Which comes first; chicken or egg?

[OnionPatch]

I keep reading posts where a liberal is disgusted with the candidates for not sharing their urgency on certain liberal values and so decide not to even bother to support them. I wanted to address this in another post but decided to start my own so as not to highjack it. I'd love to hear opinions on this.
In my view, the candidate is chosen to reflect the values the people hold, not the other way around. What I'm saying is this: YOU and I are the ones who have to work to change public opinion before a candidate who we like even has a chance to win! Does no one understand this or am I on the wrong track? I'm sorry that a more liberal candidate doesn't have the chance to win but I don't blame the whole Democratic party for this. The candidate we choose needs a chance to WIN this election. Sorry to say, some of these very liberal values are not as widely held by the public, thus the candidate who holds these values will probably not win. My point is this.....WE are the ones who have to work to change public opinion. Only then will we be able to have candidates we REALLY want and REALLY hold our values. We can't expect some super-hero, super-liberal candidate to jump onto the scene and think he's just going to magically change everyone's thinking over to our side and win. We have to work hard, all of us, to affect public opinion before any of our "dream" candidates have a chance to win!
What are your thoughts?

[bryant69]

1. In agreement

I mean that's the first rule of the playground is that sometimes you dont get you way. Sometimes the other kids don't want to play the game you want to, or want you to play left field when you want shortstop. How a kid handles that situation tells you a lot about his character.

We are playing in a field with a lot of other kids who don't agree with us; so let's convince the kids that our way is right, then we can fire the coach.

OK, that metephor may have gone a little further than it should have, but you get my point.

Bryant
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[Q]

2. Just WHICH 'liberal values' aren't highly held?

- Can you identify them?

- And...if we keep choosing candidates that have the 'best chance' to win rather than those who reflect traditional democratic values...just how will we stop the party's slide to the right?

- With this sort of logic...progressives will NEVER be given a chance to govern...especially now that the Democratic Left has to fight off smears from both the right and new conservative left.

[OnionPatch]

3. Well, I don't know if that was a good choice of words

that "certain liberal values aren't as highly held" but what I meant is that Joe Public in general is not as concerned with, say, corporate corruption, fighting for better wages, anti-war views, etc.
I agree with Thom Hartman that we need to infiltrate the Democratic party and sway them to the left instead of just abandoning them. I guess what I mean is that we need to work to change opinion instead of just sitting around dreaming that a super-liberal will come out of nowhere and just win and then getting mad when that doesn't happen. If we work hard to sway opinion and enlighten others, then our candidates WILL eventually have the best chance to win, but I can't see that happening now. Just my opinion.

[bryant69]

4. I think there's also a question of how we frame the issues

It's a matter of education; I don't understand how too many people who understand how much Corporate Corruption costs them wouldn't get upset. I don't see how people could be opposed to better wages. And the way this war has gone, I don't see how too many people, if we communicate with them, won't be at least concerned at the way this war has been conducted.

In my opinion, the real wedge issues are the social issues; gay rights and abortion. They are issues which are intensely important to some people, and less important to others.

Bryant

[westsidexview]

5. i agree

part of the problem is that there are alot of mouthy aflac ducks in the left that by virtue of their obnoxiousness and incredibly pathetic mental smallness alienate the silent majority from the issues that concern them. it's like their foul breath odor reeks through their posts. human relations education and simple manners is the first order for the left to rise from the dead. being hostile and always bristling in attack mode makes people sick to their stomachs.

[westsidexview]

6. i agree

part of the problem is that there are alot of mouthy aflac ducks in the left that by virtue of their obnoxiousness and incredibly pathetic mental smallness alienate the silent majority from the issues that concern them. it's like their foul breath odor reeks through their posts. human relations education and simple manners is the first order for the left to rise from the dead. being hostile and always bristling in attack mode makes people sick to their stomachs.

[cheezus]

7. The EGG!

many species had ovums far before chickens came into existance.

[OnionPatch]

8. Thanks!

I always wondered that.
:hi: