WMD shipped to Syria/Bekaa Valley...debunk?

[BigBigBear]

My RW brother, who came out to visit during my personal crisis, and I got into an argument about Iraq, and he insisted on repeating the newsmax/worldnetdaily spin that a "stream of tractor trailor trucks drove the WMD's into the Bekaa valley", leaving them accessible to Syria and Hezbollah.

Anyone got a good link to debunk this?

[deutsey]

1. I'd ask him why aren't there satellite photos

of these convoys? Or does al Qaeda now have Romulan cloaking devices? :shrug:

[deutsey]

6. Here's a link, though I don't think it would fly with your brother

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles8/Nimmo_Iraq-WMD-Lies.htm

However, shouldn't the one making the claim be the one providing the plausible evidence?

[KansDem]

8. Maybe the truck drivers turned off their transponders...(?)

Just a guess...it seems to work for radar, perhaps satellite cameras too?

[deutsey]

13. Maybe, but it seems to me that satellite cameras are just that:

cameras. They take actual photos or films. But that's just my limited, perhaps incomplete understanding.

[KansDem]

16. Sorry...I didn't end my message with "(/scarcasm)"...

I knew satellite photos would capture the trucks on film. And I believe had there been such a massive transfer of WMDs as described by Bush in his 2003 SOTU speech, we would have those pictures AND the Bushistas would be only to willing to show them. But they haven't because there are no photos because there was no transfer of the alleged WMDs by the Iraqis.

I also find the statement that the planes on 9/11 couldn't be tracked because the pilots "turned off their transponders" highly incredulous, based on what I've read here at DU and other information websites...

I don't really believe trucks have transponders; I was just using sarcasm to hightlight the necessity of the Bushistas and their enablers to whitewash this whole affair.
:hi:

[deutsey]

17. I couldn't tell if you were joking, so I just went along thinking

maybe you knew more about trucks than me. I'm very mechanically challenged. :-)

[bushwakker]

19. Ask him why AWOL doesn't invade Syria then?

[markses]

2. Who needs a link?

He's making the claim, he should verify it. Ask him information about this story: where did it come from? Who are the witnesses? What kind of corroboration is available? Now: When did it happen? To whom was the shipment supposedly directed? Who was driving these trucks? Who owned the trucks? Has anybody in the US government corroborated this story? If so, and if the WMD are such a high government priority, why wasn't the shipment stopped at the time? You mean to tell me we had satellite pictures of these many buildings, but we didn't get satellite pictures of a large truck convoy moving out of Iraq in the months immediately preceding the war? Was the convoy seen by any of the US military pilots flying in the no-fly zones in the days and months immediately preceding the war? if not, why not? If we know where they were sent, and we were so desperate to destroy them that we invaded Iraq at a massive cost, why aren't we taking steps to destroy them in the Bekaa Valley? Have we initiated diplomatic talks with Lebanon regarding these munitions? Have we initiated a drive for the UN to pass a resolution to go in and get these ultra-dangerous munitions? if not, why not? Is letting these secret munitions sit in the Bekaa Valley a smart strategy? If it is not, why is the holy Bush administration pursuing it? Moreover, if the US really wants to prove to the world that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, why wouldn't we send in teams to extricate them or destroy them?

You don't have to refute anything. He has to support his claim. If he cannot answer these questions, then his claim is not supported. In which case, he believes the claim simply because he wants to believe it, and not because he is beingh a reasonable or capable citizen. In fact, your brother in l;aw is being an extremely irresponsible citizen because he has attached himself to a claim he cannot support. Let him prove it. "Show us the fucking money, chief," you should saqy to him. Andswering the questions above would be a start. Of course, since the claim is about as far as you can get from the truth, it would ONLY be a start. You don't have to refute an unsupported claim.

[Cat Atomic]

3. Yeah, I'd ask him to backup his claim before I tried to debunk it.

Ask for any shred of evidence from anyone who's not a proven liar or an administration shill.

[htuttle]

4. WMD hidden in Cheney's anus...debunk?

Honestly. Anyone can just throw an accusation out there and tell people they need to debunk it.

Ask him for 'proof'.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Nah...you got it all wrong!....

Cheney is the WMD up FratBoy's butt.

[JHB]

5. Tell him to prove it.

Any "stream of tractor trailor trucks" could be easily seen by air & satellite recon, and intercepted or attacked. And paraded before the public by the (mal)Administration as proof of its claims.

No such photos, evidence, or wreckage has been produced, so unless your brother has some verrrrry interesting snapshots from a recent visit to Syria, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Jacobin]

7. Do they have lots of oil?

If so, I'm sure they'll be invaded soon to "protect us from the WMD's".

When they aren't found, will they have been moved to another oil rich country?

[mmonk]

9. Tell him to provide

a non partisan source on that claim.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. Ask your RW brother if he uses his head for anything but a hat-rack...

After he figures that one out, ask him how the heck Iraq could have moved ANY suspicious vehicles in ANY direction with the kind of recon we've been doing over Iraq since before Desert Storm. We've had Special Forces on the ground snooping around, and multiple satellites, recon aircraft, and RPVs overhead 24/7.

(The only WMDs I've seen since December 2000 are the rightwing NeoCon whackjobs that hijacked our country.)

Now ask him when he's going to see F911.

[Canuckistanian]

12. Not necessarily a debunk, but

Think about it. The United States has the most sophisticated surveillance systems in the world, able to easily track a small sports car. And these are just the systems we know about.

How can it be that nobody noticed truckloads of equipment, munitions and chemicals traveling across an open desert?

And it's not like Syria is a mysterious rogue country. The US maintains contact with the Syrians and is perfectly capable of pressuring them to give up the weapons.

Another fact you have to ignore is that Syria is no friend of Saddam. Although they both have a Ba'ath party, Bashar Al-Assad referred to Saddam as "a beast".

[Hell Hath No Fury]

14. Would he believe Condi?

http://www.veteransforpeace.org/US_has_no_evidence_111503.htm


15/11/2003 06:40

U.S. has no evidence Iraq hid WMDs in Syria

By Reuters

"...A U.S. team hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was investigating multiple reports from Iraqis that banned weapons or weapons-related substances were moved across borders into Syria, Iran, and Jordan.

"I've seen reports, as everyone has," Rice said. But she added: "We don't have any evidence at this point that that's what happened."

Washington has accused Damascus of turning a blind eye to militants crossing into Iraq. Syria has long been on the U.S. State Department's list of states that support terrorism, and Washington accuses it of seeking weapons of mass destruction."

[Trajan]

15. I saw a stream of pink monkeys crawl into a mouse's arse ....

Can ANYONE 'debunk' that ?? ...

SHEEEESH ....

Look: there is NOTHING TO DEBUNK ! ...

FIRST see the evidence that something HAPPENED ... IF none is offered, then you neednt 'debunk' anything ...

When someone asserts that an event has occurred, they must show some sort of material evidence to support such an assertion: otherwise it is an anecdotal argument, which IS bunk ...

anecdote != evidence

[bushwakker]

18. Don't bother - they will always move the goalposts

when you debunk that one they'll come up with another one.