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pdmike Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:13 PM
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WMD Election Eve Bombshell?
I am worried that, perhaps, the Bush administration HAS proof that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and is merely withholding disclosure of this evidence until a week or so before the election. Is the Bush administration capable of such a tactic? Of course.

Saddam actually used WMD on the Kurds and others, so it is reasonable to conclude that he HAD them at one time. As such, it just may be that we actually did locate some WMD somewhere in Iraq and the Bush administration is simply putting a lid on it until election eve.

The GOP has never been afraid of a good, old dirty trick, now has it?

pdmike



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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:14 PM
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1. No
They wouldn't have carried themselves this close to the brink withholding something substantial that could really prove their position.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:25 PM
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13. You're right. They would have coordinated the release of such news
with their $100MM anti-Kerry ad buy. The fact that they didn't proves they don't have WMD.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:50 PM
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19. They could
In an act of total desperation, they may trot out this stinky lie just to swing the election. The closer the better. Closer to Nov 2, and the media (who already has proven it can't check facts) will have a lot to trouble sourcing that story.

This is a very real possibility for team chimp.
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MadChatter Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:15 PM
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2. Yeah
And how about "OSAMA IN OCTOBER"
That's what I think may happen.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:16 PM
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9. or how about...
Osama Bin Hidin' is caught with some of Saddams WMDs up his skirt.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:20 PM
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10. Hey MadChatter
Welcome. Glad you here.:hi:

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MissAnnThrope Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:47 PM
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16. Osama
I've been saying this since 2001. That they're going to find Osama Bin Laden just weeks before the election. I really do hope we're wrong.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:55 PM
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21. Me Too
BTW, great handle there, and welcome to DU, from a relative newbie (but long time lurker).

:toast:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 08:58 PM
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24. Hi MissAnnThrope!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 09:02 PM
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25. Where did pdmike take off to
after he posted this thread? Anyone for fishing?
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MissAnnThrope Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 11:29 PM
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26. HI!
And thank you for the welcome.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:15 PM
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3. They would have already shown it. The perception you describe is their
weapon. Dems think: we better say nothing... he might have the weapons and not have said anything. A lot of bunk! And he has done so many horrible things besides the stupid WMD threat, it is not going to make any darn difference.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:15 PM
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4. no one would believe it
there wouldn't be enough time for the whores to sell it to us.

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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:16 PM
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5. If they suddenly found WMDs
everyone is going to ask where they were and why it took so long to find them. It will actually make them look inept.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:16 PM
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6. No chance.
I expect a trick, but not that one. Too difficult to conceal.

I would be less suprised to see OBL's head on a platter come Nov 1.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:16 PM
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7. the October Surprise
will probably take some other form -- they themselves have nullified WMDs as an major issue among the general public
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:45 PM
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15. did someone say... OCTOBER?
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puerco-bellies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:52 PM
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20. That link attempts to down load something
I've got my hands full keeping shit off my hard drive already
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:02 PM
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22. Then you probably shouldn't click on links offering media, hmm?
Edited on Tue Jun-29-04 01:06 PM by thebigidea
Its a thoroughly educational film about October Surprises...
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:16 PM
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8. It wouldn't be a dirty trick. It would be a LAME trick.
So, a full 20 MONTHS after invading Iraq, WMD emerge?

They'd still have to answer to their "Imminent Threat" claims... 20 months later.

:eyes:

It's not working for me... but if that's the October Surpise, it's so incredibly stupid that I'll take it!
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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:22 PM
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11. Knowing how stupid the Republicans are, I do not
put it past them to try to plant WMDs in some obscure Eye-raqi desert town in October. I dont care. That would only widen the margin of their defeat at the polls.

DEM LANDSLIDE, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!! We take back and restore honor and dignity to the Congress and the WH.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:25 PM
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12. Like anyone would believe him now.
Besides that, it would be too perfect.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:43 PM
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14. Ah, but Dubya's base would believe anything...
no matter how obviously staged or contrived we know it to be...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:49 PM
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17. His base would
America in general would realize that an extremely important issue was being used as propaganda.

