TALK ABOUT CONSPIRACY THEORIES!! Saddam NOT Saddam?

[monroncrief]

Wow. Saddam is an...impostor?
Sure...why not...
This guy is...welll, you decide....anyone else heard this craziness?

AND he has pictures!

from http://www.joevialls.co.uk



There is little doubt that the International Red Cross really screwed the White House last week, when demanding that America release "prisoner-of-war Saddam" when "sovereignty is returned to Iraq at the end of June". The possibly catastrophic results of handing an imposer back to the Iraqi people, all of whom can tell the difference between President Saddam Hussein and one of his body doubles at close range, had American Administration officials wringing their hands in panic, while seeking a less-than-lethal compromise.
Leading the charge was American-appointed Iraqi Dictator Paul Bremer, due to be replaced on 1 July by American-appointed Iraqi Dictator Iyad Allawi. Bremer has a very personal interest in the proceedings, because if all of Baghdad's residents should uncover the deception, and rise up in rage to attack his splendid dictatorial residence in the Green Zone, Paul will unquestionably be castrated while still alive, shortly before being returned to New York with his privates sewn neatly inside his mouth.
Dictator Bremer announced America's intent to keep the imposter away from public view by referring obliquely to the incoming pupper government: "If they ask for him, which I have every reason to believe they will ... we'll turn him over," Bremer told the Washington Post, adding that "legal custody and physical custody can be two separate things".
Instantly proving that the pliable puppets have no intention of asking for 'Saddam' to be released at any time in the future, American-appointed Justice Minister Malek Duhan al-Hassan stepped in, insisting that American assistance was necessary. "Saddam Hussein will be under our responsibility after June 30 but we can ask the coalition to provide additional support to guard him for an undetermined period of time."

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[truthseeker1]

1. Actually, I *have* heard this theory

it's at least worth considering, eh?

[monroncrief]

6. Yup...

The pics of the overbite saddam vs. the underbite saddam are interesting! This guy ALSO thinks the Uday/Qusay corpses are fake- THAT one makes more sense to me, but, hey, who knows WHAT this administration is capable of...

[trumad]

2. Dude...You seriously need to chop this down to a couple of paragraphs

copyright laws, etc...

[monroncrief]

7. nah...

Thought it made for a short,interesting read, but thanks for the advice.

[trumad]

13. Look...it's against DU rules

not my rules... Just letting you know Pal...

[Name removed]

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[Must_B_Free]

3. I'll bite - here are some interesting facts

- Saddam was always rumoured to use doubles

- many Iraqis resemble Saddam - as one man on TV said - We all look like Saddam here because we all had the same grandfather. (tae that for what its worth)

- CNN was showing a bunch of pictures of Saddam through the years remarking how he always looked different every time he appeared in public.

[spanone]

4. Does this Saddam look like the guy firing the rifle on the balcony?

adjusting the tin foiler*&^%&^&(*&(

[monroncrief]

9. I think you'll find that

a common household collander is MUCH more effective!lol
So...how was he ID's?
can YOU tell the difference between S and ANY of his doubles? I couldn't!

[Redneck Socialist]

32. Don't the holes let the...

government, Illuminati, alien, mason mind control rays in? I'll stick with my tinfoil thank you very much. :tinfoilhat:

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[monroncrief]

8. The only thing

this article really did was to call into question "the story" that is put in ouir faces a milliom times in hopes that we don't question it. I have NO idea how we actually ID'd the guy, but,as with the numerous execution videos, there are some things that just don't add up.

[monroncrief]

11. I'll come back

and post the website that has pics of him vs a multiple of doubles- see if you can figure which is which- I can't.

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[Jim Warren]

27. dupe

[Must_B_Free]

31. No, your post is the dupe

I've seen the same thing on other threads

[Jim Warren]

33. Sorry there

I meant my post was the dupe, meant to post at the end of the string.

[Bjornsdotter]

5. I've Heard It

Hi,

I've heard the theory and I'm keeping an open mind.

It's been reported that Saddam Hussein has/had many doubles....so who knows.

Cheers,
Kim :shrug:

[monroncrief]

10. Exactly!

WHO the hell knows?

[boobooday]

12. They are apparently capable of anything

I'm sure it's possible.

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[rocktivity]

14. As the saying goes, if it sounds too good to be true, it must be

If it turned out to be true, I really don't know if I'll laugh or cry. On the other hand, remember Fat Osama!



:headbang:
rocknation

[KoKo]

26. The "fat Osama" and the many threads on when "Date Palms" bloom, here

on DU...Wouldn't it be something if someday all our speculation turned out to be true..I don't even want to think about that...

But, I remember scouring Google at 2 a.m. one morning looking for info about Iraqi Date palms. I know more than I ever wanted to know about how many varieties are in Iraq and that they all bloom at slightly different times. :eyes:

[Liberal_Dog]

15. I Have My Doubts

They got Saddam and, BAM, they confirmed his identity within hours. That's has always made me a little suspicious.

