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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:31 PM
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Jewish neoconservatives led US into Iraq
Jewish neoconservatives led US into Iraq

"The Insider" mailing list article, 07 July 2004.

An elite group of unelected Jewish neoconservatives and Zionists admit that they, not the US government, are responsible for the American policy on Iraq.

Last year, the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, interviewed the real policy-makers behind America's invasion of Iraq, who admitted: "we are responsible for what is happening".

These men openly confirm what most people have already realized about the true reasons for the war on Iraq. They reveal that that, deep down, the war on Iraq was not about finding WMD or removing a dictatorship. The war on Iraq is just part of their plan "for the shaping of a new Middle East". For some individuals, the riches of Iraq's oil alone was enough of an incentive. The ultimate agenda is to change the world.

Those who follow the Israeli media can sometimes gain a privileged insight into future events too. For example, if the conquest of Iraq is successful, which it was, the next step is "to go on to other Arab states after Iraq".

The shadowy figures who control the US government, whose faces are not as public as George Bush, intend "to create a new world order". With America at their disposal, they have the power to make it happen.

More: http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=516


This from the Haaretz article of 4 May 2003:

The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical.

<snip>

This from Friedman:

"When I think about what is going to happen, I break into a sweat, Friedman says. I see us being forced to impose a siege on Baghdad. And I know what kind of insanity a siege on Baghdad can unleash. The thought of house-to-house combat in Baghdad without international legitimacy makes me lose my appetite. I see American embassies burning. I see windows of American businesses shattered. I see how the Iraqi resistance to America connects to the general Arab resistance to America and the worldwide resistance to America. The thought of what could happen is eating me up.

What George Bush did, Friedman says, is to show us a splendid mahogany table: the new democratic Iraq. But when you turn the table over, you see that it has only one leg. This war is resting on one leg. But on the other hand, anyone who thinks he can defeat George Bush had better think again. Bush will never give in. That's not what he's made of. Believe me, you don't want to be next to this guy when he thinks he's being backed into a corner. I don't suggest that anyone who holds his life dear mess with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush.

Is the Iraq war the great neoconservative war? It's the war the neoconservatives wanted, Friedman says. It's the war the neoconservatives marketed. Those people had an idea to sell when September 11 came, and they sold it. Oh boy, did they sell it. So this is not a war that the masses demanded. This is a war of an elite. Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened."

More: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=280279

TYY
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:33 PM
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1. Dick Cheney's Jewish
Oy Vey....
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:34 PM
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3. Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell aren't Jewish, either (nt)
nt
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:40 PM
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11. Actually . . .
. . . the neoconservatives suggested in the article don't include Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell or even Dick Cheney.

"An elite group of unelected Jewish neoconservatives and Zionists admit that they, not the US government, are responsible for the American policy on Iraq"

TYY
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:42 PM
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12. Pesky Jews
Always pulling the strings of their Gentile puppets..


NOT
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:21 PM
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28. Those Jews
They're Wacky!

They're more afraid of you than you are of them really.

(sarcasm for the humor impaired)
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:32 PM
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33. Are you saying that Cheney, Powell and Rumsfeld
were elected? Otherwise I don't see the point of your emphasis.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:04 PM
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18. Nope, but this was a case where the Armageddon obsessed
evangelical wack jobs found their interest coinciding exactly with that of the neocon, rabidly Zionist wack jobs in the Pentagon, you know, that "cabal" of Feith, Woflowitz and Perle.

Don't kid yourselves. The rabid Zionists played a big part, the evangelical wack jobs played a big part, and the PNAC imperialists played a big part.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:16 PM
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26. I Don't See Your Point
Support for the invasion of Iraq transcended race, religion, and party politics...


