Lies, I tell you! All lies, distortions and fabrications...FOX On F911

[MindPilot]

* was on vacation only 13% of the time because Moore counted weekends at Camp David.

* projected calm in that FL classroom which was the right thing to do so says the 911 Commission.

Richard Clarke says "he alone" not the Whitehouse OK'd the bin Laden's flights. And the 911 Commission says those Saudis were properly interviewed before leaving the country.

Those Taliban leaders were invited by UNOCAL, not Gov. Bush and the visit was approved by Clinton.

Full story at: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124079,00.html

I guess that about covers it; MM is totally full of shit.

[Cat Atomic]

1. Yeah! If you don't count most of his time off, you see that

he didn't take much time off!

lmao. Silly conservatives.

[TexasSissy]

45. LOL LOL. Exactly. Like * saying the reason he thought there was link

between Al Qaeda and Iraq was....because there was a link between them.

Say again?

[cthrumatrix]

2. Fox came out with a glowing report day one.....what happened?

Did Rove tell them to change their "tune"... drink the Fox Punch and don't question anything.

[_Texan_]

7. Reviews

The first report came out before they actually saw the movie.:-)

_Texan_

[cthrumatrix]

20. Just like how Fuax does all thier investigative reporting....

[Trailrider1951]

46. Howdy, _Texan_!!

And a hearty welcome to the Underground from a fellow Texan. I swear this state is gonna turn blue yet!!
:hi:

[Beaverhausen]

3. the hijackers were ID'd while he sat there

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/M.A.Sweeney.html

[CO Liberal]

4. Most People Only Get Two Weeks Vacation a Year

That's only 3.8%

[fertilizeonarbusto]

5. Aw, f*ck Faux

Why aren't they so outraged about the outright LIES this administration tells every day which have cost and still are costing countless lives? Oh, that's right, because Faux is the main outlet for those lies. F*ck you, Faux, you'll soon be irrelevant to everyone except knuckle-draggers.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

6. Okay, now they've done it! Prezs get weekends off!

Now the next terrorist organization will target Saturday!

<sheesh>

[_Texan_]

9. Weekends

Yeah! They should have to work 24/7-365!O8)

_Texan_

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

22. I didn't say work... but held accountable 24/7 ...yes...

.. and DEFINITELY not have someone argue for me about percentages of
vacation time to 'not include weekends'.

What's next, 'after 5:00pm or before 8:00am or during lunch' so it's really ONLY 8.7%.... ??????????

When people get to that nitpicky of the detail, they've lost the argument and only splitting hairs.

[prodigal_green]

23. Clinton did.

I got one week vacation during my first year, as do most Americans.

He campaigned for the job, he shouldn't spend all of his time avoiding the work.

And yes, I expect my president to work on weekends too.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. That's it? That's the best they can come up with?

It's a friggin movie, for crying out load.

Besides, if we want to talk about lies, I'm much more concerned about all the lies in Bu$h's SOTU before the Iraq Invasion, and Bu$h's and Powell's speeches to the UN.

Maybe FAUX should take some time to fact checking Bu$h instead of MM? MM isnt' running this country into the ground. Bu$h is.

[_Texan_]

12. MM

MM is doing his best to run it into the ground!:dunce:

If I were JK I would tell MM not to do me any favors!;)

_Texan_

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Run what into the ground?

huh?

[_Texan_]

19. Huh?

Run this Country into the ground.

_Texan_

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

21. You're kidding, right?

Moore's running this country into the ground? It's a joke, right?
Right?


I don't get it.

[doni_georgia]

27. Only ones running this country into the ground is Bushco!

:wtf:

[Dragon Turtle]

32. The foul scent of a

Bu$h apologist troll attempting to be subtle...

[LTR]

34. Oh, why do you people even bother?

:eyes:

Hope you enjoyed your brief stay!

[xxqqqzme]

24. please how can Moore

run the country N2 the ground. Xactly what power does he have 2 control events involving the branches of the government, the miitary and foreign policy??

[apnu]

30. I think i smell a rat or...

... a very bad joke. I'm not sure which.

[Toots]

36. Your handle is fitting

:shrug:

[Still_Loves_John]

38. Hey, we're not all bad

;)

[JohnLocke]

40. "_Texan_" has gone to the great forum in the sky...

[Kid_A]

10. So the Taliban assholes were invited by a company Bush does business with,

not by Bush himself? Well in that case, where's the harm? It's not like one of Bush's pals would ever be do business with a horrible tyrant...

[Fleshdancer]

11. So the POTUS gets weekends off???

it's so nice that all foreign and domestic catosrophies only occur Monday thru Friday. I wouldn't want the most powerful leader of the free world to have to be inconvienenced on a Saturday afternoon or anything.

[_Texan_]

15. Weekends

I think that is why they get 2 months vacation a year is because they work on weekends.:think:

I can't remember any President in my lifetime say "Oh I'm sorry! I can't help you now it is Saturday or Sunday."

Even when they were on vacation or otherwise.

I can only remember from Nixon on so if it happened before that I wouldn't know first hand.B-)

_Texan_

[Goat or Panic]

13. Projected calm?

Calm? Not the first word that comes to mind.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

18. That rationale of presented calm only works if...

.. there was only the other option of EXTREME PANIC!


Too bad even Fox & the 9/11 commission THANKS BUSH for NOT running around the classroom mimicking Sally Field's performance in Mrs. Doubtfire when she found out her husband was the nanny "the whole time? Gotta go, gotta go now'.

But when presented with OTHER options of appearing calm AND stately and diplomatic, I guess Fox and the commission just new that was TOO much to ask for.

[NYCGirl]

16. Two points...

Richard Clarke says "he alone" not the Whitehouse OK'd the bin Laden's flights.

