I don't think this "It's all the CIA's fault" gambit is working

[librechik]

1.People (even PuKKKes) are starting to get ticked that Bush blames everything on somebody else.

2. it still makes the Bushies look bad that; after all, they believed that evil CIA. And the more evil they paint the CIA, the worse the Bushies look for trusting those demons!

3. People don't like it when they find out that the White House part of the investigative report won't come out until after the election. Even Cheneytards can see that THAT little detail is a brazen and nakedly political move.

4. As they search for cute soundbite rebuttals among the pages of the report, clueless yakking Punditheads are bound to inadvertently dig up more and more things that ultimately make Bushler look bad, once the implications sink in. (They are that stupid, yes.) And then even more anger will come as the lil pukkke people realize they won't get new Talking Points from the Bushler gang about any of these new questions until AFTER the election! Just keep repeating the same "It's the CIA's Fault" when obviously nobody believes it!

Even Freeper trash will feel suspicious and cheated (unless they're braindead.) How can they respond to the zillions of mocking "Ha ha, no WMDs just like we told you ten thousand jillion times" remarks we will now batter them with? How can they get direction from their Lord in the White Palace? After all, he is GAGGED until the report comes out, no? That's the plan, keep the "investigation" going so he doesn't have to answer "certain questions?"

5. It's Friday. The PuKKKes brought it out today because it was just plain bad, not just bad for the CIA. They wanted it to vanish down the memoryhole by Monday. They know "it's all the CIA's fault" won't stand up to close examination, once people start reading the details of the report. That's why they sent out the squad telling us in advance over and over and in large misleading headlines what it means, so we won't be so interested in dipping into the text and trying to figure it out ourselves.

So I wouldn't worry too much about this frantic screaming Tuckerbuns and Nov(-ick) poison pen environment we must endure for awhile. The trees are already starting to shake and the boogie men are coming down from their nests.

They eat their own, you know.

[Zorra]

1. Wow. I just posted a similar thread in GD Campaigns:

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x574609

[librechik]

5. cool--great minds think alike!

greater minds have links--(Thanks, Zorra!)

ok, you have the better thread, mine is just a rant.

:nopity:

And I haven't even cracked the tequila yet!

Happy Friday!

[DrBB]

2. Concealment reveals. Say it with me: concealment reveals

When you are caught hiding something, you have proved you have something to hide. It's a principle widely attested in literature and history, most obviously in the famous phrase from the Nixon admin: "It wasn't the crime, it was the cover-up!"

To be seen to be hiding something is always worse than being caught doing the thing itself. The latter you can try to explain away; the former convicts you by your own shame, guilt, embarrassment.

[librechik]

6. hope you're right--these sociopaths seem impervious to

those human emotions--history tends to treat their sort in a harsher manner than we are. They're lucky we're such nice guys.

You're right though--after watching them in horror for a few years their games are so obvious to me, they conceal nothing. I supporse others can still be fooled tho, sadly.

[qanda]

3. One reporter asked a good question

I know, it's hard to believe, but bear with me.

They said something like, the unclassified National Security Assessment that was put out was a slam dunk case against Iraq and yet the classified version was filled with questions about the threat that Iraq posed and the weapons it still had. In light of this, how can you say that there was no pressure from the White House to alter the case for war?

[kikiek]

4. How many people wrote books on how far

this administration pushed for intelligence to support their desire to go to war. This validates all the people they tried to call crazy and bitter when their books came out. Including he who had his CIA wife outed.

[Disturbed]

7. The Office of Special Plans

Why won't the Dem leadership mention the OSP?

[BrotherBuzz]

22. I believe OSP will now gain traction

Its time has come and the people are now ready for it. Fence sitters have both eyes and ears open. Hmmm, you couldn't say that six months ago.

[PurityOfEssence]

8. The "everyone got it wrong" line simply isn't true

Let's wait to hear what Ray McGovern has to say.

There were many people who didn't buy it. There were many caveats within the system. The intelligence community was so unwilling to pin the tail on the Hussein that Cheney had to go out there and strongarm them and had to create a new intelligence group in the Pentagon.

"Everyone" didn't get it wrong, not by a far cry.

[bluedog]

9. whats the end result??

now that we have invaded a country based on lies..do we keep our troops there? if the answer is yes.then Why?

Whats the rest of the world going to do?? Will the United States be brought before a world justice system?? We should be...we would demand it from other rough bullying nations..........

