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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 06:58 AM
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Kidnaping for the Lord

Below is a link to an article about people who are hired by parents to kidnap their own children, take them out of the country, and install them in private, church-run boot camps. It is, without doubt, the most horrific thing I have ever read. The parents think their adolescent children are "out of control" or "on drugs" because they do what adolescent children are supposed to do -- talk back. The churches -- all, upstanding politically conservative churches -- convince the frustrated parents the child needs behavioral modification. So the parents hire goons like the person described here and then stand back and watch as the goons literally kidnap (sometimes there is a struggle and handcuffs are used) the kids then "escort" them to these church-run concentration camps, all of which are out of the US. Here's the link:

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2004/feature_labi_julaug04.html

Folks, I have not posted much on this board. I am 46 years old. I have seen things that many of you never have and you should be grateful for not having seen them. But I have never, never, never in my entire life seen or heard of anything so depraved, disgusting and so frightening as this. Conservatives absolutely, positively MUST be stopped.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 07:11 AM
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1. Great Post Gary!! Thanks! Unfortunately, I actually heard of this
back in the 80's. It must be getting more frequent now though to turn up so mainstream.

I'll try to see if I can dig up some old info for you. It's been so long since I thought about it, not sure where to look again, but I'll try.

It's disgusting what people will do to their children to make them into the little controlled robots that the church and government wants.

So terribly sad and heinous.

I'm 46 also, and I too have seen more than I wish I had.

Welcome to DU!!! great place for an eye opening education!


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 07:12 AM
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2. Thanks For Your Post
Now, if a Manson or some other "messiah" were to come along and do this with kids, it'd be the absolute abomination of our society....but when a "church" does it, then it's making for "strong families".

It'd be great if we could really look at the child abuse that goes on "in the name of god". I'm not talking sexual here, but the mind control game that virtually all of us are subjected to at a young age, and in some prevail all their lives. Somehow the threat of "going to hell" is so strong as to make people live against their natural beings and do things to others that any rational person wouldn't do.

Unfortunately, if the parents consent and the child is under 18, there's little you can do nor I can do. The only way a "kidnapping" or other charge could be pressed is if one of the parents were to do it. But I'll bet you take a close look at that cult, and I'll bet there's dirt in their closets.

I've always considered myself a religious NOTA (none-of-the-above)...not believing in the concept of an "organized" faith...and lately I've been driven further in my distrust and near disgust for all things religious by the actions of the zealots in this regime.
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MissAnnThrope Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:07 PM
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3. Holy Mother Of God!
"In 1996, the stepdaughter told a counselor that Strawn had molested her two years earlier, when she was 12. She'd just gotten home from a school football game, and she was still wearing her green-and-white cheerleader's outfit. She fell asleep on the living-room floor while watching TV with her stepfather. She said that she woke to the feel of something hard against her vagina and ran out of the room. Strawn was arrested for molestation. During the police investigation, he claimed that he'd fallen asleep after drinking, and in his dreams had confused his stepdaughter with his wife. But Susan told the investigators that just after the incident, Strawn had told her that "'it was just a weak moment.' . . . He got turned on by her laying there with a short skirt on and all, and lay down beside her and unzipped his pants against her." Strawn grew depressed and began taking medication. He also admitted to detectives that a year earlier he had fondled the breasts of his niece on two separate occasions, when she was 12 or 13."

"The next day, Susan confronted Strawn about his alcoholism, as she had many times in the past. His stepdaughter chimed in that she had snapped a picture of Strawn in his stupor the previous night so that he could see what he'd looked like drunk. Strawn wanted to destroy the roll of film but Susan and her daughter wouldn't let him, because it included a photo of the family cat, which had since died. A struggle ensued, and Strawn kicked the girl in the groin. He then grabbed his wife by the throat, choking her while his stepdaughter called 911."




Why is a child molester and wife beater being allowed to escort teenagers to bible school? Are there no laws as to who can do this kind of work?

What is wrong with parents that they send them to schools where the teachers don't even have the proper certifications? I know there are schools in this country for troubled teens where they're going to get the education they need when they go back to the public school system. I would never pay $30,000 for my child (if I had any) to go to a school where they're not getting a proper education. What sort of marketing does the WWASP have?

"Jonathan Tyler Mitchell was also sprung from Tranquility Bay. Tyler (he goes by his middle name) had lost his mother when he was young and had never gotten along with his father, Bill Mitchell. In February 2002, Mitchell married his girlfriend of eight months and Tyler moved in with his brother. Mitchell soon asked Tyler to come over for dinner. When the 12-year-old arrived, there were two strangers at the table. They worked for Strawn. Later, they roused Tyler from bed and took him to Jamaica.

"What had Tyler done to deserve this wake-up call? According to his father, he had been disrespectful in class, kicked a school locker, talked about suicide, and refused to go to counseling. Tyler's account was different. "I suffer a lot of beatings from my dad," he told a psychologist who evaluated him. "The future is not looking good for me."

"Tyler had several relatives, however, who were not willing to leave the boy's future in his father's hands. Gini Farmer Remines, an adult cousin on his mother's side, petitioned a local juvenile court to order his return. When the judge refused, Remines appealed her decision to a circuit court.

"At a hearing that followed, three former Tranquility Bay students testified on Tyler's behalf, and what they described was a Caribbean purgatory. The food, they claimed, sometimes contained pubic hair and bugs. Raw sewage spilled over into the boys' shower area and "visible layers of dirt, grime, filth, mildew on the sides of the shower stalls" led to outbreaks of scabies. Students who broke a rule against looking out the window were placed in "observation placement"—forced to lie on the floor, sometimes for weeks at a time, and allowed to sit up only for food or a punitive round of 5,000 jumping jacks."


Is this place run by Scientology? It sounds a lot like they modeled themselves after the Sea Org. This is absolutely disgusting. Parents pay HOW MUCH to torture their children like this?

I'm so glad this kid had relatives that cared more than his abusive father. But how many kids don't have relatives willing to step in and stop the abuse?

OK, correct me if I'm wrong, but kidnapping kids from cults and deprogramming them caused a big stick about 10 or 15 years ago, right? The deprogrammers were being slurred in the press and their techniques were questioned. Wasn't there even a case where they wanted to bring a deprogrammer up on criminal charges? Parents aren't allowed to get their kids out of a cult, but they're allowed to throw them in a place with cult like conditions?

What is wrong with people? From the sound of this article, these kids need therapy in most cases, not to be thrown into a Mexican or Carribean prison. Why didn't anyone get help for the girl who killed herself and why was the school not investigated after she did? Sure, she tripped while trying to escape. Nothing like trying to justify something so you can absolve yourself of guilt and continue to believe you're doing God's work.

"Dalton took Louis to the bathroom. The assistant, who is 25, is fairly new to the job. But Strawn likes to show off Dalton to clients because he attended a WWASP school in Western Samoa called Paradise Cove. The school shut down in 1998 after a State Department investigation into what it determined to be "credible allegations" of abuse, but Strawn doesn't mention that."

The State Department investigated the school in Samoa, but none of the others? What is wrong with this picture? If they're run by the same company, didn't it occur to anyone the same abuses might be going on elsewhere? Why hasn't there been an investigation?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:08 PM
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4. Welcome to DU. Thanks for blowing the lid off of this insane
situation!


Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm
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