If your getting nervous about the election read this from Josh Marshall

[59millionmorons]

I take it as a given that virtually no Gore voters from 2000 will pull the lever for Bush. But how many lightly-committed Bush voters from 2000 will hold him to account if they believe he gambled big and gambled unwisely with America's honor and safety, and came up short? I think more than a few. And since there were more Gore voters than Bush voters last time anyway, well ...

I must say I agree 100% with Josh, this is why I am totally relaxed about this upcoming election. I really see no way for Bush to win. Because even if not one Bush supporter switches and we can assume(I Know) that the votes are counted correctly WE WIN.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

[camby]

1. That's exactly what I've been thinking for a while

which is why I can't believe these polls that keep coming out saying that the two of them are so close. It just doesn't make sense.

[Robbien]

3. The Canadian polls were shown to be full of balogna

I believe most of the polls are skewed to say this race is going to be even so that the media will get more advertising dollars from the campaigns.

If Canadian polls were so wrong, ours are probably wrong as well.

[Booster]

23. I think the reason for the close polls is...

because they have to keep it close so when they steal the election like they did the last time, the American people will believe it was so close that anybody could have won and no one will challenge them. I still think we're in a bad spot and it will take a huge landslide on Kerry that can't be disputed.

[mctrotter5]

26. maybe so but we have to keep fighting everyday of every

month till Bush and his repub buddies are out. We can not take a chance to think this election is in the bag.

[Arwennick]

2. Depends

On which state those cross-voters are located.

[HootieMcBoob]

4. That's the way I look at it too

Which is why I don't trust those polls at all. I'm not taking anything for granted and I don't trust these bastards a bit but that's the way it looks to me as well.

[xray s]

5. and another thing...

Republicans always register and vote. It's ingrained genetically. They register at 18 and vote until they are worm food.

Democrats are more picky. They don't vote unless all the stars line up just right and the universe is in tune harmonically to their favorite song.

Well, not this year! W has united us, and we won't stop until he is gone...gone...GONE!

[Bjornsdotter]

6. Stalin...

The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do. Joseph Stalin


I still think we need to be on our toes.

Cheers,
Kim

[Lorien]

7. Diebold n/t

[KoKo]

8. What about those who give up on both party's in disgust...There are

many out there. After Clinton and now Bush how much can we expect the average Amrerican to tolerate before they just "tune out." Folks have to go on with their lives. If they no longer believe in either party then not voting they think is their "protest."

We don't see it that way because we are maddened with rage about what Bush has done to America and what the PNAC/RW did to Clinton.

But, we are just "Us." I have to many friends saying "Pox on both houses" not to be very worried about this upcoming election.

I'm hoping that Kerry's strategy of hanging back and letting Bush implode on his own and then coming in for the "kill" at the finish will work. But it's a big gamble, I think because there are folks looking for a voice to express their anger. If they don't get it, then I think we will end up with that "Pox thing," but I really hope I'm wrong.

[camby]

11. You have a point

My boss voted for Bush (I warned him, but he ignored it), and now is disgusted, but still can't get himself to vote Democratic. Last comment was "None of them is any good." My response to him was, "That kind of thinking is what got us into this mess." But it's a tough sell.

[emulatorloo]

15. Gore voters are filled w disgust alright, and it ain't w the Dem Party

I do not know anybody who voted for Gore who is gonna sit this one out. They want Bush out and they want him out bad.

As to your concern about Kerry strategy, check out his history. . .he is a strong closer. Also remember most people aren't paying attention yet and won't until after the Dem convention.

[rednek_Liberal]

21. to those people who are to apathetic to vote, for whatever reason...

I say then dont blame me when they come for your children.

Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to put on a black shirt.
Waiting to weed out the weaklings.
Waiting to smash in their windows
And kick in their doors.
Waiting for the final solution
To strengthen the strain.
Waiting to follow the worms.
Waiting to turn on the showers
And fire the ovens.
Waiting for the queers and the coons
and the reds and the Jews.

