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Fusions_Minion Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:25 PM
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Anyone have any proof of neocon complicity in 9/11?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:26 PM
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1. I guess a report titled "bin Laden Determined to strike inside US"
...was a big old clue?
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:31 PM
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2. Just like Hitler in Mein Kampf, the neocons stated their agenda openly....
"The process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

-"Rebuilding America's Defenses -- Strategy, Forces, and Resources for a New Century," page 51
Project for the New American Century, September 2000
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:41 PM
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3. The following is a good place to start finding out the answer
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 05:41 PM
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4. Cui bono?
busholini jr and neo-cons headed for impeachment before 9-11, blank checks after.

It's not difficult.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:22 PM
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5. Here 'ya go........links and everything!
So far, no one has offered a plausible explanation for the following sequence of events:

In May 2001 the U.S. State Department met with Iran, German and Italian officials to discuss Afghanistan. It was decided that the ruling Taliban would be toppled and a "broad-based government" would control the country so a gas pipeline could be built there.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/7969.pdf.
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex20867.htm


Even as plans were being made to remove the Taliban rulers from power, Colin Powell announced a $43 million "gift" to Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-091701scheer.column
http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html


Meanwhile, the U.S. Embassy in the UAE received a call that Bin Laden supporters were in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives. It was rumored that Bin Laden was interested in hijacking U.S. aircraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/images/04/10/whitehouse.pdf

In June 2001 the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense was changed. NORAD’s military commanders could no longer issue the command to launch fighter jets because approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp

In July 2001, the private plot formulated in May for toppling the Taliban was divulged during the G8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Immediately after the conference, American, Russian, German and Pakistani officials secretly met in Berlin to finalize the strategy for military strikes against the Taliban, scheduled to begin before mid-October 2001

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html


In September 2001 the "catastrophic and catalyzing" modern-day Pearl Harbor envisioned years earlier by the White House members of thePNAC came to pass when the WTC and Pentagon were attacked with U.S. aircraft. Immediately, the finger of blame was pointed at Osama bin Laden, a former CIA operative with ties to Afghanistan. Suddenly, the U.S. "gift" of $43 million to the Taliban in May was cast in a new light. Coincidentally, Pakistan had participated in the plan to attack Afghanistan and the chief of Pakistan's Inter Service Intelligence agency was later linked to a 911 hijacker after wiring him $100,00 just days before the WTC fell.

http://cryptome.org/rad.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1454238160


In October 2001, with flags waving, crowds cheering, and anthems playing, the "War On Terror" and the hunt for Osama began when Afghanistan was attacked right on schedule of July's secret meeting


Shorrtly afterwards, public focus was diverted to Iraq. You know the rest of the story.


For details on the PNAC coup of the White House see "The Whispering Campaign" link below.
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MyshkinCommaPrince Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:35 PM
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6. modern-day Pearl Harbor
I have always thought it interesting that summer 2001 saw the movie Pearl Harbor in the theatres, with all of the attendant discussion of the event. My tinfoil hat (I have matching britches, too) has always suggested to me that there was some kind of cultural conditioning going on, particulalry once the PNAC manifestoes are taken into account. Yet no one has ever seemed to raise this thought in any of the 9/11 theories. Maybe I just don't know compelling tinfoil when I see it....

Sorry for the drive-by semi-OT. I seem to excell at it. Just don't let me kill the thread. :)
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:58 PM
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8. You're not alone!
I had the same thought myself, fwiw. No need to apologize. Of course, my own tinfoil wardrobe is rather extensive... ;-)

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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:45 PM
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7. great post. Thanks!
Kick!!!
:dem:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 06:58 PM
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9. Here's some stuff to plow through:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 07:07 PM
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10. Michael Ledeen and fascist terror
You know Michael Ledeen: arguably Washington's most influential neoconservative. Resident scholar of the senior neocon think tank, the American Enterprise Institute; regarded by keepers of the official story as one of the world's leading authorities on intelligence, counter-intelligence and international affairs. Ledeen is one of the leading champions of the "War on Terror."

Have you heard of Italy's "Strategy of Tension"? It was a campaign of false-flag terrorism in the late 1970s, waged by fascist groups which enjoyed CIA sponsorship - the Gladio Brigades and Licio Gelli's P2 Lodge - with aid of the Mafia and the connivance of elements of the Italian state. Its purpose was to discredit the increasingly popular Communist Party, and to ensure it would not take power, by staging terrorist acts in the name of the Left. The campaign culminated in the Bologna train station bombing of 1980.

Now, do you know where Michael Ledeen was during the Strategy of Tension, and what he was doing, and with whom he was consorting?

