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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 12:53 PM
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Why We Will Win
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 01:20 PM by ZombyWoof
I feel it's time for a little encouragement, to keep the burst of optimism and hope we were given this week some more momentum. Enough through November? Well, I don't know. We have a convention ahead. We have the media onslaught to master. We have many weeks to go. But we need a good word on behalf of those of us who seek to end the Bush reign. I will be satisifed to get through the weekend on a good note.

I reject the defeatist blather coming from our very own ranks, ready to hand the keys to power over to the worst criminal gang to ever infest the government in its 228 year existence and make it 232.

It isn't about the polls - the margin of error, or even the historical precedents of incumbents trailing this late in the game.

Register to vote, and urge others to register. We'll argue polls later. History doesn't respect precedent, and we must not take our surge for granted.

It isn't about the Great Divide in America of blue states and red states, urban or rural, southern, northern, midwestern, or anywhere else.

We have enough divide among ourselves.

Molly Ivins said you gotta dance with what brung ya, and I don't care if you think John Kerry is the worst dance partner you ever met on the floor - some think he is the best, others are in the middle, and others will watch our feet as he leads. Many will not dance at all, and can instead watch Bush burn down the dance hall.

If you don't welcome the opportunity for change, the chance to exile Bush and his cronies, or just to have a president we can honestly disagree with - a president who will not arrogantly dismiss your concerns... then what the hell are you waiting for?

As a supporter of Dennis Kucinich, I can honestly tell you Kerry was far from my first choice, let alone second or third.

So you might say, "Well Zomby, are you supporting the ticket we have as a vote against Bush? Don't you want to be FOR something?"

And I reply:

We can have both, if we want it. We can vote against Bush AND work for dialogue and democracy again by supporting John Kerry and John Edwards. We'll work for solutions, results, and yes, inevitably, learn about the great American art of compromise when we don't always get what we want. If you noticed, compromise and the craft of statesmanship have all but died under Bush. No matter what you say about Kerry, he will bring more than a modicum of seriousness and purpose to the White House again. He will fight the Republicans on issues of taxation, business, and healthcare. We will leave No Child Left Behind behind. We will have a sound domestic energy policy again. If we want it bad enough.

We will also have to clean up the mess left to us in Iraq. We will have to repair our damaged friendships with long-time allies.

Even if you want to dwell on the IWR, remember: At least Kerry and Edwards will own up to their responsibility for it. Would Bush or Cheney ever do the same?

Does the arc of a person's record of public service matter to you? Can one vote disproportionately undo the balance of good from the rest? I say, resoundingly, no.

We can argue the IWR later.

If we had chosen Wesley Clark or Howard Dean as our nominee, I would be saying the very same things.

We will argue later about having the candidate of our dreams.

This isn't about the latest Gimmick of the Week produced by the media for your consumption, which handily distracts us from the important issues of the day.

It isn't about winning for the sake of winning.

It is simply about enough of us not satisfied with the status quo; we're enraged, discomforted, alienated, or just plain tired of what is. We dare dream about what could be. We know this nation has done better, and can do better again.

We will not be defined by a perpetual war or the fear which is marketed with it.

As liberals, we seek change, and reject a status quo that divides the nation further, costs billions in our taxes, costs too many lives abroad, and leaves us adrift, no compass, no life raft, and no beacon to take us home.

The triumph of liberalism is our history of reform, struggle, and progress. When enough people, regardless of ideology, are tired of the America that is, and want a better life for ourselves and our descendants, we change it. We fix it. We love America enough to continually strive for its improvement. We are the patriots who hold fast to the ideals of liberty, equality, and the pursuit of our dreams. Happiness, it has been called. I like having that as a choice, and an inalienable human right. I know you do too.

When the changes of the past become the status quo, and the entrenched conservatism of the present, we change things again. Or at least, we should.

When we don't, we allow the forces of reaction to take over.

Folks, they have taken over.

We must be mindful of our history, even as we look forward. Too often, we dismiss it at our peril. We live under a regime which scorns the past, while recklessly plundering forward with arrogant disregard of the consequences. The Republicans are the party of collective irresponsibility, as it were. What did we expect of a party that extols greed and selfishness as virtues? For once in his career, Bush told the truth when he sneered, "Who cares what you think?" That is on the current White House seal.

