God is the Biggest abortionist in the world

[kwolf68]

"Abortion" is the same exact thing as "miscarriage". So can we now asume that "GOD" votes pro-choice?

Please understand that I am not making light of women who have miscarriages as my wife had one about 7 or 8 months ago. We were (censored for the sensitive masses) disapointed, but we didn't hold a wake or anything.

[Fescue4u]

1. Just a bit disapointed huh?

"We were a bit disapointed"

Kinda like going to the fridge for a beer, only to realize you are out.

Interesting.

I suppose with your logic, God is also the worlds biggest mass murderer to, since we all die eventually.

Interesting.........

[kwolf68]

2. Well you obviously missed the f88888 point

The fact I mentioned our disapointment was to outline that the abortion didn't scar either of us, specifically my wife.

My comment was a light-hearted sarcastic attempt to suggest that abortion is a NATURAL phenomenon of life and that is is more complex than either side suggest it is.

(For the record I don't like the "its my body ill do what i want with it" argument from many on the choice side)

[Warren DeMontague]

8. I happen to think

...If it's not my body, whose is it?

That's why I don't think it's any of the government's business who consenting adults have sex with (as long as it's other consenting adults), nor what chemicals they choose to put in their bodies, nor whether or not they choose to avoid a painful death when terminally ill. This idea that our bodies belong to the "state", or the "church", is deeply offensive to me.

That said, I think there are myriad reasons to be pro-choice, not the least of which is, even if you find surgical abortion morally objectionable, do you really want to legislate the choice away from women? Shouldn't it be up to the woman within whom the pregnancy is taking place, as opposed to an uninvolved stranger, where that ethical line should be drawn?

[Fescue4u]

29. I suppose

But the families that I know that have went through a miscarriage suffered greatly.

I guess its good that you can just shrug it off.

[RC]

4. Well, God is the biggest mass murderer,

Just look at how many people are killed in his name. That is just hunky dory with so many people.

[kwolf68]

6. Atheist Peace

Reminds me of a song by my favorite band Bad Religion...They sing of an "athiest peace" when all the religious zealots kill each other off then PEACE will reign on earth...PEACE will reign because there exists an absense of religion.

[PinkTiger]

11. I hate to bring this up NOW, but....

you have spelled atheist wrong. I know, a small mistake, misplacing the e and i; but it looks kinda strange.

I hope if you are of a mind to, you can change your header.

[bigbillhaywood]

19. We're gonna die from our own arrogance.

Early man walked away, as modern man took control
Their minds were not the same, to conquer was his goal
So he built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind
And he died a confused man, killed himself with his own mind

[kwolf68]

27. BR has brilliant lyrics

I love their lyrics...Here is another good one

Since the start of the 17th century
There's been the scent of unseasoned wood burning in the air
And the conquest of nature meant nothing at all
While we betray exception we take all that is there
Motives are transcluent in the reflection of shame
The actions ghostly remnants of our ancestral ways
And unwittingly, you just take your place in this parade
The voracious march of godliness makes us all the same anyway

Since the dawn of our human family
There's been concentrated sepsis blowing in the breeze
And we turned on each other with ferocity
Desperation, forced, without reprieve
But the missions were misguided and the trammeled led astray
The air resounds with thunder as the victors seized the day
And the haunting voice of history lives ignored but not betrayed
The voracious march of godliness will get us close to heaven one day

[kwolf68]

28. Or this little ditty

I heard them say that the meek shall reign on earth,
Phantasmal myriads of sane bucolic birth.
I've seen the rapture in a starving baby's eyes,
Inchoate beatitude, the Lord of the Flies.

So what does it mean when your mind starts to stray?
Kaleidoscoping images of love on the way.
Brother you'd better get down on your knees and pay.
1,000 more fools are being born every fucking day.

They try to tell me that the lamb is on the way,
With microwave transmissions they bombard us every day.
The masses are obsequious, contented in their sleep.
The vortex of their minds ensconsed within the murky deep.

So what does it mean when your mind starts to stray?
Kaleidoscoping images of love on the way.
Brother you'd better get down on your knees and pay.
1,000 more fools are being born every fucking day.

[K-W]

3. If God did create this world, he has some serious questions to answer.

Miscarriages and viruses would be a few biggies.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. Well, take into account the millions of sperm

that die every day.. and the eggs that die when a woman has her period without getting pregnant.. "God", if you happen to believe in such a critter, has obviously structured nature to produce much more potential life than eventually tends to survive.

Personally, I think you run into all kinds of logical, as well as ethical, quandries when you start attributing aspects of reality to invisible, unprovable entities with a presumed "agenda". "God" made everything, so "he" must have made war, death, famine, the Republican Party... He even made people like me, who think he's a dangerous hallucination.

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[kwolf68]

10. Name calling

Brilliant.

My wife hasn't mentioned it one single time since about 2 weeks after it happened. However, still still often talks about her dead grandmother.