Hell it even transcend ideology... You had folks on the left supporting the invasion...
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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:33 PM
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2. Here's another great story from the Insider!
Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 05:34 PM by oldhat
http://www.theinsider.org/news/columbus_report.asp

WHY DID CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS CLAIM THAT AN ANCIENT PROPHECY LED HIM TO DISCOVER THE AMERICAS AND ESTABLISH THE NEW WORLD?

You probably learned a bit about Christopher Columbus at school, but one documented historical fact that you probably overlooked is that Columbus believed his discovery of the New World was necessary to fulfil an ancient prophecy!

What exactly did Christopher Columbus mean when, circa 1500 AD, he wrote about America in one of his famous letters: "God made me the messenger of the new heaven and the new earth of which he spoke in the Apocalypse of St John after having spoken of it through the mouth of Isaiah; and he showed me the spot where to find it."<1>

Christopher Columbus produced a famous book, "Book of Prophecies"<2>, containing over 200 biblical and patristic passages which he compiled, but how many people realise why?



"The Insider" present a serious examination of the mysterious influences<3> which, from behind the scenes, shape America and Western civilisation.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:35 PM
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4. The Christians, of course,
had nothing to do with it. Mere innocent bystanders.
And your point in posting this is?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:36 PM
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5. A candor seldom seen in Imperial Pravda
I don't suggest that anyone who holds his life dear mess with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and President Bush.

I'm guessing Carnahan and Wellstone (and possibly JFK Jr. too) learned that in their last seconds of life.

And yes, it certainly makes sense these MONSTERS have more than one October Surprise waiting for us.

And after 2005, so much more. Some we will recognize, some will be in spiffy new packages to mask their Old Stench.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:37 PM
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6. Opinions Among Jews Didn't Differ Much From Other Groups...
NT
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:38 PM
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7. George Bush....
is jewish? hmmmm.....
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:38 PM
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10. He's Not Smart Enough
-:)
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:38 PM
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8. Ignorant..
why even post something so stupid?
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:15 PM
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24. I can think of one reason
n/t
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:30 PM
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32. You might also ask
why The Insider essentially rehashes a Ha'aretz article that is over a year old ... with virtually nothing new added. Slow news day, I guess ... bring out the Jews!!
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Sliverofhope Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:38 PM
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9. While I think the far-right rabid Zionist angle
Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 05:40 PM by Sliverofhope
in getting us into war probably has been underexplored, the whole Jewish angle makes it distasteful. You don't have to be Jewish to be a rabid far right Zionist. Just look at all of the Christians who want the Jews to die for the second coming. It's sick.

Damn anti-Semitism for being disgusting, and making a complicated issue even more so.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:51 PM
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13. Does anyone else in this thread realize that Friedman is talking...
...about the NeoCons that formed PNAC and wrote documents like "Rebuilding America's Defenses"?

Here's a great site containing the names of contributing PNAC members:

<http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=PNAC#Personnel>

Scroll down to find the list of the original 25 signers.

Pay particular attention to one of the three major funders of PNAC...his name is VERY familiar.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:59 PM
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16. Alot Of Non Jews In That Group...
NT
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:06 PM
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20. I don't recall discussing it, one way or the other. That's not my point.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:08 PM
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22. I Know...
NT
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:08 PM
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21. I don't think they do . . .
. . . they stopped reading after they read the word 'jewish'.

TYY
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:39 PM
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38. I do.
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Tina H Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:55 PM
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14. Easy there
Zionist groups contribute more to the Democratic Party than fundies do. So let's stop criticizing the Zionists, and focus exclusively on criticism of fundies, so that we don't kill the cash cow in this election year. Once President Kerry is safely in office, maybe then we can take a more critical look at Zionism.

Your sentiment is sympathized with -- it is just your timing that is bad right now.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 05:57 PM
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15. There's A Good Time For Anti-Semitism ?
NT
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Dardi Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:19 PM
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27. Sure
Any time you don't need Jew money to get elected. At least, that seems to be the pattern.
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Tina H Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:43 PM
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39. I am not sure what you mean by anti-Semitism
do you mean anti-Jewish or anti-Zionism?

