We Attacked A Country On False Pretenses-Where's The Outrage?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

You can make an argument that Saddam should have been removed for humanitarian purposes but that argument wasn't made at the time....

Where's the outrage?

[NC_Nurse]

1. I don't understand either...

how can people fall for this BS song and dance about freeing the Iraqis?

It is sad how little most people choose to use their brains. :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I Might Have Supported The Invasion For Humanitarian Reasons

And If It was done under a U N flag but I can think of a dozen other countries that can use liberating...

[indepat]

17. Is anything humanitarian about killing and maiming tens of thou-

sands of civilians, dropping cluster bombs in residential areas, destroying the infrastructure so there is no clean water, using DU which lays waste to the land for, is it some, 4.5 million years, not to mention torture of prisoners?

[Wind Dancer]

23. Nothing humane about that!

This war is despicable, the treatment of our injured troops and injured Iraqis is unforgivable. The innocent lost lives and destruction is unbearable for most of us, yet the average American seems to have their head in the sand. People treat me like a freak when I try to explain the horrors the Iraqis have endured by our invasion, they don't get it. I am sick and disgusted, I need hope that this will end. We are on the verge of a holy war and republicans treat us like we are lepers, enough already. It must stop.

[indepat]

42. They don't get it because most Merikans don't give a diddledy-Cheney

how many people our armed forces kill and maim, IMHO.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I Can Think Of Situations Like Bosnia And Kosovo Where Intervention Is

Justified....

[newyorican]

2. Where's the outrage?

Waiting for a Democrat to do something similar?

[Worst Username Ever]

3. I'm all outraged out:

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4027&n=3

[AndyTiedye]

4. unreported

[MsUnderstood]

6. I had a conversation with a Bush supporter

Right as the war began.

I said then "I hope we find WMD because we are putting lives at jeapordy for this war"

She said "Even if we don't, Sadam is a bad man".

The seed was already planted in the minds of true Bush supporters that even if no weapons, no links to terror Saddam is a bad man and his expulsion from his country will benefit the world.

[rocktivity]

7. It's a combination of embarassment, shame, and denial

No one likes facing the fact that they've been scammed, but it's what you do about it that really counts. You can get mad and fight back (either directly or by warning others against enduring a similar fate). You can pretend it didn't happen. Or you can rationalize if there's something you can use as a defense mechanism--like patriotism.

:headbang:
rocknation

[NC_Nurse]

8. Operation Enduring Bullshit..

just goes on and on and on....:grr:

[indigobusiness]

21. good one

I'll remember that.

[Kanary]

25. I'm at the end of my endurance

:hi:

[jokerman93]

41. You score for that one! n/t

[katym]

9. I've got outrage to lend should anybody need some

Living in a nearly purely democratic town (thank god for college, fall, and the rest when I can get out of here again) I feel plenty of outrage every time the subject of Bush comes up, specifically the lies and pretenses he used to invade Iraq. Not to say that Saddam didn't need to come down, but there wasnt a reason to use terrorism as an excuse, much less lie. I don't want a president that lies to its nation about why its sending it's own people halfway across the world. period. But state that around my town, and people will fire back at you: "Clinton lied to the country too, didnt he? He had an affair, didnt he? Huh? Huh?"
GRRRRRR.

[GreenArrow]

27. when Clinton lied

no one died.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Where's the outrage that "our" candidates support it?

Kerry wants to send more troops to Iraq. His totally unworkable "plan" is still in support of BushCorp. When is he going admit that his vote for the invasion was wrong and that we withdraw now?

Somehow, I think it wise not to hold or breath...or our noses.

[Kanary]

26. I'm with ya........we're being splintered

[GreenArrow]

30. why sweat it

when you can just go shopping!

[BeFree]

28. There you go again

"They" do not support boosh's war. We don't know "his" plan, yet you already say it's "unworkable". That's not fair of you to cast such aspersions toward our only Presidential hopes. Just not fair.

Nobody is more anti-war than I, but the reality of the situation is that, at this time, there is nothing anyone -except boosh- who can do a damn thing about the present occupation. Come Jan. 20, 2005, we can begin to make changes. Until then, let us focus on what we can accomplish.

Thanks, have a good day.

[Kanary]

31. You're absolutely right, of course.

We'll just be good germans.........

:shrug:

Kanary

[BeFree]

33. That's not fair, Kanary

We face an avalanche of history and Reaganism. Some, 10%, have railed against the avalanche from day one and we don't need ankle biters distracting us as the crunch comes. I hate to say this, but it is true: You are either with us or you are against us.

Kanary, I have an educated guess that you are with us, I also figure you are frustrated as well. We all are frustrated. But lets give Kerry a chance. Let's presume that he has a plan to turn the country from the edge of the abyss. He really is our only hope. One last chance and all that.

Come Jan. 20, we all redouble our efforts to see that the correct thing is done. Look forward to then, and stick with us, eh?

[Kanary]

34. right again......

" I hate to say this, but it is true:
You are either with us or you are against us. "

Gee, where have I heard that before?

Kanary, going for the plastic and duct tape.....