Why would anyone read what the hell I wrote like that...the point revolved around freaking God, Miscarriages and abortion.

Otherwise, you don't know me ... so take exception with what I say not who I am.

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[kwolf68]

18. You are right

A miscarriage is most oftentimes caused because of poor chromosome formation if I am not mistaken.

You are right about bringing in unwanted babies. My wife is someone I would considere Moderate Republican, but she is strongly pro-choice. She is more pro-choice than I am.

[HuskerDem]

17. I did take exceptions with what you said ...........

As a pro-choice woman. Ask yourself if you have created a safe or welcoming environment for her grief? Have you encouraged or discouraged (however subtly) discussion of the loss? Have you even acknowledged her loss?

Sorry if it makes you unfuckingcomfortable but I have het to meet ONE SINGLE WOMAN who did not feel more that "a bit dissapointed" at the loss of a wanted child.

Your turn.

[kwolf68]

21. What my wife and I shared

Is our business and you have proven yourself to be the last person on this board I will share any personal details with. Your attacks don't make me uncomfortable whatsoever. I spend time debating Republicans on a sports board I frequent so I am used to knee-jerk reactionary comments.

Your comments were disapointing, because you chose to infer what I did for my wife based on one comment...a comment that I gave little thought to as i was thinking about something entirely different. In the end, the comment should not have been made, but was still harmless.

Other than that...I would like to think those of us on this board could debate and discuss issues with less vitriol, because we are on the same side for the most part.

[HuskerDem]

25. I can only hope that you will take away from this experience the revelation

that notions should be carefully thought out before you post. This is doubly true when you choose to represent your wife and/or your shared experiences. It is my belief that you probably owe her more consideration than the due you have given yourself.

Your opening statement already shared with me and others ( before you REVISED it ) a great deal.

[kwolf68]

26. Take your lectures elsewhere

Not interested in your condescending arrogance.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. That seems a bit presumptuous...

to call him a shit/idiot.

To me, and maybe I'm crazy, a miscarriage at 7 weeks is not the same thing as a miscarriage at 8 months. I hardly think I'm alone in this interpretation. I think it's a gradient between sperm & egg-->fertilized egg-->embryo-->baby, but that doesn't seem to hold for people who need these things to be black and white.

[kwolf68]

15. Thanks impeacahd

It was a poor choice of words on my part and instead of HuskerDem asking about it, that person lays into me without understanding what I may have really meant or my agenda for posting.

In the end, it is obvious this isn't the forum to field personal affairs so I will refrain from doing so in the future.

[HuskerDem]

22. Why should I ask you to clarify a statement you chose to

post with such prominence? Should I not assume first that you mean what you szy? Of are your words poorly choosen as a matter of habit?

[kwolf68]

24. Forget it.

I explained myself to you. If that is not satisfactory then I don't really care.

"Post With Such Prominence"? Were the words bolded? Italicized?

You have taken your own interpretation and run with it. To that end I am done arguing this matter any further. I've made my case, even suggested I was wrong to make such a flippant comment and you are still interested in this petty banter continuing.

Kudos to you for your resiliency, but I am signing off in debating this any further.

As far as my “credentials” and word choice I think I have mentioned my educational background and experience in a number of areas in the past on this board, but its been rare. Suffice it to say, no matter how hard you think you are hitting me I am very secure with myself.

[bleedingheart]

9. If there is a God, you are correct

because if God really valued feti the way the christian coalition and the anti-choice groups do...he/she would have arranged for pregnancies never to miscarry.

by the way, I am sorry for your wife's loss because miscarriages are traumatic.

[kwolf68]

12. Thanks

I really didn't mean to mention my personal affairs as it obviously blows many's brain into pieces.

The only reason I posted that crap was to bring up a silly little sarcastic discussion about "Miscarriages" as "abortions" and "Gods" role in them.

Since the freepers think abortion is the work of evil...how do they explain their deity partakes in hundreds of thousands a year.

[graham67]

14. I understand what

you're trying to say. :)

[donhakman]

20. Women have dozens of silent miscarraiges in their life

in the 2 weeks after potential conceptions, so the numbers are well in the many millions of "invisible all powerful ruler" caused abortions.

This is an often ignored fact in the phoney life begins at conception arguement.

[kwolf68]

23. Yep

I know that and that was kinda what the point of my thread was...sadly it got taken in a strange new direction.

I guess I'm a women-hater or something which is ironic...even though I consider myself highly sympathetic to the feminist movement.

I never really liked little boys and certainly don't like the direction men have lead our world...So I am ready to turn the keys to this ship over the the women and let them see if they can do any damn better.

I would think with educated women in control we'd have a lot less war going on....

In fact, that is all I wanted to have was girls...I got my first girl and the 2nd is a boy. Like my wife says...i can raise him to be compassionate just as I would my girl. But my daugther is my angel...I keep calling her the first women President in US History...and she's 2.