since he kicked out the inspectors to hide all of them.

--Daniel Schorr, NPR, 8/3/02


2002 Revisionism.

This is the second time in a month that UNSCOM has pulled out in the face of a possible U.S.-led attack. But this time there may be no turning back. Weapons inspectors packed up their personal belongings and loaded up equipment at U.N. headquarters after a predawn evacuation order. In a matter of hours, they were gone, more than 120 of them headed for a flight to Bahrain.

--Jane Arraf, CNN, 12/16/98


UN voluntarily left in the face of a US led attack.

What Mr. Bush is being urged to do by many advisers is focus on the simple fact that Saddam Hussein signed a piece of paper at the end of the Persian Gulf War, promising that the United Nations could have unfettered weapons inspections in Iraq. It has now been several years since those inspectors were kicked out.

--John King, CNN, 8/18/02


It's amazing how all the corporate media chimed in with the same false chorus in 2002. Why did NOBODY in 1998 say that the inspectors were "kicked out"?

Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov criticized Butler for evacuating inspectors from Iraq Wednesday morning without seeking permission from the Security Council.

--USA Today, 12/17/98


Butler took them out.


Saddam expelled U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998, accusing some of being U.S. spies.

--USA Today, 9/4/02


ANOTHER 2002 revision of history. Did the disparity not hit you at ALL?

But the most recent irritant was Mr. Butler's quick withdrawal from Iraq on Wednesday of all his inspectors and those of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which monitors Iraqi nuclear programs, without Security Council permission. Mr. Butler acted after a telephone call from Peter Burleigh, the American representative to the United Nations, and a discussion with Secretary General Kofi Annan, who had also spoken to Mr. Burleigh.

--New York Times, 12/18/98


Butler took them out... (sigh)

America's goal should be to ensure that Iraq is disarmed of all unconventional weapons.... To thwart this goal, Baghdad expelled United Nations arms inspectors four years ago.

--New York Times editorial, 8/3/02


2002 revisionism.

Butler ordered his inspectors to evacuate Baghdad, in anticipation of a military attack, on Tuesday night--at a time when most members of the Security Council had yet to receive his report.

--Washington Post, 12/18/98

1998 truth.

Since 1998, when U.N. inspectors were expelled, Iraq has almost certainly been working to build more chemical and biological weapons,

--Washington Post editorial, 8/4/02

2002 lie.

Butler abruptly pulled all of his inspectors out of Iraq shortly after handing Annan a report yesterday afternoon on Baghdad's continued failure to cooperate with UNSCOM, the agency that searches for Iraq's prohibited weapons of mass destruction.

-- Newsday, 12/17/98


1998 truth. But it gets in your side's spin on WMD nicely.

The reason Hussein gave was that the U.N. inspectors' work was completed years ago, before he kicked them out in 1998, and they dismantled whatever weapons they found. That's disingenuous.

--Newsday editorial, 8/14/02


And another 2002 revision.

Cheers,
Adam Sparks


Mr. Sparks, when looking at those clippings, did the discrepancy between the 1998 reporting and the 2002 reporting not jump out at you? It is a perfect example of the media's obedient lockstep to sell Bush's war in 2002. We in the anti-war crowd tried our damndest to point this out then, but we wouldn't be heard. It's taken hundreds of dead Americans to finally get our point across even partially. you have proven with your clippings that the inspectors were NOT kicked out, that wording is nothing more that 2002 war-hype spin. You should print a correction, or you should be ashamed of yourself for having no integrity whatsoever.

"Delano"
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:10 AM
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1. I apologize for the length of this post.
Suffice to say that he posted a bunch of clippings from 1998 that all said that the UN puled the inspectors out in anticipation of a US attack, and a bunch of clippings from 2002 saying they were KICKED out. It was like he was trying to make my point FOR me.

How thickheaded ARE these people?

Can they not even detect as big a distinction as that between the phrases "withdrew inspectors" and "inspectors wewre KICKED OUT"?

How they hell did these people graduate high school?
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:13 AM
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2. Thanks for the post.
It just goes to show ... how they cling to their own propaganda.
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:18 AM
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3. I couldn't post them, but you should'vve seen the little jingoistic pix
he put in the e-mail.

A book cover of something like "Protesting for Dummies" (ridiculing lib protesters)

Pic of a soldier holding a flag at a funeral and a quote by Kennedy about how "we will make the sacrifices necessary for liberty" (as though that has ANYTHING to do with Iraq...

And an ultra-close-up pic of an eye with a US flag reflecting on it. (?)

Have I mentioned today how much I hate these people?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:24 AM
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4. be sure to let us know if he replies
:)
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:26 AM
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6. Thanks.
It's not often I do the LTTE thing, but seeing that in the CHRONICLE just incensed me.

This is fucking SAN FRANCISCO, for Chrissakes!

Sorry - not aimed at you...
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:24 AM
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5. I'm from the city as well, and there are a couple of writers on sfgate
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 02:08 AM by Zinfandel
and the Chron. that I find myself always writing and going back and forth with...However I'm far more in their face than you are...I can't help it at times. What really drive me crazy are those fucking hit & run pieces by the right-wing "AP" writers in the Chronicle, stories straight from the WH & Rove's spin machine daily, written as if they are fact. And they NEVER offer an email address.

At least the sfgate writers are email accessible.

By the way your augment is absolutely correct and right on the money...But as you wrote, Sparks calls that "writing"? Also what a lying piece of shit he is.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:27 AM
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7. How thickheaded ARE these people?
Answer: Very

Well done for having the patience to point out to this guy what a moron he is
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:38 AM
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8. Word for word, I got the same BS response.
I emailed back and told him he was full of shit - in a nice way. And I let him know that if he did not stop the spinning and BS'ing my next contact would be way up the ladder and way over him.

LOL, I also asked him for clickable links since I would not believe anything he gave me since he has already shown himself to be someone NOT interested in the truth.

Wonder what he is gonna spin back to me?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 09:51 AM
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9. Beautiful job, Delano!!
Bravo!!!!

If the papers wont hire fact checkers, we'll have to do it ourselves.

Did you cc: editorial starff? Maybe Bob Somerby @ The Howler?

I've done that in the past. I've had responses from Somerby but *never* from the journalists or their editors.

Well played. :thumbsup:
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