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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:21 PM
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I was at the Bush rally in York..long post..nauseating time

First, has anyone seen attendance numbers reported? My guess would be about 4,000-5,000, although supposedly 8-10,000 were supposed to be there, with all tickets reportedly given out several days before the rally.

Maybe up to 1000 hand-picked people were seated in bleachers behind and to the left of the President. I'll have to look at my camera shots when I get the film developed; I didn't count while there. The rest of us standing in the open area in front I would guess were about 50-60 deep, with about 25 people pressed in front of me, and about 25 behind me, more spaced out. It was between 1/2 and 2/3 full standing room.

In the bleachers above, we noticed the different groupings of people walking in: Firemen and Rescue workers, police, military, lots of Secret Service looking types all in the same suits, and about 25-30 people in doctor's white coats (I've never seen a real doctor in a white coat...just on TV) and one in the O.R. room blues with stethoscopes. I took a picture of them coming on because I couldn't figure out what in the world that was going to be about. My husband starts saying loudly, hey, when is the Inner City African American and Hispanic group of representatives going to come on stage? As we described this scene to our friends later (whom we joined in the protest on the streets), one commented Sheez that's like a Broadway show. And of course, two little girls about ten years old were there to sing our national anthem. And Miss York County was there in her crown. Why do we do this at political rallies? I asked my husband if perhaps this is not some modern day version of the ancient practice of sacrificing the virgin to the gods or offering one's virgin daughter to the services of the king. It just strikes me as odd.

We went in around 3pm. I didn't have a watch, but close to 4pm some entertainers came on...Dana Alexander?? I think was her name, some Pennsylvania Christian rock (?) band, then the Oak Ridge Boys. Since we were standing in a congested area on hard concrete for almost three hours before Wubya came on, the music did help distract me somewhat from the pains in my legs and feet. As I tried to control the stabbing pains (bad shoe choice), I found myself asking, Why am I doing this to see someone I despise? And then I reminded myself of a friends advice that it's good to be quiet, absorb, see what is going on on the other side.

Then Santorum gives a speech. Oh yuk! Just seeing his face makes me recoil. His entire speech, the whole thing, all he did was try to invoke blood passion for war. That was it, his entire point, nothing else to say. You could translate his speech into other languages very simply: Fear! Fear! Fear! Kill! Kill! Kill!

The State Rep from the House gave a speech; frankly I sort of tuned out.

A Catholic (Orthodox) priest said a prayer, that God guide us in our choice of a leader, to which I gave a VERY LOUD, AMEN TO THAT! What I wanted to hear him say was: Thou Shalt Not Kill. Vengeance is Mine Says the Lord. Of course, he didn't.

The lights went down. The music to "Eye of the Tiger" started to play: Dum, dum-dum-dum, dummmmm....... Dum, dum-dum-dum, dummm....
The garage-type door to our right opened, and a bus pulled in. Bush walks on stage to cheers, some "Four more years", or USA USA.

Speaking of the bus, I went almost hysterical with laugher when he referred to it as his 'little' bus. Yep. The short-bus president bragging about his little bus that he was seeing the beautiful countryside in. Yep, just a little Mr. Average America, puke.

But before the speech, let me relate some comments to you from other people there.

When my husband asked where is the inner city reps on the stage, I looked around and saw all white faces...except for two CSPAN cameramen who were African American. The Bush supporter next to me claimed he saw five walking into the building. He said to me, yes, the Republicans need to get more minorities into the party. I said to him, And what do the Republicans have to offer these people. He just stared silently ahead, with a blank look on his face. He could not say anything at all...he was completely blank... I said, this party has absolutely nothing to offer to blacks and hispanics, except a 'job' that means death or dismemberment on the front lines. He had nothing to say. Frankly, I would like to hear a Republican explain what they think they have to offer to minorities. Have any of them even TRIED??? I've never heard a peep on this.

Before the speech, on the topic of the war, I contributed to a conversation that I am Christian, and what about Thou Shalt Not Kill and Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord. I said that several times to several Republicans. Again, all I got was a quiet blankness. No retorts, no explanations, no justifications. Just silence. No angry looks on my comments, just bewildered silence. I WANT THEM TO ANSWER ME, DAMN IT. But being in enemy territory, and not wanting to be thrown out, I did not push further.
This is too long...I'll continue in another post added to this about the speech and the demonstrations we participated in.

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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:26 PM
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1. Awesome! I have been getting the same blank stare since January.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 12:27 PM by Melodybe
My poor repub father in law hasn't won an argument in so long it is sad.