[Kanary]

35. right again

" I hate to say this, but it is true:
You are either with us or you are against us. "

Gee, where have I heard that before?

Kanary

[BeFree]

36. It's a very old term, used for a hundred years at least

Cheap shots and all that.

Try it this way... There is one way but many paths. Beating up on your fellow travellers may make you feel good but you will have no one to share the rewards with at the end.

[Kanary]

40. *holding up mirror*

[kentuck]

11. Outrage is coming out my ears today...

I am so pissed...Mostly at those that have been sworn to represent us.

[Solly Mack]

12. I live with outrage daily...and daily reminders

I can't go anywhere on this army post without seeing a soldier with a missing limb. We have had suicides from returning soldiers and a spouse who couldn't handle what was happening with her soldier husband. I see kids afraid of their mothers and fathers because "they act funny now"

I see my own husband wrestle with demons. I wrestle with my own.

I see the death of Iraqis in my sleep.

I've got outrage to spare.

[duhneece]

43. 30-odd years timewarp

I read your post, had to walk away & cry, sigh, gather myself, wash my face; I came back and went through the same exact sequence again. And again.
In 1971, my husband Mike lost his legs at Chu Lai, VietNam. His experiences, along with several other young men in the amputee ward at Letterman Hospital (San Francisco), were chronicled in a book called, "Body Shop:Recuperating from VietNam" by Corrinne Browne. Mike died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in July 1998.
During all of those years in between, I am grateful for having known many VietNam vets: amputees; the walking wounded; many whose generosity of spirit awe me. But war twists something inside for many, and love & relationships become even more difficult, impossible sometimes.
As weird as this may sound, your outrage (& that of all at our DU 'family.') makes me feel less hopeless, like, "...at least they get it-they aren't blind, they refuse to turn their head, Solly is strong enough and brave enough and loving enough to be witness...and all of that gives me some sense of hope.
However, I don't believe most of us can live in that state of outrage all of the time and stay healthy, so I hope you have found a way of looking at all of the horror and lies that allows you some acceptance, some serenity, some peace.
YES, Saddam was a horrible ruler, like many others, so to justify all of the lives lost & mangled when we CANNOT guarantee the next ruler will be any better seems like murder to me.

[RichM]

13. Most Democrats don't even have the guts to say this. That's partly

why there's so little general outrage.

Will Kerry or Edwards say the simple truth -- that "We attacked a country under false pretences!"? No, of course not. That would open a huge can of worms for them. So, they will confine their criticisms to more innocuous (& vague) charges, such as, "The president misled us." But they won't dare even get near saying why we really went into Iraq -- in fact, they will actively AVOID that subject altogether.

Thus, the complicity & spinelessness of the Democrats is a major factor that explains the general lack of outrage. Certainly, you don't expect the equally gutless & corrupt media to lead the charge, do you?

If the "opposition party" was a real opposition party, the media would (probably) cover it. If Kerry stood up and said, "We really went into Iraq for control of oil, and to build permanent military bases in the Middle East," I guarantee it would get reported on the 6 o'clock news.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that, though. Kerry is no more likely to say the above than Bush is. He is simply US imperialism with a slightly less hateful face.

- On a related point: anyone who tries making the point that the Democrats are not much better than Bush, on Iraq, is greeted with clever remarks on DU like "Zzzzzzzzzz" or "So vote for Bush, then." That's why DU has become mostly worthless and stupid, as a discussion forum.

BTW: As an interesting thought experiment (& on another subject): just try to imagine how the US media & political establishment would have reacted, if, say, the RUSSIANS (or French, etc) would have announced in 2002 that they were going to unilaterally conquer & occupy Iraq, because they were so morally offended by how "evil" Saddam was.

[tom_paine]

14. Were the Germans upset with the Nazi invasion of Poland

Slavish, complacent, apathetic ignorant people who don't deserve the freedoms they were bequeathed (the Germans by the WWI Allies, the Imperial Subjects of Amerika by our ancestors) don't change much over time.

Not really, though the particular details of the evils they commit do change and are repackaged for the new country, new customs.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. And, the Germans were told that Poland was an "imminent threat".

At least the opposition in Germany had the excuse that they couldn't speak out because they were in prison by that time. Our "opposition" is safe and happy and running for office while saying nothing.

[tom_paine]

18. Yes, funny how the details are always a little different

In many ways, our opposition might as well be in prison.

Of course, in reality if that was so, the Busheviks would already be brutalizing and Gulagging us.

[TahitiNut]

38. Were the Italians upset with the Fascist invasion of Ethiopia?

Busholini is a worse, swaggering, arrogant, pompous jackal than Mussolini.

[baldguy]

15. The outrage is played out every day in the streets of Baghdad.

AP: Iraq Insurgency Larger Than Thought

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=8&u=/ap/20040709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_insurgency

"Contrary to U.S. government claims, the insurgency in Iraq is led by well-armed Sunnis angry about losing power, not foreign fighters, and is far larger than previously thought, American military officials say.

