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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:38 PM
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Sen. Kerry & Edwards. You are on "double-secret probation."
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 10:30 PM by DemsUnite
I am vehemently opposed to our military presence in the Middle East. I believe the "War on Terrorism" is far more of an economic/energy policy than that of addressing national security concerns. In fact, I am convinced the more we trundle around attempting to police the world, the closer we come to the terrifying crescendo of an all-out systems failure. Civil war and/or revolution is certainly not out of the realm of possibilities, given our current trajectory.

Often, I hear the argument that our number one priority as voters (and activists) is to remove George W. Bush from the Whitehouse. I agree. However, while it is most certainly a worthy and necessary goal, I feel it is as equally important to actually stop killing in the name of "democracy," progress, religion or whatever ambiguous platitudes our elected officials are so fond of shoveling into the rhetorical feeding trough.

George W. Bush is a symptom; an outgrowth of a corrupt and failing system of governance. One in which a carefully crafted criminal network of political and corporate interests, can not only ignore the will of the people they are obligated to serve, but engineer and implement a deluded agenda to literally "change the world" via the barrel of a gun. All the while, stuffing their pockets with our money. We are in a diseased state, folks. If we are to take our nation back, and truly heal, we are going to have to at least start excepting the fact that we are very, very ill. Of course, the first step to a renewed health is to address any acute, life-threatening manifestations regarding the affliction. In short: Send BushCo. packing in November. Yes, by all means, remove the tumor.

Still, all of our efforts are in vain if we fail to embrace a regimen of preventative behavioral modification. This is true of most ailments. Quit smoking, get more exercise, change your eating and sleeping habits, manage stress, etc. Each lifestyle alteration requires a significant amount of discipline and sacrifice. It’s not always pleasant, and usually resisted. It is, however, one’s best bet to avoid relapse.

The road to recovery has just begun, compadres. When, (not if,) Senators Kerry and Edwards recite their oaths to uphold the Constitution of the United States, as President and Vice President respectively, I have every intention to make sure that is exactly what they do. They will toil tirelessly to put an end to an illegal military occupation, repeal legislation regarding the erosion of our rights and freedoms, and certainly hold those accountable for our current malaise. The U.S. government will stop killing in my name, with my tax dollars.

Like most, I am forgiving both men for the parts they played in enabling the execution of the PNAC agenda. I will bite my tongue when they chase after the moderate center with Republicrat rhetoric. While they deserve a chance at redemption, it shall be a cautious one. We as their constituency need to make it perfectly clear that we expect real electoral, governmental, and media reform, or we will not only walk away, but work just as passionately to remove one our own as we did our opponent. And be perfectly willing, and prepared, to actually do it. Prove that it is no idle threat.

Senators, you are officially on notice. There will be no honeymoon.

(edited for grammar)
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:44 PM
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1. Well said
I agree 100%, though at the moment I really lack the belief that anything like the change you speak of will ever, ever happen.

Not trying to flame or anything...I'm just feeling quite morose at the mo'. :(
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:48 PM
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2. Get positive, missy!


:D
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:53 PM
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5. Sorry, did I say something wrong?
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 10:03 PM by dolo amber
Pardon me for breathing, which I never do anyway so I don't know why I bother to say it, oh God I'm so depressed.

;)


:loveya: back atcha. :)

edit: This is a quote from Marvin in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I'm not THAT much of a drama queen...:eyes:

;)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:55 PM
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6. Don't be depressed, D.
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 10:03 PM by Fenris
That makes me sad. :cry::(

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:01 PM
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9. Hang in there!
Everythings gonna be okay , America!

Peace and low stress,
I'm prayin for ya!
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:53 PM
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4. Another morose here......
I don't think we have the generations it will take to make those changes......

And, many of us will be dead of an unthinking populace long before that promised land comes into view.

Kanary
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:52 PM
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3. Geez
Go vote for Nader if that's your opinion.

The war on terror is real. Unfortunately Bush and the neocons decided to exploit 9/11 to settle a personal grudge against Saddam and in the process ended up getting us in deeper shit.

In these times I'd rather have a president with some military experience like John Kerry as opposed to a wastrel like G DUHbya who never got anything without daddy's help.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:01 PM
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10. Do you really want to say that where everyone can see?
The war on terror is real? And so, you'd rather have a president who was a lieutennant than one who was on cocaine so we can go beat The Terror?

Don't get me wrong; I'll be voting for John Kerry. More accurately, I'll be voting against George Bush and for the memory of the good liberal Kerry was in the Senate. But I don't for a minute delude myself into thinking that "the war on terror" is a) a war or b) something that hasn't been blown WAY out of proportion in order to feed the military-industrial beast. And I don't think that Kerry is without qualifications, but it's not like his Vietnam service is going to give him that extra umph to go fight a fake war vis. GWB.

