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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:00 AM
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Repub friend insists O'Reilly grew up poor
He said some recent article had proof to O'Reilly's claim that he grew up in a poor working class family. I thought Franken had disproved that, but he insisted that this article is in response to Franken and that Franken was wrong or took something out of context?

Is this true? I would like to rebut my friend. I had heard a bit of Franken's rebuttal on AAR, but was so busy with moving last week, that I only heard a bit of it.

He also says O'Reilly came clean on his award (Polk or Peabody)- but, I thought Billy boy said that he was confused about the awards, and that somebody in that line of work said confusing a Polk & a Peabody is like an actor confusing an Oscar & a People's Choice Award and that Franken said Billy Boy's old show won the less prestigious award after he had left the show.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:03 AM
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1. Yeah Bill, a measly $35,000 income early 1970s made you "working class"
My ass. I grew up way back then, and believe me, $35K in 1972 was solidly and comfortably middle class. What a fucking fake.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:17 AM
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Equivalent to over $150K in 2003 dollars according to the CPI calculator
Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 11:18 AM by Logansquare
My dad was making not quite 12K in 1972. I had no idea we were poor, but if Bill says so...
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yolatengo Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:27 AM
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15. hahahahaha
$35000 in 1970? My parents, who BOTH worked in what I thought were
'middle class jobs' (he a mechanic, she an office manager at a small
business) made about $12000 in 1970. I thought we had it good! Oh,
and I ALSO grew up in a 'Levittown' community (in PA).

On my student loan forms in the mid-80's, my parents' combined
incomes (when they weren't laid off due to Reaganomics) was in the
mid to upper $30k's.

What a fucking, FUCKING, lying asshole. Median income in 1970 was
about $11000 (for 4 person households), which is about $44000 in
today's dollars. $35000 is more like $125000 in today's dollars.

O'Really's story is a story for morons. "Ohhh, my poor sainted daddy
"only" made $35000 a year! We were poor! Waaaaah!". Just don't ask
him what YEAR his daddy made $35000.

You can look up mean and median incomes here:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/h11.html

I HATE this fucking class warfare bullshit. It's ONLY allowed by
Republicans. The couch it on THEIR terms and beat down ANY
lib who challenges their shit. Like Bush's "aw shucks, I'm just
a poor Texas rancher that done pulled me up by my bootstraps".

Meanwhile, REAL bootstrappers, like John Edwards, are "rich
white trial lawyers". Never mind they're the first in their family
to EVER go to college (and they probably didn't get in as a
LEGACY, either).

Bigby



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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:14 PM
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22. My father, a teacher, didn'tt make $35K until the 80s
And that after 20 years of service.

O'Reichley and your friend are full of shit.
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:04 AM
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2. I believe that Al Frankin went to the source...
O'Lielly's Mother. Mrs. O'Reilly was quite proud of her upper middle class home! It seems her husband was an accountant with a good corporate job. One that places them squarely in the upper middleclass. This is from memory please check out "Lies and the Lying Liers Who Tell Them" by Frankin.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:09 AM
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5. Yes. She said they always took nice vacations to Florida
and had a solid middle class lifestyle.

Maybe this guy should get al frankens latest book.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:12 AM
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7. my friend said the article was in response to Franken
And had new proof that Franken was wrong.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:19 AM
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13. So just to be clear. . .
Bill O'Rielly is calling his own MOTHER a liar? Oh, that cracks me up.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:05 AM
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3. So What Difference Does It Make If O'Reilly Grew Up Poor?
I think the whole argument is nothing but a misdirection.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:11 AM
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6. true, but
My friend is using this one claim of falsehood to discredit Franken's whole book...

I thought I had heard on Franken that O'Reilly is a contributing editor or managing editor of the publication that wrote the article.

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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:14 AM
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11. One falsehood...
By that criteria O'Lielly's whole career is dicredited!
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:13 AM
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10. because it is his bogus marketing strategy "who's looking out for you"
he's always crapping on the elites and spews out he's looking out for the regular folks..blah blah non stop.


Blows his BS image he's created
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:05 AM
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4. I Saw The Neighborhood O'Really
Grew up in. It was cookie-cutter suburbia. I feel like I've got it pretty good, but I don't have it THAT good. Saying O'Really was poor is an insult to the millions in poverty.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:12 AM
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8. O'Reilly is the son of an accountant, and he went to private school
O'Reilly is the son of an accountant, and he went to private school and a private college.

Al Franken spoke about this in Minnesota last night:

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_essay_2004_07_06_al_franken_spoke_at_a_labor_hall.asp
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:13 AM
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9. Poor of soul, poor of charity, poor of character... and not changed. n/t
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:17 AM
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12. Pardon my tangent, but you know what bugs me about O'Reilley's
Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 11:18 AM by Cat Atomic
blue collar routine? It's an over the top caricature of a working class man. All his body language and speech is just insulting on some level. I grew up in a very working class environment myself. Working class guys don't act like O'Reilley.