I never sould have done it but I really appreciate your ability to do so.

:kick:
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:27 PM
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2. Please tell the rest! Ya got me goin there....
Congrats on confronting some of those Republicans.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:27 PM
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3. If those lazy blacks would just stop collecting welfare...
get off their asses and join the right country club they could be Republicans.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:48 PM
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8. That is exactly what pro Bushers were shouting at us as we
protested outside: get off welfare and get a job!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:28 PM
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4. Thanks for the report
My observations of the bush crowds , are almost
robotic like . Almost like they don't pay attention
to his rambling but cheer when certain phrases are
uttered . Kind of like a hypnotic trance .

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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:32 PM
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5. Hey Deb
I am from Dover and I was handing out Kerry stickers at the West Manchester mall while people protested.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:53 PM
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9. Wow! You came all the way from Dover! Hey do you know the
owner of the cinema there is a staunch Republican supporter. As soon as the Friday dollar numbers for F911 came out, he began calling for a copy of F911, every hour for days, he told the local paper, to get a copy for his theatre. Profits rule!
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:10 PM
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14. HaHa
I saw that movie at that theater. I hope he enjoys my money as much as I enjoyed the movie.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:15 PM
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17. Oops...I'm a newbie in PA. I thought you meant Dover Delaware
I just remembered passing the signs for Dover, Pa. Ha!
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nightperson Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:45 PM
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6. "Eye of the Tiger"?
I pity the fool.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:47 PM
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7. Bush's speech..heard about 90%, then had to walk out
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 12:51 PM by DebJ
Oh my god that was sooooooo hard, to stand and listen to those lies, and the crowds' blood-thirsty cheers. Oh my god. I even had to say out loud many, many times, Oh my god in heaven above help me I can't take this. I was almost crying just before we left.

Still, I would like to read the speech somewhere, because what got me even beyond his particular lies was the sequencing of his speech, and with emotion and fatigue, (and old age, ha ha) I've forgotten some of it, I'm sure.

One of the first things he did was knock Kerry and Edwards. Talked about Cheney's magnificent experience...puke, puke...to cheers from some of the crowd. Then he knocked Edwards for lack of experience. He knocked Kerry for being wishy-washy and jumping sides, saying if you don't like what Kerry said today, wait a few days, and he will change it. You all know how that routine goes, as many of us knew it would go as soon as we saw the Democratic debates, and knew what would happen if Kerry was selected. He came close to, but did not say, that Kerry has voted for and is promising to do Bush's program that Bush is already doing, something forecast here during the primaries, I recall vividly.

Dubya said the Democrats want an isolationist economy, that we want to close our borders, but internationalizing is good for business and good for jobs. Of course he quoted HIS numbers on a gain in jobs, as did another speaker. Both times this was said, I had to say very loudly (but not shouting) oh yeah, Walmart jobs, at $8 an hour. Go Walmart greeters!
One nauseating part was that his very next topic was the high cost of medical care. Hey, what happened to internationalizing prescriptions, huh!!!! I was furious as he explained the problem is tort law and malpractice cases. Again I said loudly, hey, why can't the poor import their drugs from Canada so they can afford all the medicine they need!!!! Damn, I was so angry. I could not believe he rolled from saying 'we need to be international in our business practices' right into the high cost of medical care. And these dolts just swallowed it right down, most of them.
And his speech topics kept rolling into each other, just like that. I could just see the say one thing, do another, topic after topic. That's why I'd like to see a written copy of his speech.
He talked about how SMALL businesses make America strong, how health care costs are hurting them....Mr. Big Business speaking as if he helps small businesses! Puke. Then he says,his economic plan is working and we need to make the tax cuts permanent. As the crowd cheered loudly, my husband screamed out "NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!" like someone being stabbed. My husband said all he could see was an America that had become like a feudal territory, with the big tax cut guys owing everything and the rest of us are slaves. A young man and his wife, in their early twenties, said to us that "but businesses are what create all the jobs"... All I could say was honey, I've worked for big corporations, some of them in the top three internationally in their fields, for over thirty years, and you just have no idea what you are talking about. I couldn't say anymore; my wealth of experience has seen toooooo much, and when I was his age, I felt the same. I bought the trickle down shit at first myself. He saw how incredibly sad I was as I said this. He said nothing. The bulk of the people there to support Bush were very nice, good old Americans....I mean that as a complement. Their hearts seem very good to me; I would like them as people, as friends, as neighbors who need to get educated instead of preached to in holy roller fashion. But then, there were the War Mongers, the Blood Thirsty.

