Biden tells Bush to fire Rumsfeld and Cheney to resign (to his face)!

[Paragon]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6185043&pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7

...Surely the Abu Ghraib prison scandal didn't help. Should Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld or other Bush officials resign?

Rand Beers: The Navy has a custom -- if a ship runs aground, the captain is relieved regardless of who is responsible. That's how Abu Ghraib should be handled.

Sen. Joseph Biden: I was in the Oval Office the other day, and the president asked me what I would do about resignations. I said, "Look, Mr. President, would I keep Rumsfeld? Absolutely not." And I turned to Vice President Cheney, who was there, and I said, "Mr. Vice President, I wouldn't keep you if it weren't constitutionally required." I turned back to the president and said, "Mr. President, Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are bright guys, really patriotic, but they've been dead wrong on every major piece of advice they've given you. That's why I'd get rid of them, Mr. President -- not just Abu Ghraib." They said nothing. Just sat like big old bullfrogs on a log and looked at me...

[physioex]

1. Excellent....Glad to see the Dems finally showing some guts...

I know it won't change the way things are done, but things are laid out in certain terms how they feel...... :smoke:

[opihimoimoi]

3. Has Joe and Staff been coming to the DU lately????

Damn, about time... lunaresque balls in the nick of the night, luv it.

[mhr]

2. Add This Gem

In the near term, is a change of administrations the best way out of the quagmire?

Biden: About six months ago, the president said to me, "Well, at least I make strong decisions, I lead." I said, "Mr. President, look behind you. Leaders have followers. No one's following. Nobody."

[LibertyorDeath]

4. That's Killer

" look behind you. Leaders have followers. No one's following. Nobody"

[Paragon]

5. The White House categorically denies these conversations ever took place.

[opihimoimoi]

7. DeNile himself...........................................................o

[stellanoir]

9. wow. . .

l never noticed that little Scotty has really disproportionately dinky hands

ewwww

[Sugarbleus]

6. Biden's got brass............ wtg! eom

[Dirty Hippie]

8. This is telling

...

Biden: About six months ago, the president said to me, "Well, at least I make strong decisions, I lead." I said, "Mr. President, look behind you. Leaders have followers. No one's following. Nobody."

Biden has guts.

[Melodybe]

10. I like the sentiment but I don't trust Biden.

The other day he had the gall to say that the Neo-fascists were "good patriots"!

Biden is talking to Rolling-Stone, which buy most accounts is still fairly liberal. He is playing up to his interviewer. Lieberman, McCain, do the same things.

As much as I like someone having the balls to tell Bush to get rid of Rumsfield and Cheney, I wish that someone would demand the war profiteering cyborgs be put into jail.

So as long as Biden says that the neo-cons are good patriots and are running the country the best way they know how, I call BS on Biden. They WANT to run this country into the ground, that is the whole point.

[Kahuna]

11. Wonder if Cheney told him to go Cheney himself.

nt

[trumad]

12. Sorry..but if you watch Biden like I do....

you'll know that he has a way of grandstanding on shit that makes him out to be the almighty. The way Biden says it, Clinton went to Kosovo because he told Clinton to go. It's as if he was the sole reason we went....

I don't buy his version at the White House... I just don't trust this fence walker...

[calico1]

13. Biden is going about it all wrong

Sure, I agree with what he says. But he shouldn't say it to Bush! What if he takes his advice? LOL!