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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 09:45 AM
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How is Nader not a hypocrite?
Every time I feel that this guy Nader is someone who walks the walk, turns out, he's more interested in stoking his massive ego rather than do some real good. Before all you Naderites jump down my throat, I'll agree that he's been remarkable in all that he's accomplished. Unparalleled.
However, you'll have to agree that this presidential campaign of his is not something he's doing for the good of the common man. It's all about his ego. I'm not implying that his objective is to help Bush, but it ends up doing so anyway.

He has nothing if he has no integrity. He uses the offices of a non-profit organization to run his campaign. Pretends that he doesn't know that right-wing organizations with ties to the current administration are helping him get on the ballot. A slime like Hannity gets him to promise that he'll stay in the race no matter what. And now, this:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/07/09/nader_murdoch/

Nader's new book, which arrived in stores this week and kicks off his presidential campaign, is being published by Rupert Murdoch. Chairman of the expansive conglomerate News Corp., the conservative Murdoch has been a chief advocate for more than two decades of extensive media deregulation. And his HarperCollins is not only publishing Nader's "The Good Fight: Declare Your Independence and Close the Democracy Gap" but providing the candidate with expensive public relations promotion and media bookings.


During a May 29, 2003, appearance on CNN's "Crossfire," Nader spoke out against the then-pending Federal Communications Commission vote to loosen media ownership rules -- rules that would greatly benefit Murdoch's News Corp. Nader insisted that the debate "is about Rupert Murdoch. It's about five giant media conglomerates controlling magazine, newspaper, TV. I mean, it's getting worse and worse." Then he labeled Murdoch's News Corp. a "conglomerate rat."

And here's a comment from his spokesman. Something that would make the current WH spin machine proud:

Asked about the book deal, Nader's campaign spokesman, Kevin Zeese, responded that "it's kind of a stretch to say he's now dealing with Rupert Murdoch," since it's a HarperCollins imprint, ReganBooks, that's publishing "The Good Fight." "On the book tour, Ralph is very critical of the corporate control of many aspects of our lives. So even if Murdoch is putting money into the book, he's giving it to a messenger who disagrees with him," says Zeese.

How do you explain this? Please don't mention Kerry's lies and his corporate ties. Kerry is the quintessential politician, not a moralist. But we expect nothing but perfection from Nader.

Wake up and smell the hypocrisy.

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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:00 AM
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1. Megolmania
This is the only way I can understand it.
Its as if he has become the very thing he used to stand in opposition to.
For RN the ends justifies the means.

sad.

Now he is only a menace.
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comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:12 AM
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2. he is delusional and lives in a fantasy world
kinda like bush's alternate reality
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:23 AM
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3. Have you any idea of how much Murdoch owns
including publishing houses? You would be flabbergasted.

Someone is digging for dirt here and trying to paint it as if they are working in concert.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:37 AM
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6. But There Are Publishers not owned by Murdoch!!!
Nader is being assisted by the Republicans, and now he's dealing with
Murdoch.

You don't see Kerry taking help from the RNC do you, and you won't. Nader has lost all credibility, and his integrity is at least questionable.

Nader is like a drowning man grabbing onto a sinking ship, just because if he holds on he will stay above water, even if it is for only a short period of time, instead of taking his chances and trying to swim for safety.
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:40 AM
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7. Can you honestly say that he went with a
Rupert Murdoch owned publisher only because he had no choice? We could expect that from anyone, but with Nader we expect much better. There are a lot of independent publishers out there, the kind he champions for.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:45 AM
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8. Really, have you ever seen a list of how many major
publishing houses Murdoch owns? Bring me your argument after you have seen the list, you wouldn't believe what he owns--including major publishing houses.

It is a lame argument.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:27 AM
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4. Michigan GOP canvassing for Nader
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:29 AM
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5. Michigan GOP canvassing for Nader
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:47 AM
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9. "But we expect nothing but perfection from Nader. "
Therein lies the problem.No one is perfect,and expecting it will surely lead to disappointment :shrug:
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:48 AM
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10. Without going "Gonadal Politics", he has some explaining to do.
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 10:48 AM by Neshanic
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:56 AM
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11. If he had dropped out he'd be GOLD today....
His decision to run is absolutely selfish....and demonstrates his essential inability to make a correct decision at a national level.....

In essence....he has thus been tested and has flunked the test.

Had he gotten up and said....yes, you might expect that I would run for president again....but here we are at a critical time in history...etc...etc... where a misguided administration has taken us to war, done a number of critical things to directly cause degeneration of our middle class...etc...etc.. ....there is nothing more important to focus on than to get George W. Bush out of office.

He would then have commanded so much respect and potentially raised himself up above it all.

Instead...you're absolutely right...he's no better than a slug that's going to take votes away from an excellent ticket that stands a good chance of defeating Bush.
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