[Ms. Clio]

16. This is nutty, anti-Semitic bullshit

But in a way you have to feel sorry for these sick creatures who barely rate the title of 'human beings' nowadays. Eighty years ago, these Zionists were the ultimate financial power brokers who planned to enslave us all for at least a thousand years, but now their world is collapsing around their ears in a way they could never have imagined.

This is not an appropriate or credible source for DU, in my opinion.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. The author is definitely anti-Semitic, but I have to admit that the....

...story about the fake Saddam is more than a little intriguing.

[AntiCoup2K4]

34. Where's the anti semitism here?

Just because he suggests the fake "Shaddam" is a Mossad plant?

Considering we know Likud was very much part of the PNAC agenda, and that Israeli troops (and weapons) are, for a fact, in Iraq, how is it much of a leap to suggest that they might have supplied a fake Saddam?

I never bought the idea that Saddam would just crawl into a spider hole and surrender, nor even the cover story of the time that Kurds captured him. And I did think something wasn't quite right when Eazy & Queazy supposedly got whacked.

And in any case, the story certainly provides a plausible explanation for why Bremer got the Hell outa Dodge so fast. ;)

[foo_bar]

37. deniable plausibility

Detailed preparations for discreet biological warfare against the US Military were made in the late eighties, with Zionist-controlled pharmaceutical corporations developing a very special slow-acting and debilitating vaccine. In 1990 a "war with Iraq" was miraculously arranged by George Bush Senior, with more than half a million American servicemen then forcibly inoculated with the biological toxin during a six month period. The prime reason for this was quite simple. The Yisraelim were not keen to face a hardened and very experienced US military when the time came to invade the Americas, so took pre-emptive action.

If the Yisraelim invasion succeeds or even partially succeeds, reversing the fate of normal American people afterwards will be next to impossible without an effective two-tier command and control network, ironically very similar in nature to that of the Iraqi counter-insurgency forces today, who are being attacked and murdered wholesale by American troops under the overall direction of the same Zionist cabal in New York.

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/myahudi/fortress2.html

[geek tragedy]

49. I've got your anti-semitism

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/kosher.html

I recommend taking a shower afterwards.

[papau]

19. I agree - and the "quick ID" reflects DNA - and a prior capture date.

At least that is what is being said.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. Two sites verify the info on the .50 cal. rifle and the .50 cal. ammo....

Truvelo .50 sniper rifle (South Africa)
<http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn53-e.htm>

Excerpt:

This "heavy sniper" or "anti-materiel" rifle was developed by the South African company Truvelo Armory in the late 1990s. Like many other large caliber sniper rifles, this one is intended mostly for counter sniper role and anti-materiel work against unarmored vehicles, installations etc. The claimed accuracy with appropriate ammunition is 1 MOA, effective range is about 1500 meters but bullet could be lethal at much bigger ranges.
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Section One: The Capability of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle
<http://www.vpc.org/studies/duckone.htm>

Excerpt:

Raufoss Multipurpose (armor-piercing, explosive, incendiary) Ammunition. The crown jewel of 50 caliber sniper rifle ammunition is the Raufoss multi-purpose round, developed by a Norwegian company and manufactured under license by several companies, including Winchester. Said by experts to be the most popular round with U.S. military snipers,32 it was used to devastating effect by U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War.

Designated the MK211 by the U.S. military, the round combines armor-piercing, explosive, and incendiary effects and uses a "highly effective pyrotechnically initiated fuze... delays detonation of the main projectile charge until after initial target penetration—moving projectile fragmentation and damage effect inside the target for maximum anti-personnel and fire start effect."33 According to its developer, Nordic Ammunition Company (NAMMO), the round can be used in "sniper rifles similar to Barrett M82A1," has "the equivalent firing power of a 20 mm projectile to include such targets as helicopters, aircrafts , light armour vehicles, ships and light fortifications," and can ignite JP4 and JP8 military jet fuel.34

According to the Marine Corps, the Barrett "M82A1A...fires the .50-caliber RAUFOSS ammunition, which contains a tungsten penetrator and a more powerful explosive charge than the API ammunition...it has penetrated an inch of steel at 2000 yards."35 Jane's International Defense Review estimates that the round is "probably capable of disabling a man wearing body armor who is standing behind the wall of a house at 2,000m.... (and) can perforate the foundation of a high-rise building (20cm reinforced concrete) at 400m."36 Reasonable persons probably would agree that blasting through 20 centimeters (7.87 inches) of reinforced concrete from four football field's distance is an impressive performance.

[alittlelark]

42. Thank you .

this is a creepy strawman post.

[KoKo]

17. Only strange thing is that Media loved showing dirty grey haird, haggard

Saddam and all of a sudden he shows up for his trial looking fit with his hair and eyebrows dyed.

Now why, tell me would Bush want Saddam to look so nice? Including giving him hair dye. Isn't that a little odd? Wouldn't they want him to look old and grey but cleaner than the early photos, so that he would appear humbled by his capture?

Then Amanpour did say that he had been "lifting weights" to lose the flab he had when he was captured. That did strike me as odd. Did they have a full gym in his cell with a stairmaster? Why would this cruel administration go to such effort to make Saddam look nice?