Blood Thirsty from my couch potato seat, it turns out. Bush asked the audience to raise their hands if they had family, friends, loved ones in the Armed Forces. I raised mine, as I looked about. My nephew is in the Air Force, and his wife. A very close family friend has a son in Iraq, and a very good Marine friend of my daughters just got shipped there as well. I did not think of this at the time, but as I related this to a fellow demonstrator on the street a few minutes later, she said to me, I bet not too many people raised their hands, did they? And I had to confirm that was true. I could see the entire audience, and I'm telling you, not more than 12-15 people or so raised their hands....and I was one of them. So easy to support a war fought by others children. It is not just the members of Congress, as pointed out by Moore. It is also present in the general body of American citizens. The draft will wake them out of that, won't it?????

But the real horror for me was the people screaming out things like "Go get them!" Horrible, blood thirsty war cries. I was so sickened. During the protest outside I lost control a time or two and said to some Bush supporters, YOU put YOUR ass on the front line. Put YOUR kids there! Leave my kids alone! You like blood, YOU go do it! And YOU pay for it!
I actually heard these words out of Bush's mouth yesterday: that we went to Iraq because of the Weapons of Mass Destruction! Oh my god! And these people still buy that shit!
I started repeating, Vengeance is Mine, Saith the Lord. Thou Shalt Not Kill! I told my husband, I have to leave. This craving for blood is making me ill. I was crying; I was shaking. I was heart-broken for my country, for my children, for the world. As we walked out through the (surprisingly thin) crowd behind us, I kept saying those bible quotes, shaking my head No, and trying to stop crying. People there looked at me with sympathy. If I reached just ONE person, that hell was worth it. Just One, Lord, I pray. And I was praying in that hell hole disguised as patriotism. The nationalistic ethnocentric fervor was really pictching up as we left. And yet, I did see sympathy on the faces of many of the crowd, as I left weeping.

Next post: the demonstration






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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:59 PM
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10. Thanks for the report Deb
You have a stronger stomach than I do. I would have been vomiting.

Was bush as inarticulate as usual? I have taken to counting the number of "Uhhhh"'s per sentence.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:12 PM
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15. His body language was being criticized by some pro-Bush guys
at a restaurant we went to later. They said "He looks like an IDIOT!" Every time he says something, he stops, does that stupid head-bobbing thing, gives that stupid looking smirky grin and that idiotic little laugh.

I enjoyed hearing that conversation, I tell you.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:30 PM
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25. You would have been vomiting. I would have been chewing LOTS of gum.
And then throwing those gum wads on the ground for some of these bloodthirsty limbots to step on.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:20 PM
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24. Hate sending you there, after what you've endured,
but, as you requested, here's a link to the speech:
http://www.georgewbush.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=2926

Trust me - I tried to read it, and your take is much, much better. How can people believe the garbage that spews from his mouth?

Hope you're home safe now, and resting your feet. Standing on concrete is a killer.



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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:08 PM
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11. Well, you blew your cover, Agent X, but at least you gave
that neocon something to think about. *lol*

Sorry you had to sit through all that nonsense, but thanks for doing it. :)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:09 PM
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12. I went to a Bush protest three years ago
There were a handful of pro-Bushbots there. I swear, you could tell just by looking at faces, not signs nor clothing, who was pro-Bush and who was anti-Bush. The protesters just had a look in their eyes; they looked engaged and SMART, dammit. They made witty comments and had fast observations. The pro-Bush people had a bovine-like quality about their eyes. They just looked STUPID and unquestioning and blank and frankly just plain pathetic.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:14 PM
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16. Quote from The York Daily Record today:
"They argued from opposite sides of the police barrier near the Toyota Arena - one of the lines between those who wanted to see the president speak and those who want to see him defeated in November. Yellow police tape exaggerated the already apparent divide - work-boots and blue jeans, business suits and summer dresses."

What cool reporting, huh? Two women: Jennifer Gish and Lauri Lebo. Go team!
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:10 PM
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13. the best part was joining the demonstrators and our friends
outside later, chanting Four More Months. No more Bush. Hey-hey, ho-ho, George Bush has got to go. Four More Wars. No more wars.

I was still shaking as I joined my fellow true patriots. I told them of my experience in hell (Armageddon). They were incredulous that we had actually been in there. Two people had tickets also, but did not have the nerve to go in. They were glad we had gone in.