He's like a weasley accountant doing a bad impression of a peeon. He's an annoying little rat of a man.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:19 AM
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14. No, he didn't
He grew up middle, middle-class on Long Island. Same as me.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:32 AM
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16. I don't have the info in front of me now ...
And I'm getting ready to leave for work, so I don't have time to look it up, but the argument was over whether O'Really was raised in Levittown (a solidly working class suburb) or the neighboring suburb, which was a little more upwardly mobile. Apparently, he grew up right on the edge, and Franken said he didn't live in Levittown like O'Really claimed. There's some argument over whether the address is a Levittown address, and O'Really is making a big deal over it. I live in a middle-class 'burb right next to an upper middle class 'burb, and I know how much status there is in living in the zip code for the upper middle class 'burb even if you don't actually live in the corporation limits of it, so this is really just a pissing match over a zip code, sounds like to me.

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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:36 AM
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17. Is that the one where he claimed he was from the "Woodbury section"...
...of Levittown? (Which is a crock, since they're two different areas. And Woodbury is the older one.)

He may not have been in the North Shore Gold Coast, but he wasn't with the ditch-diggers either. His neighborhood was your basic better-off-than-average section of suburbia, domain of minor professionals.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:51 AM
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19. Lots of WRONG Information in this thread !!!!

You guys are close, but most are wrong.

O'Reilly graduated from Chaminade High School in Long Island in 1967, a year in which 10,000 Americans, some younger then O'Reilly, died in Vietnam. And in these years, 1967-1968, O'Reilly would have to register for the draft and then make a decision. While America's lower economic classes were being drafted or enlisting there was a ways out for many of the despised liberal elite. It was called the college deferment followed by graduate school.

Yet O'Reilly, at his age and single, was high priority draftee material yet never enlisted or was drafted and his record of the Vietnam era remains blank. Today's - but not yesterday's - super patriot, entered Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York in the fall of 1967. He was active as a columnist for the student newspaper The Circle as well as a member of the football team which meant he suffered no great physical handicap which would exempt him from military service.

O'Reilly spent his junior year, 1969-1970 at the University of London.

Then, in the fall of 1970, he returned to Marist College from England, rejoined the football team and graduated in 1971 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in history. In that year, 1971, American deaths in Vietnam passed the forty-five thousand marker.

Additionally, at the time of O'Reilly's graduation, a draft extension bill was passed along with what was then known as the Mansfield Amendment which set a national policy of withdrawing troops from Vietnam 9 months after the bill's enactment (wording was later softened to the "earliest practical date"). It was the first time in modern US history that Congress had urged an end to a war in which the country was actively involved

Yet after graduation, and with the conscription law and the draft lottery in full force, O'Reilly would never be inducted. Instead, he was off to Florida where he took a job teaching at a high school. Two years later, in 1973, he was back in college at Boston University for a master's degree in broadcast journalism. By that time he finished at Boston U., the draft and the war were history. And neither would ever play any part in the life of one of America's most vocal defenders of patriotic ways and values.

O'Reilly makes much of his "working class" upbringing in Levittown, Long Island. His book's dust-jacket bio begins: "Bill O'Reilly rose from humble beginnings to become a nationally known broadcast journalist," and O'Reilly says his father, who retired in 1978, "never earned more than $35,000 a year in his life."

On July 9, O'Reilly harshly criticized his guest James Wolcott for repeating in a Vanity Fair article the claim that O'Reilly's father made $35,000 in the 60's. O'Reilly stated that his father's salary had "topped out at $35,000 in 1980, when he took a disability settlement after 30 years at the company." O'Reilly was so proud of his performance that he posted a transcript on his show's web site.

O'Reilly practically fetishizes his "working-class background." He grew up, he often says, in Levittown, N.Y., the famed postwar tract suburb on Long Island. He recalls a childhood of secondhand cars, a small home with one bathroom, summer vacations to Miami aboard a Greyhound bus, a father "who never earned more than $35,000 a year in his life." He frequently tells the story of how, in high school, the better-off kids scorned him for his "two sports coats," bought at the unfashionable Modell's. Even today, O'Reilly says, he drives a used car.

Time out Bill. Let's try that "no spin" thing out here.

"Working class" is formally defined as follows:

The socioeconomic class consisting of people who work for wages, especially low wages, including unskilled and semiskilled laborers and their families. " The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition."

BTW, an Oil Company accountant is NOT working class. His father was an accountant for an oil company.