We live under a regime that mocks the opportunities of the underclass with empty promises of job growth. We live under a regime that mocks the rights of women and the sanctity of their bodies and minds.

We live under a regime that wages war for profit, while cynically exploiting our very real grief and outrage over an attack on our sisters and mothers and fathers and brothers of New York City, Washington D.C., and western Pennsylvania. Their lives have been exploited perversely. We know that, or millions wouldn't be flocking to see Michael Moore's film exposing this raw truth.

Haven't you had enough of this?

John Kerry and John Edwards are no saviors. They are politicians, and mortal human beings bound to fail us and disappoint us many times.

But we the people, seeking a more perfect union, should give them a chance to lead, and more importantly, a chance for us to lead them.

Out of this present darkness, quickly.

We will win, but you have to want it bad enough.

Win now, for there will be time enough for debate come late January next year and onward.

We will win, because I firmly believe enough Americans want change, to reject Bush and everything he has wrought, and to regain their confidence and optimism in ourselves and fellow travelers.

We will win.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:08 PM
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1. Rock on Zomby, I think is my favorite post of yours ever!
We will win, because failure is not an option.

Did you catch the Dean/Nader debate?

It was so great. I voted Nader in 2000 and was a Dean supporter in the primaries, but once Nader decided to run again I realised that Dean has more integrity in his little finger than Nader has had in the last 20 years.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:11 PM
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2. I agree Melodybe. Nader is out to sell books-he doesn't care who gets.
hurt in the process.

:shrug:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:11 PM
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3. only snippets
I listen to NPR at work often, and could only catch bits and pieces, because I was closing some matters from last month and couldn't devote my full attention. :-( Dean said the right things to Nader in the right way, based on the transcript excerpts I have read.

Thanks for reading! :hi:

WE WILL WIN.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:12 PM
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4. And if the vote tallies come out in favor of *, we're going to take the
White House back some other way.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:14 PM
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5. Outstanding thread, and worthy of the DU homepage.
Thanks for the pep talk, ZW!! It's been getting all shitty in here again lately, but I'm not letting anyone talk me down from the high I've been riding since seeing Kerry and Edwards last Wednesday.

Thank you... and you're especially right about Bush burning down the dance hall.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:18 PM
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7. Thanks Jen-Jen!
I appreciate the high praise, coming from one of the best.

Glad to see you keeping that energy going from this week!

Have you framed the newspaper front page yet? That is a keeper for generations. :-)
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:14 PM
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6. I hope you're right.
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:20 PM
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8. Excellent Stuff, Zomby
Kerry was far from my first choice. In fact, outside of Lieberman and Sharpton, he was my last choice. Lieberman's a DINO, and Sharpton just has too checkered a past, he'd have been cannon fodder.

I was a very early Edwards supporter. I my heart, I wanted Dean, but Dean wasn't looking like a winner back then...and Edwards did look like a winner...and his message was close enough to what I was for.

I changed allegiance to Dean when it looked as though the race was Dean's to lose. Unfortunately, that is exactly what he did. So, with nary a qualm, I retreated back to the Edwards camp, and worked diligently for him. I voted for him in my own state primary.

I was not pleased when Kerry won. I don't really like him. I have a personal cross to bear with a different policy stance of his than IWR. And it is an issue so strong for me that my vote, in November, was going to be a vote AGAINST Bush...and not FOR Kerry.

Now that my guy, Edwards, is the VP Nominee, I, thankfully, have something to vote FOR now, and I'm jazzed as hell! I wish the ticket were reversed...Edwards/Kerry...or better yet, Edwards/Dean.

But that is not to be.

For the most part, I can agree with most of Kerry's political stances, save the one, which I'll not bring up here. And I'm not gonna let that one issue...near and dear to my heart as it may be...allow the Evil Empire another four years in power! but I am SO grateful that the pick was Edwards...at least now there is something I can vote FOR!!

Right now, we progressives have to come together. Yeah, maybe we will fundamentally disagree with some of Kerry's stances. I know I will. But at least I can disagree with a few things he may say and do...and still like and respect the man. For the most part, Kerry is ok.

We need to come together.

Ask yourselves, you third-party folks...where are you going to get the biggest bang for your buck this time out? Voting for your third-party guy, and possibly helping the Evil Empire take another four years...or voting for a guy you may have one or two near and dear issues you disagree with him on, but, for the most part, will take this country back closer to what it should be?

