"WHY WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS IN NOVEMBER"

[funkybutt]

Last night at the F-911 house party here in new orleans I encountered a man who is a member of this organization ( www.workersdemocracy.org ). Their mission statement says, "The goal of the Workers Democracy Network is to organize a democratic workers movement that unites all workers, on an equal basis, around our common interests. We oppose business unionism and all cooperation with the corporate elite...."

This organization is a little mysterious to me b/c I strongly agree with many of their views and articles but this one article written by the man I met was very different. The title of the article is, "WHY WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS IN NOVEMBER" This article is not online but i read it and it seems to be trying to convince workers to fight capitalism by not supporting the Democrats. The first part of the article names all these "repressive policies" that were created by Clinton legislation.

"A step forward in the electoral arena is to build a real working class alternative to the two parties of capitalism."

"the first step in making a movement that can break with these two parties is to break the ideological hold that the Democrats still maintain on many working people...."


"The Democrats will not compromise their commitment to capitalism, rather those to change the party will compromise their anti-capitalism, orin this period of capitalist decay, even their commitment to liberalism" Jay Arena - Workers Democracy VOl 5, No.1

[WilliamPitt]

1. Do I care?

Survey says no.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Not voting Dem means the GOP wins

and I don't think this group will be happy with 4 more years of Shrub. Best to vote Dem this time then work to change the party or boost a more progressive third party.

[JHBowden]

3. Go Bush!

You know what communist recalcitrance gave Germany in 1930s, eh? If only they would have worked with the social democrats.....

[Catholic Sensation]

4. so because democrats aren't communists, they're unworthy of our support

[Droopy]

5. Well, Democrats aren't socialists

But they've done a hell of a lot more for working people than the Republicans have.

[democracyindanger]

6. "The Democrats will not compromise their commitment to capitalism

rather those to change the party will compromise their anti-capitalism, orin this period of capitalist decay, even their commitment to liberalism"

If he wants to recruit people to his cause, a good starting point is being comprehensible.

[sabbat hunter]

11. sounds like to me

the guy is a member of the communist party. nothing wrong with that, but of course any of the other parties, in addition to the dems and repubs will not follow what they want. but since the communist party is still officially outlawed in the US they call themselves other names like workers democracy and such.


peace
david

[The Magistrate]

14. There Is A Communist Party U.S.A., Sir

This is just a splinter of a splinter. Some people cannot be happy unless faced by no prospect of success whatever....

"He was reaching for the sky just to surrender."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[NWHarkness]

27. Splitters!

[Yupster]

18. Communist Party outlawed?

My history professor was a leaderof the CPUSA. Right out in the open. If they got outlawed, I never heard of it.

[Merusault]

7. ?

I was at a coffee shop at the riverbend last week and overheard a man (who seemed to be in construction work) saying that the working people are going to unite and throw Bush out of office. He said that everyone needs to support Kerry. I wonder if it was the same guy at the house party, but maybe the article is old.

What part of the city was the party at?

[funkybutt]

28. I was at the party on Mazant street

check out pics

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1889484&mesg_id=1889484

[PoliticsSportsMusic]

8. Come on...Clinton was no liberal...

he took the Democratic party in the totally wrong direction...made more consevative policies than any Dem ever had. He neglected Unions,environment,social justice....don't be like repugs and refuse to see the 'bad' in our leaders. Right now getting Bush out of office is job #1...JOB #2 reforming the Democratic party...money is influencing our party too...time for a complete overhaul and get progressive again.

[LTR]

31. Clinton was the right guy at the right time

No way was a hard-core lib going to win the White House in '92.

Hate to be a naysayer, but look at Dukakis and Mondale. They were basically laughed at. No way a hard left guy was getting elected after 12 years of Reagan and Bush.

Clinton is a fairly liberal to moderate guy who had to make a lot of compromises. Usually, compromise is the only way to get things done in D.C. And he did make the Democratic party look good, blowjobs aside. All in all, he was a great president. With experience in balancing Arkansas' budget, he helped usher in the most robust economy in our nation's history, regardless of what the GOP might lead you to think.

Hell, in a perfect world, IMHO, we'd have a President Kucinich. But we don't live in a perfect world. Yet.

This stuff takes some time.

And this is coming from me, a guy who thinks Paul Wellstone was the best senator of the past two decades.

[Union Thug]

9. They are socialists....

...and while I am with them 99%, that 1% diff is that I know we have to get rid of Bush before we can go about the business of moving the center back to the left... this before we can even dream of a social democracy...

[LoZoccolo]

10. Let me guess, they want to unite all workers...

...but they're gonna decide how to unite!

[The Magistrate]

16. Tha Vanguard Party, Sir

Is, by virtue of its understanding of the principles of history and the struggle, the expression of the united will of workers, and has no need therefore to consult them when acting in their best and revolutionary interests....

[LoZoccolo]

22. Hee Hee Hee Hee!

Of course, they don't count the last hundred years of the principles of history in that, otherwise they'd learn too much about what happens when vanguard parties try to act in revolutionary interests!

[The Magistrate]

26. Well, Sir

As the World Will End Today Society choruses on breaking up its meetings: "Cheer up, lads! We must get a winner one day...."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Caution]

12. I just love the ignore feature

Every idiot who posts about some insane conspiracy theory? ignore. Everyone who posts about why not to vote kerry, why not to vote democrat, why to vote nader, ignore. boom, totally pleasant experience on DU.

[funkybutt]

29. if that was directed at me...

i am 100% behind Kerry and was misled/confused by this organization's main objective.

[funkybutt]

34. also, ignoring everything that you don't want to hear

sounds a lot like what the current regime does.

you can also accidentally filter out articles that ARE NOT those that you were intending to ignore.

[IronLionZion]

13. we care because?

we can do without the communist vote

[NWHarkness]

15. On no!

Forget about the soccer moms and the nascar dads, we are in danger of losing the all important Trotskyist windbag bloc!

[struggle4progress]

17. Revolution begins at home.

I hope they're working hard to elect Marxists to the City Council and the state legislature because, until they have some real political success somewhere, their views on the Presidential campaign are without merit.

[Yupster]

19. They had some decent success for a while

until that whole Stalin thing.

[struggle4progress]

30. Marx was right: there was very little chance of communism in Russia.

Trotsky was right, too: it was a mistake for the worker-army councils to allow the Central Committee to seize all power.

[Zorra]

20. Fuck it. I'm voting for Kerry.

[sendero]

24. Me too...

... because the only choices are Kerry or Bush*. It's not really a difficult decision, less trouble that figuing out what's for dinner :)

[Walt Starr]

21. Come talk to me November 3rd

On November 2nd, it's a straight Dem ticket for me.

[sendero]

23. Either a right wing front...

... or another pack of deludinoids who think you can shoehorn a third party into a 2-party system.

Too bad.

[funkybutt]

32. my thoughts exactly

[Swamp Rat]

25. Damn! I was trying to find you guys last night!!!

I was glued to my computer and saw six of us on the map, but I was by myself and didn't have the telephone number by the time it started.

funkybutt please PM me and tell me where to go on July 11th(?), or we can start a thread in the LA state forum.

I want to know more about this mysterious dude.

[funkybutt]

33. check out my earlier post about the party

i found out about it through a move on email that linked me to a page that would allow you to find parties in your area.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1889484&mesg_id=1889484

I think these same hosts will be having a party July 11. There is also one (we're thinking of going to) is in Metairie (believe it or not)

[funkybutt]

35. Kick