O'Reilly actually grew up in Westbury, Long Island, according to his mother Angela, who still lives in the Levitt-built house Bill grew up in. Westbury Long Island is a "middle-class suburb a few miles from Levittown," where he attended a private school (Washington Post, 12/13/00). His late father, William O'Reilly Sr., was a currency accountant with Caltex, an oil company; Angela "Ann" O'Reilly was a homemaker who also worked as a physical therapist.

While hardly well off, the O'Reillys - Mom, Dad, Bill Jr. and his younger sister, Janet - weren't exactly deprived, either. Both children attended private school, and the family sent Bill to Marist College, a private college in Poughkeepsie, N.Y., as well as the University of London for a year, without financial aid btw.

O'Reilly's father was a frugal man and a wise investor. His son acknowledges in his book that his father bequeathed "a very nice chunk of change" to his mother upon his death in 1986. As for Dad never earning more than $35,000, what O'Reilly doesn't mention is that Dad retired in 1978, when a $35,000 income was the equivalent of $92,000 in today's dollars.

That would put his dad in the top 10% of income earners in 1980. That is not working class !

Want Proof - look up what a $35,000 income in 1978 is worth in todays dollars -

whats a dollar worth:

http://woodrow.mpls.frb.fed.us/economy/calc/cpihome.html

look up what the what the median income was in 1978:

http://www.census.gov/hhes/income/histinc/f05.html







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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:32 PM
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25. According to the AIER calculator
$35,000 in 1978 would be equal to $100,490.80 in 2004.

Working class? Hardly.

http://www.aier.org/colcalc.html
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:40 PM
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27. Thanks stewert!
I lost the link to your O'Reilly sucks website - can you post here or send it to me via PM?

Thanks
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 11:41 AM
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18. Hammer it down: What Schools did he go to?
Why do I have the suspicion he was the "rich" weenie among genuinely blue-collar classmates.

Or wait... didn't he go to a Catholic School? That meant Mom & Pop could afford tuition. (Though I still have the suspicion about the "weenie" part...)
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:09 PM
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20. Yep.......

He went to private schools full of millionaires kids, and his dad was a cheapskate, so he just thought he was middle class. But the working class part is a total lie. An oil company accountant is not working class.

Truck drivers, dock workers, etc. are working class. My dad worked in a union on a shipping dock of a fortune 100 printing company in 1980 and he made about $12,000 a year. In 1980 $35,000 a year was upper middle class, way upper middle class. Hell I only made $28,000 a year in 1993 at a top paid Journeyman Cutter working for International Paper Company. And I worked in a 100 degree building sweating my ass off doing manual labor. And his dad was making $35k in 1980 ?

I made about $10,000 a year in 1980, I got $6.50 an hour as a finisher in the bindrey. You tape boxes of labels shut and carry them to skids, the boxes weighed anywhere from 50 to 100 pounds, and we did it in a 100 degree (or more) building. And that $6.50 an hour was good money around here in 1980. I can not imagine making $35k a year in 1980.

That's working class.

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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:24 PM
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24. The schools O'Lielly went to
Private school for elementary and high school.

Marist College and the University of London for higher education.

Never used any financial aid to pay for his college expenses. In other words, his "poor" father was able to pay his way through.
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:56 PM
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29. Don't Forget His Sister !

His poor father also sent Bills sister to most of those private schools with no financial aid. My parents could barely afford to get me and my brother through grade school and high school, let alone private schools.

In Peoria $35k a year in 1980 was probably more like $150k a year in todays money. In Chicago it was probably equal to $90k a year. The cost of living is a lot lower here than in Chicago.

On top of spending all that money to send Bill and his sister to private schools etc. his dad also left his mom a lot of money when he died. It seems his dad was a cheapskate except for the money he spent on their education. He was saving it all up to leave the family when he died.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:10 PM
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21. He grew up?
I thought he was kinda stuck at about 2-3. :shrug:
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:20 PM
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23. O'Reilly's "blue collar" upbringing is pure fiction
His father was a currency accountant for Caltex. The $35,000 he was making when he retired in 1970's would be equal to more than $100,000 today.

Bill's "poor" family was also able to pay his way through Marist College, and one year abroad at the University of London.

This article is from 2000, but it's the first to expose O'Reilly's "working class" roots, and completely debunk them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A62722-2000Dec12?language=printer
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:36 PM
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26. I'm not sure
that "morally bankrupt" is the same thing as "poor". I remember when I was 19 in 1972, my dad wanted me to get a job with a pharmaceutical company making a fortune! That fortune was 20K, and at that time, it was a fortune.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 12:42 PM
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28. Bogus bio
besides, I didn't think that there were any poor Republicans. :silly:

A&E Biography article on O'Reilly covered his not-so-humble beginnings, draft dodging, uh, I mean deferment, and TV career.

I didn't like O'Reilly until I saw the article on him. Now, I loathe him, the sorry slack rat bastard!
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