How much do you want to bet Cheney is replaced by Giuliani?

[Cascadian]

I am not kidding. There is pressure bringing to bare on Bush by members of his own party in the light of John Kerry's choice of the charismatic Senator from North Carolina John Edwards. I am willing to bet by August, the White House will announce that Dick Cheney will step aside for health reasons and Bush's running mate will be former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani. The GOP is going to expolit the hell out of 9/11/01 that I am certain they will ask Giuliani to be Bush's VP. Any doubters?

John

[bossfish]

1. Rudy won't go for it...

He's not going to hitch his car to that nag. He'll wait until 2008.

[MissAnnThrope]

3. Perhaps...

However, running for President after being VP has worked for a few Republicans in my lifetime. Giuliani is as much of a power hungry maniac as Shrub. The man is in love with himself and the sound of his own voice. He's all about family values, look at how he Disneyfied Times Square. If you haven't been there in 15 years, you're not going to recognize it at all.

The man has been resting on his laurels more or less, and I'm sure he's stirring. He can't run for Governor, as Pataki is a Republican, so he's not in a position to unseat him. Pataki is on his third term. So unless he calls it quits, Rudy doesn't have an ice cube's chance in Hell.

He knows he can forget Congress. NY votes traditionally Democratic for those seats. Not to mention, he never played well in the boonies of NYS.

But, he did become a national figure as Attorney General of NY, going after organized crime. He became more of one as Mayor of NYC, where he got even more publicity. The man will do anything to get a camera turned toward him. Anything to be in the spotlight. Hey, he's even a lawyer! Which would balance things out on both sides. And look at where he'd get to sit in the Senate! Where all eyes would be on him! The man would jump at the chance to be VP if you ask me.

[President Jesus]

6. Oh yes he would! But it's moot...not going to happen.

[keithyboy]

21. TOOooo many skeletons in Rudi's closet.

Bush may as well stick with Cheney.

[Ruffhowse]

2. Could be, especially if the polls turn bad for Bush/Cheney.

[calico1]

4. Could be yes..

But he's not squeaky clean by any means. He is also a Moderate and pro choice. Although Bush Sr. was also a Moderate and became more right wing to run with Reagan. Giuliani is such an egomaniac though that I don't know that if he sees Bush sinking he will want to jump on the wagon since that could hurt his own future aspirations. And I think no matter who they chose it would make Bush look weak and desperate. A change might appeal to the base, but I don't know about everyone else. So far, according to the pundits, Bush has no plans to drop Cheney. I guess we'll have to see.

(Edit for spelling)

[ps1074]

5. I would bet my left arm

He won't be the VP.

Inless come GOP convention Kerry leads in Pa, Oh, FL, WV and NC. They might try a run for NY's 31 EV (I think it is 31).

Another downside is the Bush/Giuliani will lose the 'famiy values' edge they enojoy now.

So, chances of Giuliani being VP are exactly the same as Hillary would be VP a week ago.

[President Jesus]

7. Cheney is there for the base...

He seems like a huge liability to us because he simply does not speak our language. He might as well be green and have two heads and three arms.

But for the Heritage-tards out there, he is their guy. As odd as it sounds, I feel like Cheney is their Dean...he really pumps up the base in a way Bush can't.

[bklyncowgirl]

8. Oh please if Cheney has to go let it be Rudy

He's a hero for 9/11 and deservedly so but...

Two time loser in the marriage stakes with one of the nastiest divorces in GOP circles in recent years (Ryan I guess gets number 1 but Rudy's comes pretty close AND his ex is a publicity junkie who merrily starred in the "Vagina Monologues" while the divorce settlement was being hammered out by their high priced attorneys.

Pro-Choice (for now he's changed his position on that issue before and I'm sure he'd be willing to do it again)

Essentially pro gay rights.

The fundies would have a fit!

[0007]

14. "Vagina Monologues" Could 'ya give us a little more information

on that is all about?

Thanks for the laugh bklyncowgirl.

[bleedingheart]

18. it's a show that tours the US...Eve Ensler's project

very very funny...here is a link

http://www.vday.org/main.html

I saw it when it came to Pittsburgh...it was great.

[0007]

22. Thanks for the link bleedingheart

This I gotta see!!

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Yes

Right after Hell Freezes Over.

There is no way the GOP will stick someone who is pro-choice on the national ticket. Not now. Not until the Theocrats lose their stranglehold on the party. Just isn't gonna happen.

Besides, dumping Cheney, even for dubious "health reasons", would be an admission that something is wrong. This is an administration that is pathologically incapable of admitting that anything is wrong, that they are wrong, that their facts are wrong.. If reality doesn't jibe with some bullshit that Cheney has repeated, for example, reality must be wrong.

They'll never drop Cheney.

[radfringe]

10. don't see it happening

have heard many reich-wingers saying that the only reason they will vote for bush* is because potty-mouth is on the ticket. Believe it or not - these reich-wingers see bush* as being too liberal.

Moderate republicans and those conservative leaning independents are having a hard time sticking with bush* -- bush* needs potty-mouth to keep the far-right voting for him.

secondly - as it's been often reported -- bush* "values" loyalty above all else -- if he dumps potty-mouth -- then what does that say about loyalty?

There is also speculation that bush* may dump potty-mouth AFTER Nov. selection -- (that is assuming bush* is appointed again). On the surface there would be no gain DIRECTLY for bush* to dump potty-mouth -- but there could be a gain for GOPers as a whole. Replacing potty-mouth AFTER Nov. could give GOPers an edge in 2006 midterms and introduce the country to an "heir-apparent"

This would be risky -- if potty-mouth were to be replaced, it will have to be for 'plausible and non-controversial' reasons -- such as health concerns. Any replacement due to, ummm, errr, fallout from a scandal (like Halliburton, war-profiteering or Plame-outing) would definitely damage GOPers.

[bushwakker]

11. The GOP will not accept a pro-choice Veep

The Fundy base would not go along with this. The Veep is the heir apparent, the favorite in 2008. This would rip the party apart.

[AmerDem]

12. This has been brought up already..... look here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x572869

[Bob3]

13. Not a Chance.

1) Cheney is running the country, doing the day to day stuff that * doesn't give a damn about. Ditching Cheney would mean * would have to pay attention during briefings and read things - won't happen. * is quite willing to let Dick run the country as long as he can play dress up from time to time. Really any decision to dump Cheney would come from Cheney so forget this.
2) To ditch Cheney would be to admit, no matter how much they try and make it a health issue, that * had made a mistake and * NEVER makes mistakes remember?

[sadiesworld]

15. I think it is quite likely that * will dump Cheney (actually Cheney will

still call the shots from some undisclosed location) but I don't see Giuliani on the ticket. I would guess McCain or Frist. Rice has some real potential in terms of minority votes, but could backfire.

[OpSomBlood]

16. "Guiliani was Bush's second choice."

I can see the ads now.

[Kahuna]

17. The fundies would crucify * if he choose Guiliani.

nt

[Killarney]

19. I don't think Cheney will be on the ticket in Nov.

but it won't be Rudy either (pro-choice). Maybe Tom Ridge.

[izzie]

20. I do not think so. Giuliani is to far off the sin free map.

Frankly I do not think he is much of a person anyhow. He is one of those "little' people in thought.