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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:30 AM
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WP Online - new Plame scuttlebutt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38597-2004Jul9.html

. . .
Waas writes that before a special counsel was appointed to lead the investigation in December, Attorney General John D. Ashcroft was getting frequent, detailed updates "relating to the potential culpability of several close political associates in the Bush administration."

Waas's sources tell him that, for instance, "Ashcroft was provided extensive details of an FBI interview of Karl Rove, President George W. Bush's chief political advisor."

"In addition, sources said, Ashcroft received a briefing regarding copious notes maintained by I. Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney."

Waas writes that some of Libby's notes describe efforts to discredit Wilson by the mysterious cabal known as the White House Iraq Group. Little is known about that group beyond what Barton Gellman and Walter Pincus wrote in The Washington Post last August. But it included Rove, Libby, adviser Karen Hughes and other top White House players.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:33 AM
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1. Karen Hughes?
What would I give to see her in an orange jumpsuit and leg irons.

Oh hell, I'd love to see all of them in orange jumpsuits and leg irons.

PERP WALK!

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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:40 AM
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3. Doesn't really matter
they are all going to be pardoned in December
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:44 AM
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6. thats why I hope they can escape justice until after kerry wins
then they can stay in jail for 16 years through at least Kerry/Edwards and
Edwards/?Clinton before they could hope to be pardoned.

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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:21 PM
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17. he'll just pardon everyone for anything that may have done.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:40 AM
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5. I was thinking the same thing.
That would be a pleasure.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:37 AM
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2. not surprised
hopefully, something was turned up by the special prosecutor, but I have serious doubts that anything major will come out of this.

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:40 AM
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4. We need those indictments!
We need those tectonic shifts! Every time I read something about this it seems that more and more people are implicated. I wouldn't be surprised if this exposes the entire conservative movement in this country for the criminal enterprise it is. This shit is going to make Benedict Arnold look like a proud patriot.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:50 AM
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7. fingers crossed, eh?
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 10:52 AM
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8. White House Iraq Group???...
wonder if they call themselves "the Whigs"?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:01 AM
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9. White House Iraq Group back in the news
and connected with the Plame outing? This is big.

They met in the Situation Room of the White House every week to strategize how to sell the war to America and how to pressure Congress and the UN. The groups's focus was purely war and terrorism as political tools. It this groups's members can be implicated in criminal acts and forced to testify, then all sorts of stuff may come out.

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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:06 AM
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10. Funny the Washington Post couldn't find room for this in their paper
They have millions of ads for Hechts each day but can't (or rather won't) legitimately cover the Bush Treason scandal.
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LiviaOlivia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:09 AM
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12. This came in after print edition was out...
By Dan Froomkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Friday, July 9, 2004; 10:59 AM
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:51 AM
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16. Info was out YESTERDAY
The article this is all based on came out YESTERDAY, July 8, 2004.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8073

So they could have EASILY made room for a story about it today. The Washington Post printing deadline is about 2AM on July 9, 2004 these days for the final edition.

But feel free to post tomorrow and point me to the page where they put it in the paper.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:07 AM
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11. kickety kick
Just because this is the first real news concerning the Plame investigation in a while. It keeps getting deeper and deeper and wider and wider. :kick:
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:14 AM
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13. yeah, kick again
blah
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:16 AM
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14. Here is a link to the American Prospect Online piece
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 11:19 AM by swag
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8073

edited to add this text:

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Rove's interview with the FBI was highly significant, sources said, in that although Rove adamantly denied having leaked the name of CIA officer Valerie Plame, he admitted to having disseminated the information -- after it appeared in the news media -- to journalists, political activists, and other administration officials in an attempt to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV. At the time, Wilson was raising questions about the veracity of intelligence information used by President Bush in making the case to go to war with Iraq. Rove, through an assistant, declined to comment for this story.

In addition, sources said, Ashcroft received a briefing regarding copious notes maintained by I. Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. The notes, later turned over to investigators, detailed the inner workings of the White House Iraq Group. The ad hoc group was set up by senior administration officials to devise strategies to win over U.S. and international public opinion to support going to war with Iraq. Besides Libby, other regular key participants included Rove; Nicholas E. Calio, who was at the time the White House legislative liaison; and Deputy National Security Council Advisor Stephen J. Hadley.


Some of those notes described efforts to discredit Wilson by the White House Iraq Group, including Rove, in July of last year as the group was struggling to counter Wilson's allegations that the White House had exaggerated the potential nuclear threat posed by Saddam Hussein to the United States. It was during that time that two senior administration officials leaked information to columnist Robert Novak that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a covert CIA operative.

. . .
A recent flurry of activity by Fitzgerald has fueled speculation that the prosecutor is completing his work, either to bring criminal charges or close out his probe without seeking any criminal charges. On June 24, President Bush was interviewed in the Oval Office for more than an hour by Fitzgerald and several members of his staff. Vice President Cheney had earlier been interviewed at length by investigators. And on June 18, White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzalez testified for more than an hour before a federal grand jury empanelled to hear evidence in the case.

. .

Despite these developments, Fitzgerald's intentions currently remain one of the most tightly held secrets in Washington. There have been scant leaks to the media as to the findings of his investigation so far, and senior White House officials are reeling from the implication that they know nothing more than rank speculation about a highly charged criminal investigation during an election year. In my article that appeared on Alternet.org first disclosing that Ashcroft was being briefed about the Plame investigation, Mark Corallo, the director of public affairs at the Justice Department, confirmed Ashcroft had received "status updates" regarding the probe from John Dion, a career Justice Department prosecutor. Corallo defended the briefings at the time, telling me: "The attorney general wants this to be investigated thoroughly and promptly, and to that end, he wants to be informed of the progress of investigators."

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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 11:46 AM
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15. I just emailed the Prospect link to the "liberal" (reasonable)
columnist at the Oregonian.

Feel free to do the same with reporters, columnists at your own local media outlets.


This story needs to grow some legs.
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