The Billionaires for Bush group was there demonstrating. This was artistic genius. I loved it. I personally only saw one guy, dressed in a very nice silk vest, long sleeve shirt, suit pants, with a No Billionaire Left Behind sign, smiling and waving like a rich corporate manager. The article in the paper, The York Daily Record, this morning said this is a national group, and told of things I'd missed:
"Cloaked in the uniforms of the elite - power suits, ball gowns, tiaras - the Billionairs crash Republican events with champagne flutes in tehir hands, fake bills falling out of their pockets and slogans such as "Corporations are people too" and "No billionaire Left Behind!"
The article reports they have a downloadable do it yourself manual.

Showing the true attention span of Bush supporters, the newspaper reports that several Bush fans actually honked the Billionaires for Bush, thinking they were supporters.

The newspaper was very small today...but it was all the Bush story.
Good, Let's get people thinking here. Bush lost PA last election, the only thing he won was my county. Let's stir it up. Make them think, wake up, stop sleeping. I am so glad he came here.

We had some great people at the demonstration, discouraging us from engaging with the few enraged Bush supporters...which is very smart and very necessary.

But I did engage a bit with a young girl, about 11 years old, who was behind the fence inside the fair grounds, and who began shouting to us on the other side of the fence something like, Why don't you support our President? She was so sweet, so naieve, and obviously loved her country and people. She seemed a very good child.

I said Honey, we don't want YOU to die over there. We don't want YOU on the front lines. We don't want people to be killed in war.

She said, What about all of our people that he killed? I said, Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, honey. Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were at opposite ends of opinion on Muslim rule, and I spread my hands far apart. They were enemies of each other, not helpers.

I looked up and saw another protestor, looking frustrated, gesturing to me with his eyes that he wanted to speak, so I stopped. He continued on with her about the findings of the 9/11 commission; I rejoined my friends. A few minutes later, I saw her further back from the fence, still holding her Bush/Cheney sign, but I tell you, for a few minutes, she earnestly listened. She will not forget this experience, and that will hopefully be good for her. I hope she asked her parents about the 911 Commission report when she went home.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:19 PM
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18. thanks for your report and stamina
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:25 PM
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19. Talk About Your Front Lines
Deb, my hats off to you and hubby. That had to be traumatic, sitting in the den of the enemy for a while. How telling that so few raised their hands when asked who had relatives serving in the military. The Republican party is no more than a horde of hypocrites. Plain and simple. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:17 PM
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20. kick
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:13 PM
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21. Thanks for the kick, you did a wonderful job
Great report.

The speech part of your description sounded so much like a bible revival. That is probably how BushCo suckers him in.

It did surprise me about how the people there were nice and listened to you. It has been my experience that they don't and just fire back with anger. Even though you may not have penetrated though the revivalist fog clouding their brains, at least you got them to listen.

At least you had fun at the protest afterward. Thanks.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:24 PM
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22. You deserve an offering of chocolate rum cake for enduring
this for the rest of us. This really sounds so surreal to me. How can the true believers endure this bull shit?
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:51 PM
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23. oohhh I've never had chocolate rum cake...sounds yummy I
love chocolate!
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 11:29 PM
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26. A VERY different kind of protest in Lancaster PA
Bush continued on his bus tour to Lancaster PA where he came across a number of interesting protesters, as reporter in the Lancaster New Era newspaper - www.lancnews.com

"Six young men from Lancaster City wearing only thong underwear were arrested along Old Philadelphia Pike when they attempted to recreate the infamous picture of Iraqi prisoners forced into a human pyramid at Abu Ghraib prison. They were cited and released after the president’s campaign bus had left the Smoketown area. On his release, Egolf declared, “I’m not going to pay a dime. We didn’t break the law. How do you get arrested for expressing your feelings?”

"Later, as the motorcade passed through Lancaster, Martin Andrews, 42, of 228 N. Reservoir St., made an obscene gesture and dropped his pants at the president’s convoy...

About 300 people were strategically placed outside the Republican Committee of Lancaster County building, vying for the most dominant position to ensure the president’s attention as he zoomed past them in a bus moving about 40 mph.

Anti-Bush signs seen along the parade route: “Liar,” “Thief + Liar + Murder = Bush,” “Words of mass deception,” “More trees, less Bush,” “Impeach Bush,” “Outsource Bush,” “Words of Mass Deception,” “Stop Killing Children” and “Like father, like son — 1 term only.”
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