The officials told The Associated Press the guerrillas can call on loyalists to boost their forces to as high as 20,000 and have enough popular support among nationalist Iraqis angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated."

[Minstrel Boy]

19. "But you're forgetting about September 11!!!!!!"

At any rate, 9/11 is still the black hole of many Americans' outrage.

And a good number of Americans, and much of America's media, will never be outraged by United States' military action. To them, the only offense is losing, usually blamed on civilian commanders "tying the hands" of the Joint Chiefs.

[indigobusiness]

20. I've asked that

from day one.

It is a telling indictment of our character as a country.

It takes a big man to admit he is wrong...same for a country...and same for a govt.


sp




http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[Manix]

22. Bush is a 'bad man', so let's remove him.

[GreenArrow]

24. where's the outrage?

where's the Doritos? Where's the remote?

[porphyrian]

32. Here? I give up, where is it? - n/t

[Malva Zebrina]

37. there aren't any because the majority believe we can take over any

country we like and any country that gets in our way. We are a decrepit nation believing in invasion of a country without any defenses at all, for gain and for spoils and I am sorry to say, I include the Democrats in that assessment.

There was NO outrage from them and there was no outrage from the Republicans who are, without a doubt, bereft of any morals or ethics When it comes to selfishness and greed--they all, including the Dems, also wanted Iraq's stuff and thought we, the most powerful in the world, can take what we want and that was, mainly, the lucrative oil fields.


We murdered ten thousand innocent people with this lack of outrage and this granting of a blank check to Bush at the same time ,ignoring the Constitution, which states that only Congress shall declare war.

That is the most farcical of them all. Somehow Congress has discovered how to get around that and allow an ignorant, childish, son of a former President and a maniac, a religious delusional man, a less than intelligent endowed man, to invade at his will, any little country whose citizens are at risk because it has no defenses to speak of, using anything he, as a stupid uninformed man, desires to invade and kill children, babies, old men and old women.

and it STILL goes on, without one postive indication to the people of this cou7ry that there is any outrage at all at this abuse and this tyranny.

We have become a nation of the disaffected and the banal. And we claim that we are a Christian nation. Heh--if anything we have become a nation of Christian murderers as in the past history of Christianity.

They, all of our so called representatives, change the rules to suit their own political purposes and to absolve themselves from their terrible complicity in murder--from both sides of the aisle.

Why do we bother to teach our children these false facts about the Constitution?

It only contributes to the early deaths of our children who are lured into "defending our freedoms" believing they will be heroes , honored by their country and their peers, in the flag drapped coffins, as they have been taught they are the great heroes sacrificing for their country by sacrificing their lives. and who, in these times pathetically must sign up to put their lives on the line in order to get a college education.

It is pathetic.

DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN JOIN UP INTO THE MILITARY TO KILL AND DESTROY THAT WHICH THE GREEDY AMERICANS DESIRE IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THEIR SPOILED LIFESTYLES.

DO NOT LET THEM DO THAT--SAVE THEIR LIVES AND EDUCATE THEM AS TO THEIR ROLES, SHOULD THEY SUCCUMB TO THE PROPAGANDA THAT THEY ARE "DEFENDING OUR FREEDOMS"

That is NOT the case that we will have heroes in our young who go to fight a war for fascist desires, and it will NOT be the case for America for a long time because no other country will attack us. No opther country can do so. Any war in the future, that America engages in, would be a war for empire and a war to get from other countries what we covet.

That is the raw truth.

It is NOT a noble cause, and America is NOT a noble country when an AWOL coward such as Bush, delights in being a commander in chief sending our young to die so his oil buddies can reap the profits.

Face it.


Bush the AWOL coward, did it, and it was given to him by the Democrats and that is the truth and those are the facts.

It is not the case that our children who have been seduced by visions of macho man herosim and macho man images will be honored at all.

Indeed, in this case, they are snuck in in the middle of the night and are hidden from view as their flag drapped coffins are unloaded in the dank darkness--they are NOT heroes when they are sent to grab spoils for the AWOL President and the five deferment vice president--they are akin to terrorists and they are used, by fasicists like Bush, who, incredibly, was a coward who went AWOL himself from the ANG in time of war. for his personal gains.

Teach your children this or if you cannot find it in your heart to do so, move to a more peace seeking country rather than sacrifice your precious children to power hungry, rich , corporate connected, white menho have only their own fortunes in mind while using our children toward their goal.

I believe my country is broken. This is a tragedy that began with the total bullying down of the people's votes all being counted.

I will refuse to support it any longer, no matter which side of the aisle I am expected to support.

They both approved of it and that, to me, is unacceptable.

[jokerman93]

39. No outrage because

No outrage because the American people have been anesthetized by consumerism and cut off from our truly liberal and revolutionary cultural heritage by 20 years of shitty education and vulgar, dehumanizing forms of 24/7 entertainment.

We really are in deep moral trouble, but "Jeezus the Lord-Gawd of creepy senators and numbed-out cult racists" ain't gonna to fix it.

This country's overdue for a sweeping, humanistically based cultural revolution -- and dammit, it better start soon because we're running out of time.