He may have OK'd the flights (after a clearance by the FBI), but he most certainly did not initiate the flights. Someone higher up did.


And the 911 Commission says those Saudis were properly interviewed before leaving the country.

And according to a number of sources, only about two dozen out of 142 people were even nominally interviewed.

[salib]

25. Not quite right, but cleverly selected

Here is an excerpt from Michael Moore's site:

We really do not know why it was so necessary for the White House to allow the quick exodus of these Saudi and bin Ladens out of the country, and "the White House still refuses to document fully how the flights were arranged," according to a June 20, 2004, article by Phil Shenon in the New York Times.

We do know who asked for help in getting Saudis out of the country - the Saudi government. National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Threats and Responses in 2001, Staff Statement No. 10, The Saudi Flights, p. 12 The film also includes a television interview with Saudi Prince Bandar, confirming this as well.

Former counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke has testified that he approved these flights, stating that "it was a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House." Testimony of Richard Clarke, Former Counterterrorism Chief, National Security Council, before The Senate Judiciary Committee, September 3, 2003.

see also: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/f911facts/index.php?id=35

[NYCGirl]

29. And here's more info from Craig Unger:

(Author of House of Bush, House of Saud)

http://www.houseofbush.com/index.php

(From a June 20th NYT Article)
In addition, new evidence shows that the evacuation involved much more than the departure of 142 Saudis on six charter flights that the commission is investigating. According to newly released documents, 160 Saudis left the United States on 55 flights immediately after 9/11 - making a total of about 300 people who left with the apparent approval of the Bush administration, far more than has been reported before. The records have been released by the Department of Homeland Security in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by Judicial Watch, a conservative, nonpartisan watchdog group in Washington.

The vast majority of the newly disclosed flights were commercial airline flights, not charters, often carrying just two or three Saudi passengers. They originated from more than 20 cities, including Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, and Houston. One Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left Kennedy Airport on Sept. 13 with 46 Saudis. The next day, another Saudi Arabian Airlines flight left with 13 Saudis.

The panel has indicated that it has yet to find any evidence that the F.B.I. checked the manifests of departing flights against its terror watch list. The departures of additional Saudis raise more questions for the panel. Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar, told The Hill newspaper recently that he took full responsibility for approving some flights. But we still don't know if other Bush administration officials participated in the decision.

The passengers should have been questioned about any links to Osama bin Laden, or his financing. We have long known that some faction of the Saudi elite has helped funnel money to Islamist terrorists--inadvertently at least. Prince Ahmed bin Salman, who has been accused of being an intermediary between Al Qaeda and the House of Saud, boarded one of the evacuation planes in Kentucky. Was he interrogated by the F.B.I. before he left?

[salib]

17. Some of these are already debunked

And yet they just keep recycling the "claims" (read "lies") about the film. See http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/f911facts/

[salib]

26. Why do we keep repeating the same BS?

It is debunked! Look at MM's site: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/f911facts/index.php?id=35

[goclark]

28. The Congressman was on too

Can't remember his name. He said that he did give MM an answer when he interviewed him on the street.
Congressman said that he told MM that his nephew? was in the army andhe didn't know why MM cut that out.

[gasperc]

31. Moore got the vacation data from washington post

not ALL saudi's were interviewed as even the commission admits, and is stated in the movie that only 24 of 29 were interviewed.
and I don't recall it stated in the movie that Bush invited the Taliban but that they met with Unocal in Texas and Karzai did work for Unocal and low and behold one of the first major projects started before even stabilizing the country and holding elections was to sign a deal to build a pipeline.

and as far as projecting calm? for SEVEN minutes? two planes just smashed into the WTC towers and no one there had a inkling that hmmm I wonder that since people know where the president is this morning that they might try to smash a plane into this building?
Sure, calm, a minute goes by maybe but after that? He wasn't told there was an airline accident, he was told "AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK" was he waiting for someone to tell him what to do? did his next move have to be staged like everything else about his presidency?

[opihimoimoi]

33. His face told the story, The man was not a man, instead, that was a face

of a Wimp.

[jpak]

35. Didn't the Repugs and FAUX talking heads claim that Richard Clarke's book

was a pack of lies????????

[BlueStateGirl]

37. The same Richard Clarke they hammered for being a bitter, jealous

passed over liar?

Um... okay.

[mainer]

39. "Only" 13% equals SEVEN weeks of vacation a year

EVEN allowing their BEST spin, the rightwingers are going to have to justify how a President (whom we pay $400,000 a year) can justify vacationing the equivalent of almost seven weeks a year.

[TNOE]

41. A Freeps Farenheit 9/11 FACT Blog

http://fahrenheit_fact.blogspot.com/

Oh go ahead - have some fun!

[Zorra]

42. Wow, the trolls are desperate! They are invading DU in droves!

Ipiamat: small, black and red, it feeds on cockroaches.

[MindPilot]

43. Umm...I'm not an invader or a troll

Been on DU a long time-- just don't post much. I'm very much a liberal activist. I'm not going to list my resume here; I wrote that post from work in an very short time between lunch and my next meeting.

I was trying to capture the tone of the article, not sound as if I beleived it...sorry if I wasn't clear.

[Zorra]

47. No, I wasn't clear.

Saw the sarcasm. The post was not directed at you. The comment was a general statement about all the desperate trolls that are posting on the MM threads.

My apologies for the misunderstanding.

[anakie]

44. the film has now been out for almost a week

and still not one law suit. They really are clutching at straws.

[kskiska]

48. Faux News was so pathetic tonight

They've even resorted to going to the dictionary and quoting the definition for "documentary," claiming that Moore's movie isn't one. Well, just maybe it's a documentary according to the criteria of the Academy of Arts and Sciences when it receives its Academy Awards.