I can't really answer until I get a clarification on this point. Moreover, as I said before, we really should postpone this discussion until the Zionists and other Democrats have worked together in a team effort to get Kerry into the Presidency. Then there will be plenty o' time for introspection and vigorous discussion.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:02 PM
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17. I guess I shouldn't be surprised . . .
. . . by the kneejerk sentiment of some of the posters in this thread. I suggest that those posters who panic every time they see the word "jewish" posted at DU, read the Haaretz article in its entirety. An article written by a jewish man (Ari Shavit) and posted on the website of a respected Israeli newspaper (Haaretz Daily).

"Washington is a small city. It's a place of human dimensions. A kind of small town that happens to run an empire. A small town of government officials and members of Congress and personnel of research institutes and journalists who pretty well all know one another. Everyone is busy intriguing against everyone else; and everyone gossips about everyone else.

In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit."


http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=280279

TYY
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:05 PM
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19. Ari Shavit Lost All Credibility With Me
When he said Charles Krauthammer was "handsome"...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:15 PM
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25. I see what you are saying, but I also realize why some would
want to tread lightly when it comes to singling outthe Jewish members of this political movement. There is a real wave of anti-semitism that is starting to rise again, not only in the country, but in the world, and since the majority of Jews are innocent of any such covert practices, it makes the issue very delicate in nature.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:12 PM
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23. And The Gnomes of Zürich
Control the International Monetary Fund and the Girl Scouts!

Long Live The Orbital Mind Control Lasers!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:24 PM
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29. Lunacy and insanity--they go together so well
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:27 PM
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30. I must have bought the extended dance remix of Order of the Phoenix
The book, called 'Order of the Phoenix', contains 666 pages excluding the prologue,

I have 204 extra pages! That's not even the neighbor of the beast. It's at least a few blocks down.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:28 PM
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31. Let's see: Chalabi boasted he was responsible for Iraq war, Bush
boasted he was going to cause chaos in the Middle East and reform
the Middle East into democracies, Saudi Arabia sponsored Wahabeeism
to form the middle east into an Islamic continent, and the asshole
bigots point at 5 asshole jews in the Pentagon as the cause of the
war in Iraq, but forget about Chalabi, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and the
fascist imperialist colonialists in America.

When are you passing out the yellow stars Tee Yi Yi.

Nasty stuff you're promoting.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:37 PM
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:38 PM
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36. I Could Do Without The Graphic
NT
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:39 PM
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37. Not bigots claiming is this article
"and the asshole bigots point at 5 asshole jews in the Pentagon as the cause of the war in Iraq"

It's not the KKK saying this in this article - it's the people involved - are they "self haters" - personally I don't think of this as a Jewish thing or even a Zionist thing (they are NOT the same thing BTW you can be anti-Zionist AND a Jew) but a power thing in which plenty of "christians" are involved in too.

Pallas180 - I think your remark about yellow stars was pretty unfair.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:43 PM
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40. Just Because You're Jewish, Black, Asian Etcetera
doesn't innoculate you from the consequences of your statements...


To single out a few right wing Jewish intellectuals as the catalyst for our invasion of Iraq is just plain stupid...
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:37 PM
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34. The Insider
Is the personal, vanity website of one Tim Acheson who evidently has yet to see a conspiracy he didn't like. While I am not knocking the influence of groups like PNAC in shaping the course of current Policy, the truth is that they are one of many incestuous Neo-Con fronts, each with it's own various marketing message. The list is actually fairly extensive, but whose funding is primarily conducted by core groups like The Heritage Foundation, Olin, and Scaife.

This focus on the Jewish/Zionist groups smacks either of pure ignorance of the relationship to these Neo-Con fronts or of a desire to view some sort of Jewish-led Illuminati conspiracy.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-07-04 06:44 PM
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41. Locking.......
This is flamebait.


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