We can't just sit and say "oh well, we were wrong....but Saddam was a bad man".....everyone in the media was all a joy when we shocked and awed Iraq........they also bear some of the blame in this man made bush mess........

Should bush say hes wrong to the American people .apologize for the deaths and all that money that we the American people have wasted by invading?? I say yes.I also say bush should freaking beg the UN to send a peacekeeping force in and all other counties to help him and bring our men and women home......they dies all 1002 of them.based on bushs lies.

[earthside]

15. Getting it ...

'bluedog' here is getting it, I think.

Even if you put the best spin on this report - from the Bush perspective, it means that the United States of America, you and me, from Bush and the elites all the way to the black child in the shelter -- 270 million of us have had our reputations besmirched and our honor soiled. "We" started a war and killed thousands of innocent Iraqis and allowed the deaths of 1000 'coalition' troops all based on a falsehood, inaccuracies, a lie, a fraud.

Bush is culpable because he is the ultimate responsible decision-maker. Whether the CIA gave him the 'right' intelligence or not, in a matter as grave as war- and especially a 'preventative' war, HE had a supreme duty to know with absolute certainty that all of the information was accurate. Since UN inspectors were on the ground and finding nothing, Bush, himself, is therefore, a priori GUILTY of premeditated murder.

Blaming the CIA won't work because Bush has created a sequence of events that has brought shame upon our nation. There is no getting away from that moral and ethical truth.

It is so sad.

[Old and In the Way]

17. Cheney's secret energy meetings are the key.

The hidden agenda for invading and taking over Iraq will be found there. WMD was merely the public reason which they gave. Their UN 'evidence' was a joke, I'm sure that a small tactical stockpile of chemical weapons or a couple of dirty bombs would have been all the 'evidence' of proof that this administration would need to make their case. Funny thing was, there was nothing, so that bogus reason is the lightening rod for Bush.

Sadly, the real evil reason is in the secret energy meetings where Cheney and his corporate buddies planned the acquisition of Iraqi Oilfields, Inc. Lots of taxpayer money for armaments, rebuilding contracts, and control of the oil......oddly, all key constituents of the BFEE/Republican Corporate Party. They are a treasonous bunch....every last one of them.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

21. An article was posted yesterday that you may not have seen...

...and that you may find VERY interesting:

<http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=8073>

Excerpt:

"In addition, sources said, Ashcroft received a briefing regarding copious notes maintained by I. Lewis Libby, the chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. The notes, later turned over to investigators, detailed the inner workings of the White House Iraq Group. The ad hoc group was set up by senior administration officials to devise strategies to win over U.S. and international public opinion to support going to war with Iraq. Besides Libby, other regular key participants included Rove; Nicholas E. Calio, who was at the time the White House legislative liaison; and Deputy National Security Council Advisor Stephen J. Hadley.

Some of those notes described efforts to discredit Wilson by the White House Iraq Group, including Rove, in July of last year as the group was struggling to counter Wilson's allegations that the White House had exaggerated the potential nuclear threat posed by Saddam Hussein to the United States. It was during that time that two senior administration officials leaked information to columnist Robert Novak that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a covert CIA operative."

How much do you want to bet that Libby also took COPIOUS notes during Cheney's "energy meetings"? With a 10-year sentence hanging over his head for exposing Plame, don't you think he may want to cut a deal?

[librechik]

10. o god yes! I hate it when they say "Everyone thought he had them"

ACK! Not true, you robotic abomination! Roberts (Sen) spewed that today and I wanted to strangle him!

also "the caveats were withheld" YES! But not by the CIA, by the WH, and the media! I heard somebody sneak that little gem into the discourse today.

[Kolesar]

11. I would hope that people eventually figure out it was warmongering

It was warmongering no matter whether the intelligence was good, bad, late, or absent.

[Bonhomme Richard]

12. The best thing about this is................

that it is going to piss off the CIA even more than they were. I expect a lot of leaks come september/october. They will do everything they can to get rid of the asshole.

[LostInAnomie]

13. Do you think that when it comes out that the WH pushed the bad intel...

... it will make a difference to those sheep? They are imprevious to logic of any sort.

[Cocoa]

14. I agree, despite Woodward's best efforts

his fictitious "slam dunk" anecdote was designed to leverage this conclusion against the CIA.

But I agree, it won't work, especially since Bush stood by Tenet so long, and resisted all of these investigations.