That's all I find odd, but it is a little odd if one thinks about it long enough. I don't know about all that Mossad stuff, sounds like a hate site, but even "paranoids have enemies" as the saying goes. :shrug:

[papau]

20. Red Cross rules require the new clothes?

Motivation is always hard to guess -

but that would be my guess.

[EndElectoral]

22. What lab conducted the DNA test?

[KoKo]

25. We will never know.....remember it's all classified. You won't pry the

results out of their cold dead fingers even after they've passed the time when Presidential records can be held.

[KoKo]

24. Red Cross gives hair dye too! Geeze that's interesting. To a captured

terrorist who had WMD/RAPE PITS/Unmanned Drones...well you know Condi's drill...:D However, if you take it to real conspiracy level..they gave him the hair dye so he would look more like the real Saddam because they thought folks would catch on. ;-)'s

[spooked]

23. Will the REAL Saddam please stand up?

[donhakman]

30. In my expert opinion this is the same man that was captured

in the spider hole.

As for the claims of Mrs. Hussein, it is all hearsay at this point.

IF Moore wants a dynamite interview, he should call on her.

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Maybe they're playing chess.

[nolabels]

43. The REEL Saddam

This could be a movie soon. The guy is not........well you know

Flash Fun - The Real Hussein
http://www.toccionline.com/creations/realhussein/default.asp

[Straight Shooter]

28. Not just his teeth. Look at the difference in his eyebrows.

Saddam is just as vain and fastidious as bush. How do we explain the "bushy" eyebrows as compared to the streamlined brows, very distinctive, on the photos at the right?

Just askin'

[Jim Warren]

29. have seen the site and posted about it before

My question remains:

A guy who had the key to the Iraq national treasury, and wouldn't we be talking billions, and over a year of drumbeat from * ends up in a Styrofoam lined pit?

When the Shah of Iran fled into exile he took $50 billion.

[Beam Me Up]

35. Of course, you're right. --Which reality do we live in?

Do we live in a reality where government and media tell us the truth about what is going on most of the time or not?

As absolutely TERRIFYING as it is to think that there are armed terrorists possessing weapons of mass destruction that are enemies of the United States -- how much MORE terrifying is it to seriously consider that a group of militaristic thugs and madmen have taken control of the US corporate/military/governmental infrastructure and has the power and influence to deceive each and every one of us about what is actually going on?

Whose "reality" are we living? Whose "reality" do we "buy"? Do you think you know who you are, where you are, what you are -- who your friends are and who your enemy is? How do you know for sure? Who told you and why do you believe them?

It takes a certain kind of person to be willing to ask him or herself these kinds of questions. Most people never bother, in my opinion foolishly assuming that it is better for them to more or less accept things they way they "are" (or, at least, "seem" to be).

Others of us, however, are never quite satisfied with that. We want some sense of conviction that what we are being SOLD has some actual bearing on the "real" world. And there is, in deed, a "real" world. It touched all of us one Tuesday morning in September of 2001 as we all stood, together, repeating to ourselves ans one another, OH MY GOD! Oh My God. Some of us weren't the same before and more of us haven't been quite the same since.

I don't think we've seen ANYTHING yet. The "grand unveiling" of the "new reality" lies yet before us. The "unveiling" about which future generations will sing and tell stories; the one in which WE who ASK QUESTIONS AND SEARCH FOR SOMETHING WE CAN BELIEVE IN AS TRUTH are at long last vindicated.

Must the heart break open to receive the heavens unfolding?

Edit: clarity

[Ore]

36. What about the body doubles? Have any been found?

then again.. this might be moot since they wouldn't really publicize it too much.

[tritsofme]

38. Let's be realistic

if * was going to pull a fake Saddam out of his hat, it would be in Summer or Fall 2004, not December 2003.

[gandalf]

44. Interesting idea. But

why doesn't the author provide links to the mentioned Pravda articles? Or excerpts? That could furnish some more credibility.

on edit: I know that Pravda is published in Russian, but I'm sure one would find someone who could translate the key sentences...

[bklyncowgirl]

45. It's really Tom Selleck

Dude was having trouble finding roles for aging action heroes so one day he gets a call from Karl Rove saying "can you plan a Middle Eastern Dictator..."

[gandalf]

46. Here is the pravda link and an excerpt

http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/12494_saddam.html

The outcome of their meeting turned out to be quite scandalous. Sajina claims that the person she encountered was not her husband, but his double. If someone were to say for sure that it was not insinuation, it would have been easy to believe the wife with a 25-year experience. It is also possible to assume that Saddam has simply changed since the day of his sons' deaths, June 24 2003. This however is highly unlikely.

In case we believe Hussein"s wife, all DNA testing of the ex-Iraqi leader should be considered a mere fake. Overall, today there remain more questions then there are answers.

On the other hand however, those statements of Hussein's wife can in fact be quite understandable. After all, this is the easiest way to demoralize an enemy.

[Moderator]

47. monroncrief

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[geek tragedy]

48. Wow, a conspiracy theory linking to a Holocaust denial site!

Who'd have guessed?

[spooked]

50. Here's the Imposter!!