Bush loses every non-Taliban state by at least five points, Republican party ceases to exist.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 12:50 PM
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18. So let the base believe what they want
It takes more than a 33% base to get anywhere, and after we've owned Iraq for damn near two years wmd's are going to look awfully suspicious, same as obl. They have something planned of that you can be sure, just what is up to us to find and nullify it.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-29-04 01:10 PM
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23. i get that feeling too
but it doesnt matter. even if there are wmd's doesnt preclude the fact his incompetence in the doing the war and peace effort the last over year. there is still plenty of reason not to elect bush

whether wmd's are there or not doesnt matter.

in trying to get people to see why not to vote bush i dont go to wmd's

here is an interesting article i just read

US Suppressed Gas Charge Report
by Allis Chalmers
16 September/ septembre 2002.
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)

The repeated American propaganda weapon to rationalise the deaths of more than one million innocent Iraqis since 1991 through economic sanctions is that Saddam Hussein used poison gas against Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war and against Iraq's own Kurdish citizens. The accusation is now being invoked to launch a full-scale American assault on Iraq. This claim of Iraq gassing its own citizens at Halabjah is suspect. First, both Iran and Iraq used chemical weapons against each other during their war. Second, at the termination of the Iran-Iraq war, professors Stephen Pelletiere and Leif Rosenberger, and Lt Colonel Douglas Johnson of the US Army War College (USAWC) undertook a study of the use of chemical weapons by Iran and Iraq in order to better understand battlefield chemical warfare. They concluded that it was Iran and not Iraq that killed the Kurds.
In the first report they wrote: "In September 1988 — a month after the war had ended...the state department abruptly, and in what many viewed as sensational manner, condemned Iraq for allegedly using chemical weapons against its Kurdish population...with the result that numerous Kurdish civilians were killed. The Iraqi government denied that any such gassing had occurred...Having looked at all the evidence that was available to us, we find it impossible to confirm the state department's claim that gas was used in this instance. To begin with there were never any victims produced. International relief organisations who examined the Kurds — in Turkey where they had gone for asylum — failed to discover any. Nor were there any found inside Iraq. The claim rests solely on testimony of the Kurds who had crossed the border into Turkey, where they were interviewed by staffers of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee."

Regarding the Halabjah incident where Iraqi soldiers were reported to have gassed their own Kurdish citizens, the USAWC investigators observed: "It appears that in seeking to punish Iraq, Congress was influenced by another incident that occurred five months earlier in another Iraq-Kurdish city, Halabjah. In March 1988, the Kurds at Halabjah were bombarded with chemical weapons, producing many deaths. Photographs of the Kurdish victims were widely disseminated in the international media. Iraq was blamed for the Halabjah attack even though it was subsequently brought out that Iran too had used chemical weapons in this operation, and it seemed likely that it was the Iranian bombardment that had actually killed the Kurds."

In March 1991 as the massive US-led attack on Iraq ended, I was visiting the USAWC to give a lecture on South Asian security and discussed this problem with professor Pelletiere at lunch. I recall Pelletiere telling me that the USAWC investigation showed that in the Iranian mass human wave battlefield strategy, Teheran used non-persistent poison gas against Iraqi soldiers so as to be able to attack and advance into the areas vacated by Iraqis. On the other hand, Baghdad used persistent gas to halt the Iranian human wave attacks. There was a certain consistency to this pattern. However, in the Halabjah incident, the USAWC investigators discovered that the gas used that killed hundreds of Kurds was the non-persistent gas, the chemical weapon of choice of the Iranians. Note it was the Iranians who arrived at the scene first, who reported the incident to UN observers, and who took pictures of the gassed Kurdish civilians. However, Saddam Hussein's Iraq invaded and annexed Kuwait in August and the truth of the Halabjah incident became inconvenient.

I asked professor Pelletiere in March 1991, when he thought their findings would come out. I recall him telling me that it would probably take about five years after emotions over the Gulf war crisis died down. However, the USAWC report of 1990 has been dispatched into oblivion. The propaganda that Iraq gassed its own Kurdish civilians is cons-tantly invoked by the media. It was reactivated by president Clinton in December 1998 to justify the further bombing and destruction of Iraq.

Meanwhile, estimates of the number of innocents who have died in Iraq from relentless American-dictated UN sanctions range between 1-1.7 million, including more than half-a-million children. An article in The New England Journal of Medicine, assessed through a study of monthly and annual infant mortality rates in Iraq that "more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. UNICEF official Thomas Ekfal estimates that about 500,000 children have died in Iraq since the United Nations Security Council imposed economic sanctions on Baghdad.

If the US bombs Iraq, it is not the direct loss of Iraqi lives from "collateral damage" alone that will be the only tragedy, but the unseen and accelerated loss of lives of tens of thousands of more infants, the sick and the elderly from lack of medicine and other healthcare. Before the US bullies all countries into supporting its bombing of Iraq, major countries such as France, Germany, Russia, China, India and Indonesia should stand up in unison and say "no more " to the sole superpower.

The author is the Allis Chalmers distinguished professor of International Affairs at Marquette University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that". Martin Luther King, Jr.



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