[NightOwwl]

16. How come I could see thru this *shit

from day one, yet most of Congress fell for the WMD lies? All one had to do was watch his speeches. It came through loud and clear that the his intent was to go to war in Iraq no matter what.

[Old and In the Way]

19. Imagine IWR as a poker game.

You're pretty sure the lucky bastard who's just raised the stakes and calledis bluffing you. But if you go all in, you could lose everything....the lucky bastard still has lots of chips to play and he can afford to lose. If Kerry and the Democrats had played against the resolution as a unfied Party, Bush would go anyway and then be "vindicated" with his pro-war media puffing up the WMD "evidence". Or, they vote against the war and another attack occurs. Iraq gets blamed, and Bush invades anyway. Democrats are politically nuetralized as the Party of Terrorist Appeasers. Bush gets Iraq and becomes the dictator he always wanted to be.

The Democrats were given a Hobson's choice. But Bush was supposed to return to the UN to make his case for war....which he never did. I'm not sure if Bush is in violation of the terms of the resolution, frankly. But went to war, not the Democrats. Bush lied to Congress for his causus belli.....and that is the long term damage that he has done to the Office of the Presidency. Institutionally speaking, future Presidents will be hamstrung in uniting the country because of the precedence of the Bush administration who put personal politics and financial agenda ahead of the country's best interests.

He really needs to be impeached for crimes against the Constitution and face the music.

[NightOwwl]

24. Good point.

I never thought of it that way.

Are you a lawyer by chance? :-)

[Old and In the Way]

26. Thanks!

Not hardly a lawyer (unless a BA in PoliSci qualifies). :-)

My cynicism and distrust of the people running this government is way too deep. Think back to the timing of the IWR, just before the midterms. Bush and Cheney campaigning for their lives, to keep Congress in Republican hands.

We had that Anthrax attack on the Democratic leadership that has gone unsolved (even though we damn well know the universe of possible suspects). 9/11 was being heavily stonewalled. Who really knows what level of complicity Bush has in letting 9/11 happen? But if he and his PNAC fascists were criminally liable for 3000 innocent people being murdered....well, I suspect their capable of making anything happen to avoid the consequences of their own greedy actions, I would suppose. That's what makes them so damned dangerous, IMHO.

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

25. Old (may I call you Old?)

thank you for that post. I kept coming back to Kerry (and other dems, but especially Kerry cause I listened to his Senate IWR speech) sounding like he, in the final analysis, TRUSTED Bush to do what he said. He's a big boy and it really doesn't make much sense.

As some of us used to say, he had them by the short hairs.

[Old and In the Way]

27. My friends cal me Oaitw, easier to say, I guess.

Welcome aboard! :-)

Kerry voted to support the Office of the President, I think. Here's an interesting point to consider. When Kerry is elected President, what if he is truely confronted with a real nuclear terror threat?...his only option is an immediate strike in another ME country, say UAE.....if he goes to Congress for a bi-partisan resolution, will the Republicans refuse to support his taking action? Will the President's political fortunes now be part of the Senate deliberations? That's what Bush has done to future Presidents.....he lied about the evidence to push his personal political/economic agenda and created a precedent for this to occur. He's diminished the Office by his dishonesty and deceit to push this immoral invasion and occupation. The whole country will be weaker for it, IMHO.

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

28. Oaitw, I agree.

But it might have actually started when Clinton sent those missles to Osama's training camp, and all the freepers accused him of wagging the dog. Most people don't remember that Orrin Hatch vouched for Clinton's action, but it didn't make any difference.

* took it to a whole new level, though.

itps

[BillZBubb]

18. Sadly, I think it will work.

Remember, Shrub only has to fool 50% + 1 voters. Since 42% would vote for him even if he sacrificed a baby on live TV, he only has to get another 8% to give him a pass because the CIA didn't "give him the facts".

If over 50% still believe Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, getting those same idiots to buy this crap won't be difficult.

[Hamlette]

20. 6. Bush STILL won't admit no WMD, no bin Laden connection.

now we have the whole world AND the Senate saying he's nuts.

[Kool Kitty]

23. The bottom line is (or should be)-

Bush is the President. If he believed bogus intelligence, too bad. If he was mislead, too bad. If his minions lied to him, too fuckin' bad. The bottom line is that he is responsible. He is the President. The press should be screaming to high heaven about this. Not just Chris Matthews. Not just the folks at Air America and the Pacifica radio stations. He owes us an explanation. He owes us an apology. And he should not run again.

I know that none of that will happen, but I live in hope...