One other thing: quit telling people how to fucking vote.

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:03 PM
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12. ah, good old dems
way to court the vote! LOL
God help Kerry and Co!
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:57 PM
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7. Speaking only for myself
No one is on "probation" with me. I 100% support the Democratic ticket to beat Bush/Cheney, even though Kerry and Edwards were WAY down the list of my favorites.

I supported
1)Graham
2)Clark
3)Edwards

in that order

Dean was next, then Kerry.

Now my team is Kerry/Edwards.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 09:58 PM
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8. I feel better after reading your thread
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 10:02 PM by mdmc
thank you.

I supported Nader in 96 & 2000, and will vote for Cobb in NYS. However, outside of DU and the voting booth, I'm behind the dems 100% this year.

NY - Lets get down to O-Hio and GOTV!
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FascistAdder Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:02 PM
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11. I'm with you...
I suggest we approach on all fronts.

1. Protest at the media outlets
2. start passing out boycott lists for any and all corporations that have shown an inkling of irresponsibility in both their in country and out of country business dealings.
3. publishing information handouts
4. massive strikes with people not showing up to work in large numbers and for many days or more.
5. use of the internet for informational media as well.

This is a war that American's have been most remiss in not taking up sooner. It is long overdue.
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dolo amber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:06 PM
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13. You have to pry
them away from their tellys first. Oh, that and jumpstart their brains.

Good luck!!:hi:
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FascistAdder Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:15 PM
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14. You know it seems...
I watched some thing on sci-fi channel once that was really orwellian. It was this show that made like they have been putting TV cameras behind the tv screens to watch families as they watch the tube and some big troll CEO like Rupert Murdoch would sit in his designer office and surf through the families to figure out how to sell crap from china to them better and politically manipulate them like little borg. You think an idea like this would scare them away from the TV? As it happens they already do this but I don't think they have gotten advanced enough to figure out how to hide a camera behind the TV screen.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 11:07 PM
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19. ssssshhhhh!!!!!
psssst <wisper>
TIVO watches YOU and sends info back to the owners.
Pass it on.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:21 PM
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15. Could not have said it better....I agree totally
I'm on board the Kerry/Edwards train but it's not a joy ride.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:35 PM
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16. Well, with the way the Goppers talk about how "liberal" they are
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 10:39 PM by Cats Against Frist
-- supposedly the No. 1 and No. 4 most "liberal" senators -- you'd think we were trying to elect Gandhi and Joe Stalin to the ticket.

I applaud your post, and I hope you're right -- not only that people will keep after them, but that they will complete the vision that they are trying to tote for "little guy/little gal," and put some kind of goddamn sanity back into this nation.

The GOP combo of the religiously delusional and the corpo-fascists scares the holy living fuck out of me, so any alternative is a good thing -- but I would like to see some REAL values come into play in this nation again -- community, humility, respect, HONESTY -- honesty about who these terrorists are and why they hate us, and why we'll never change it through the barrel of a gun or foreign policy based on clearing the way for capital.

I want to hear the REAL issues come out in the public arena. That's what I hope for. Not this watered down, nationalistic bull that the GOP has shoved down our throats since the Contract on America.

I want some clarity. I hope these guys do something.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 11:43 PM
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21. LOL ... great name you've got, CAF
A belated welcome to you.
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freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:42 PM
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17. Excellent post!
They may get in because thye're not as bad as Bush, but they're going to have to work. No free ride here.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 10:48 PM
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18. My sentiments exactly
Thank you for a thoughtful post. Its a bad idea to deify any politician
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 11:10 PM
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20. Well said. I am with you.
I want to extend this notice to the entire Democratic Party.
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Trekologer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 11:50 PM
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22. I disagree...
I can give them a slide on voting for the Iraq war resolution. The fact is that our President (yes, alas, little shrub is our president acting in our name as Americans) and his administration lied to everyone about the Iraq connection and its threat. Their argument was quite convincing though now we know it was made from fake "evidence" they did not know that at the time. The fact that they can now say that they were wrong speaks a lot. Little shrub can't admit that he was wrong.

And we're not killing using your tax dollars. We're killing using your CHILDRENS' tax dollars. Remember that. The war we are fighting on borrowed funds will cost them about 8 times the current price to repay.
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:13 AM
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23. Perhaps...
IF you supported the war when it started.

Many many did not support the war.


IF you too fell for the lies.

I for one didn't care whether they were true or not. What happened was a crime. When someone commits a crime we don't shoot people indiscriminately. We arrest them, haul them before the relevant court of law and ask the judge to apply the proper penalty.




I do however REALLY appreciate your point about the funding and cost of the war. Honestly, that alone brings my reaction to your post up to about 50/50

Welcome to DU. I hope you enjoy the debate.

{rlg}
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:16 PM
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24. Good point regarding tax dollars
Welcome to DU.
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