"...terrorism has been Ledeen's bread and butter since at least the late 1970s, when he consulted for Italian military intelligence."
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8249

From Asia Times:

"Ledeen's right-wing Italian connections - including alleged ties to the P2 Masonic Lodge that rocked Italy in the early 1980s - have long been a source of speculation and intrigue, but he returned to Washington in 1981 as "anti-terrorism" advisor to the new secretary of state, Al Haig.

"Over the next several years, Ledeen used his position as consultant to Haig, the Pentagon and the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan to boost the notion of a global terrorist conspiracy based in the Kremlin, whose KGB pulled the strings of all of the world's key terrorist groups, especially in the Middle East."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF26Ak03.html

"In 1980 he entered into a collaboration with Francesco Pazienza, an agent of the Italian secret service (SISMI) and a member of Rome's extreme right-wing Masonic Lodge, P2 (Propaganda Due), headed by the fascist Licio Gelli. In an Italian criminal court in 1985, Pazienza was judged guilty of political manipulation, forgery, and the protection of criminals and terrorists, among other offenses. Indeed, according to the findings of the court, Pazienza falsified information about the Bologna bombing in order to divert attention away from the real (right-wing) terrorists who had staged the attack."
(excerpt from Herman/O'Sullivan's The "Terrorism" Industry, 1989, quoted http://billmon.org/archives/000653.html ).

From Barbara Honegger's October Surprise, more on Ledeen and P2:

"When the Italian police raided (P2 Lodge founder) Gelli's home in March 1981, it was Michael Ledeen who, at the instigation of Alexander Haig and Henry Kissinger, offered to buy the list of 953 P2 members in an apparent attempt to keep it from becoming public. Henry Kissinger had also reportedly sent Ledeen to Italy to try to squash an investigation into his and Haig's involvement in the founding of P2.

"On the morning of August 2, 1980, a massive bomb since linked to Gelli...exploded in the waiting room of the central train station in Bologna, killing 81 people and injuring 200 others. General Santorito, the chief of Italy's military intelligence agency, SISMI, who was also reportedly a member of P2, testified in the wake of the bombing that it had been planned by the British-Swiss-American Montecarlo Comite, P2's "sister" organization based in Monaco. When P2 had come under increasing scrutiny in 1979, grandmaster Licio Gelli had reportedly made his base of operations the Montecarlo Comite.... Not surprisingly, reported members of the Montecarlo Comite are Gelli, Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig and Michael Ledeen."

Now, here are Ledeen's own words, on a leadership trait he admires (from his book, Universal Fascism):

"In order to achieve the most noble accomplishments, the leader may have to 'enter into evil.' This is the chilling insight that has made Machiavelli so feared, admired and challenging... we are rotten.... It’s true that we can achieve greatness if, and only if, we are properly led."
http://www.indymedia.ch/fr/2004/01/17406.shtml

And back to Italy, with his thoughts on the fascist era:

"...fascism nevertheless constituted a political revolution in Italy. For the first time, there was an attempt to mobilize the masses and to involve them in the political life of the country."

And on Mussolini himself:

"He never had enough confidence in the Italian people to permit them a genuine participation in fascism."

A translation of an Italian website,

"One of the most dangerous of these 'bad teachers' is Michael Ledeen, promoter of the the idea of 'universal fascism'. These days he does not stop threatening war against Iran, Syria, and Lebanon, and has evidently been chosen once more by the establishment to manipulate institutions and threaten those who oppose his dangerous and wicked madness. On the other hand, Ledeen has a long history of interference in Italy's strategic choices. During the Moro case he was among those "most suspected" of having misled the enquiries, with the collaboration of the "bretheren" of the P2. It was wondered and it is still wondered why the Italian magistrates do not carry out adequate enquiries about him and his work".
http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthemonth/january03_index.php?l=36%82%22=0

In the wake of the Madrid bombing, many are remembering the Bologna bombing, and seeing striking similarities. (For instance, from The Times of London: "the man accused of supplying the dynamite used in the al-Qaeda train bombings in Madrid was in possession of the private telephone number of the head of Spain’s Civil Guard bomb squad" http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html.) And though the Madrid bombing, against expectation, drove enough of the public towards the left, it does well to remember, in the hysteria of the "war on terror," that false-flag operations are a proven strategy to manipulate opinion, and that one of the ablest manipulators is Michael Ledeen.

Some more links for the "Strategy of Tension":
http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/gladio.htm
http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stories/gladio.htm

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11. Locking.....
This is a continuation of a thread which
was locked earlier.


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