MSNBC : Does Saddam deserve a fair trial ?

[kentuck]

Think about it. :shrug: Can you believe this question? We want Iraq to be the first democracy in the ME but we question whether or not he deserves a "fair" trial? No, he deserves an "unfair" trial? No, he deserves no trial at all. We already know he is guilty as charged. Right? Have these people's brains turned to mush? The numbers at the moment show 46% say he does not deserve a "fair" trial. It's a hard rain gonna fall....

[FredScuttle]

1. Next MSNBC poll: "Should we take a shit on the Bill of Rights?"

n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. does MoPaul have an animation of that yet?

[shraby]

5. Link?

[kentuck]

7. It's on MSNBC....

Maybe on their website.... ?

[Not Me]

3. My thoughts exactly.

In a related vein, I listened to one of the news shows the other day (sorry can't remember who,) where they were talking to some of the officials of the new Iraqi govt. They were asked how they were going to bring security to the country. To which they alluded to a form of martial law, and then one of the guys mentioned that they have a different form of persuasion in their culture--and mentioned cutting off hands and heads as a legitimate form of punishment.

WTF are we there for??????????????????????

[Delano]

4. HELL NO! RAILROAD HIM!

What stupid thinking.

The fact is that there were a lot of lies and distortions about Saddam. He killed thousands (but many of them were the violent uprising encouraged by Bush 1 - our government would put down a violent uprising/revolution by force too, guaranteed) He put people into plastic shredders - I've NEVER seen any credible documentation of this story. It's probably another fable just like the story before Gulf war 1 that the Iraqis took Kuwaiti babies out of incubators and threw them on the floor (which turned out to be complete fiction)

So it may be that the only way to convict him will be to railroad him...


Not saying that he isn't guilty of human rights abuses of every kind, just that many of the claims are highly dubious and/or distorted.

[MundoQueGanar]

9. you know, the other thing is...

If there is an open and "legit" trial, Saddam could expose a lot of stuff about the US that the ruling class would really rather keep quiet--how the US armed both sides in the Iran/Iraq war that claimed millions of lives, how the US provided Iraq with chemical weapons and intelligence about enemies to use said weapons on, how the US gave the green light to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait...and a lot of other stuff we may NEVER know about. Not saying that he couldn't lie, but hell, he could sure shed some light on the kind of dirt the US has done over there under republican AND democratic administrations...

[kentuck]

11. Welcome Mundo !

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

[MundoQueGanar]

15. thanks--good to be here...

and you sure said something there, buddy. Tangled indeed.

[kentuck]

6. And to think these people are on air giving the "news" ???

Do they not have any Constitutional knowledge or are they as dumb as they appear? Do they have any inkling of how dangerous they are with this type of "reporting"?

[kentuck]

8. Saddam needs to be tried before the World Court...

Take him to the Hague and let's have a "fair" trial. Isn't that where they took Milosevic?

[bullimiami]

12. What can try Saddam for that * isnt guilty of?

-The "torture prisons?"

-WMD?

-Starting an aggressive war?

[BootinUp]

10. This is fuckin scary

This is not my country!!! :wtf:

[cthrumatrix]

13. do we deserve a fair media --- hell yes ..... what is wrong with us

[historian]

14. he wont get a fair trial

if his trial is conducted in the open, with responsible attorneys and impartial judges (har har) he would be extremely dangerous to the bush thugs; imagine all the stories he could tell.
No, hell be found mysteriously dead in his cell, probably from stress or some other contrived excuse.

[hlthe2b]

16. While I empathize with impassioned Iraqis, I think they are going to be

manipulated by the Bushies* to the point that the only question following an expedited and highly scripted trial will be whether they will opt for the bullet or the noose....

Of course maybe we can contract with the Saudis for a loan of their "chief beheader..."


Sadly, how many are either old enough or well read enough to know that by contrast, the Nuremburg Trials, (despite the horrendous outrage at the Nazi attrocities), were not conducted as mere "show trials." One can certainly judge the sincerity of "democratic ideals" by the way in which they mete out justice. I'd say the US is right up there with Sudan right now...

On edit, I'm not saying the ultimate justice for Sadaam may not be the death penalty. But, if that is the decision, it should have been arrived at by a very thorough (and painful to the Bushies*) examination of the facts...

[graham67]

17. I can't believe it...

:wtf: kind of question is that?

[LittleApple81]

18. I answered, and then sent this comment: (link)

WHO WRITES YOUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU? WHAT KIND OF QUESTION IS THIS?
I imagine the next one is probably going to be "Should human rights be eliminated?"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/

[Cat Atomic]

19. Didn't MSNBC have some poll yesterday about whether or not

we need the First Ammendment? Or did I misunderstand that?

[kentuck]

20. There will never be any credibility attached to this "trial" unless....

he is tried before the World Court.

[JAbuchan08]

21. Am I the only one confident that Sadaam could easily be convicted

within the bounds of US and international law? In other words, why have an unfair trail if you can get what you want (a conviction) with a fair trail? It seems to me that the people voting in the poll probably know this, but simply don't want a "fair" anything for Sadaam.

on edit: I could see why Gee Whiz doesn't want the trail, but c'mon America we're supposed to have a legal system that is based on FACT, witholding anything even resembling opinion until sentencing?

[kentuck]

22. Probably...

But they obviously have their reasons for a secret and fixed "trial"..