[Poiuyt]

9. I'm still nervous, probably because so much is at stake.

Every once in a while you hear someone repeat Bush's mantra that 9/11 changed everything (like Dennis Miller, :puke:). The question is, how many independents and undecideds can be persuaded to vote for Kerry, especially those in the battleground states.

The fact that the voter turnout for the Democrats in the primaries was so high shows that there is strong opposition to Bush, whereas the voter turnout for the Republicans was low (even considering an incumbent) which shows lack of strong support for Bush. Combine that with Bush's low approval rating and things look better. Kerry still hasn't made his case to the general public...hopefully, that will happen at the convention and beyond.

[rednek_Liberal]

22. Dennis Miller can go Cheny himself N/T

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. We still can't take this election for granted!

[camby]

13. Yes, it ain't in the bag by a long shot

But there is hope.

[Kazak]

12. Yeah, I've thought it a million times...

I'm still worried though. Mostly, because I know what these cretins are capable of.

[Beam Me Up]

14. You may be right but don't let that lull you back to sleep.

This is not politics as usual.

The 2000 election was STOLEN in a very bold faced way and they were allowed to get away with THAT along with a whole lot of other things that have cost countless lives, both US and foreign.

Now, it may be that we have the 2004 election in the bag but I wouldn't COUNT on it. Moreover, even if they DO "allow" us to boot them out of the White House this term, you can be damn certain that they'll just be waiting for the first opportunity to continue with their agenda.

[emulatorloo]

16. That means there are ***NO SAFE STATES!!!****

I agree that Gore voters will vote Dem, and moderate Bush voters won't vote bush. . .But I remain nervous. . .this really means there are no safe REd States. . .and for good measure I want to get bigggggggg margins in the blue states too.

So I hate to see people vote third party this time, believing that they have the luxury of a protest vote.

[Kimber Scott]

20. Nobody even CARES about a protest vote.

People care as much about a protest vote as they would if Saddam Hussein went on a hunger strike. It's a waste of time and there are NO SAFE STATES! Take no chances.

Just MHOP.

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. That's been my position since Election 2000

And it won't hurt to have a landslide so that the cheaters can't alter the course. Of course, that's assuming we have an election this year. I think it might be postponed for the Iran invasion.

Drop Bush Not Bombs - Fuck Bush - Who Would Jesus Bomb?
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[cease_fire]

18. Here's the deal with these "Polls"

The first thing you have to consider is the polling procedure.

Consider how they are executed.

A pollster will contact "Likely Voters".

Well, that's the first issue. A Likely Voter is not a Registered Voter or a Voter with a Track Record.

When the "Who ya gonna vote for" question is put to anyone, they will make a decision.

Test this hypothesis: Go ask anyone - anyone who their gonna vote for and they will likely give you an answer.

It doesn't mean that they're gonna vote.

In terms of this election - the Democratic voter turn out will be higher than it ever has been before. Our side is mobilized. The Republican "Likley Voter" is not any where near as energized.

According to them, everything is just fine. Bush is doing well in the polls, the economy is improving, Iraq is stable.

They'll stay home. All is well. And you know what, we should help them perpetuate that myth. Let'em think everything is Fiiiiine.

We wont.

While it's not a lock, the de-selection of Shrub is very attainable.

Without a poll, the media would have no precedent to tell us that they are "in touch with the people". It's a manufactured news item, and it's as straw as they come.

[Insider]

19. two words

california & maryland

[OpSomBlood]

24. Bush lost 2000. There's no way he's got MORE support now.

I agree with your assessment. There's no way Bush can win unless he cheats.

[TexasBushwhacker]

25. I wonder who the "undecideds" voted for last time

Are the undecideds Republicans that have realized that Bush may be their candidate, but he's not the man for the job?

Are they people who voted for Nader last time and are reconsidering the consequences of voting for a third party candidate?

I suppose there could be some that voted for Gore but won't vote for Kerry, although I can't really imagine why. Kerry wasn't my first choice this time, but I'm an ABB gal - ANYONE BUT BUSH!

[leftofthedial]

27. I would be relaxed too

if I believed there would be an actual election.

But there won't.