I encourage third-party and Greens to continue to work hard for their causes...try gettting some local-level Greens and maybe some state-level Greens elected. THERE is the place where your idealism will count, and matter most. But for House, Senate, and Presidential votes...right now, our biggest bang for our buck is going to be to unite behind the Kerry/Edwards ticket...much that we may have some fundamental differences...and get the Evil Empire out of office NOW...before it is too late!

Please, right now we need unity! Only together can we bring the htdra-headed monster that is BushCo to it's knees!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:27 PM
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10. thanks for a thoughtful reply!
I would like to add that there is nothing wrong with voting AGAINST a candidate. For some reason, maybe because of our inherent idealism as Democrats or progressives, that we are conditioned to be FOR, FOR, FOR.

I think voting against Bush is a sign of having a brain, and giving a damn! The rest you can work out yourself! :-)
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:35 PM
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12. You're Welcome
I just have to speak from the heart.

And, the way I see it...the correct way to vote is going to be voting in a way that has the maximum impact...the most bang for the buck. Therefore, cleaning house of these evil GOP bastards has to come first....so we gotta suck up, unite, and come together if we want a chance at getting our country back.

And, meanwhile, channel all that healthy idealism (we need it!!) into getting some Green or other third-party candidates of your choice into elected office on local and state levels, where there is a chnce they will win, and have some impact.

As the system currently stands, no one is getting the White Hpuse except someone from one of the two major parties. This must change!! But it will take time! If you want to see a future where that could happen, then for right NOW we need to unite behind Kerry/Edwards, and get the evil Bushites out!

The idealism is good...this country NEEDS it's idealists. But think about where to apply that idealism where you will get some bang for your buck! Senate, Congress, and Presidential ballots are NOT where you're going to get bang for your buck if you are a Green or other third-party person!

The Democratic Party, on the national level, while far from perfect...is a lot closer to what you want than BushCo is...and, whether or not we want to face this...after November, one of two men WILL be President. And his last name is not going to start with an "N."
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:25 PM
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9. I can feel this great land moving under me it aches for change!
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:35 PM
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11. Go with our common sense, and our gut feelings we will win in Nov!
"We will win!"... nicely said, my good friend Zomby Woof! :* :hi: :hug:
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:37 PM
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13. marvelous. we will win. indeed.
"Molly Ivins said you gotta dance with what brung ya, and I don't care if you think John Kerry is the worst dance partner you ever met on the floor - some think he is the best, others are in the middle, and others will watch our feet as he leads. Many will not dance at all, and can instead watch Bush burn down the dance hall."

BRAVO.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:55 PM
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14. Kick!!
:dem:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 01:55 PM
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15. Very eloquent - Thank you for writing this . . .
W E W I L L W I N !
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:28 PM
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16. ZombyKick
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 03:56 PM
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17. All Aboard The Kerry/Edwards Train!
This ticket has the STEAM!



RL
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 04:56 PM
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18. Volcano-Kick
:kick:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:03 PM
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19. YES
A Zombyclassic that needs to hit the front page.

I am there with you on this one!

:hi:

:yourock:
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:42 PM
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20. This deserves another Kick!
:kick:

RL
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:48 PM
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21. Of course we will win
We must.


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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:58 PM
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22. Brilliant post!
Very well written, and very true. We seem to need a peptalk now. Why, I'm not sure, when we've got so much going for us. But this should help. And I love your line about the IWR. Kerry and Edwards will own up to their responsibiltiy for it, and we KNOW * won't! They also will not "lead" us into further wars to enrich the bank accounts of Halliburton.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:07 PM
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23. That was just magnificent...
...it should be filmed, narrated, and archived over at Moveon.org (no bull, I really liked it).
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 10:30 AM
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24. Sunday Morning kickin'
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 10:32 AM
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25. After being back in the U.S. one week, I am not confident at all
:(
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 10:49 AM
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26. and that's the Zomby troof
:bounce:
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-04 11:11 AM
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27. Excellent. I have never been more optimistic than I have in the past
two weeks. I believe our base has been energized, and like others, I'm finding people voicing displeasure toward Bush. F911 and the Edwards announcement have been a breath of fresh air. I'm with you Zomby, and TIA, and others who have claimed "Bush is Toast." We're energized, and we're going to win this thing!
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