Am I a "bad liberal" because I have not yet seen Fahrenheit 9/11?

[hiphopnation]

It's not because I don't want to, it just hasn't been possible for me with my schedule of late. My wife is about to give birth to our second child (a son) been going through some crazy stuff at work and a thousand other reasons that aren't really related to the real reason that we haven't yet seen it.

Mostly it's because, as a knee-jerk reaction, I automatically avoid anything in this society that has that level of hype surrounding it. Typically I wait for the hysteria to die down before I take part. I don't know why this is. It could be because I wish to levy a truly objective opinion on said piece of pop-culture or that I have a phobia of large crowds of people. I dunno! :shrug:

So, does it say something about me as a self-described "liberal" that I have yet to see the most damning indictment of this mis-administration since it's institutionalization? All comments appreciated. :thumbsup:

[against all enemies]

1. Bring some friends, talk it up.

keep the momentum going, it's more important than everyone seeing it at once.

[yorgatron]

2. i haven't seen it yet either

nor has my brother.we'll probably go this week coming up though,just in time to bolster the 3rd week box-office tally.

[hiphopnation]

6. I don't see how

it's going to be possible for me for at least a couple of weeks. There's another addition to the family coming any day now! We'll probably end up renting it. Lawdy it feels kind of icky to have to wait that long!

[Gemini Cat]

35. I haven't seen it as well.

I'm still waiting for it to come to my town.

[mopinko]

3. it's ok

just make sure you get the dvd asap.
not your average hyped up movie, tho.

[hiphopnation]

11. Indeed.

I can't wait! :thumbsup:

[Salviati]

4. Nah, you'll help to give it 'legs'

I also have the same reaction to hype surrounded things, but occasionally the hype is well warrented...

[hiphopnation]

10. I can't imagine

what the theatres have been like here in SF. Probably like a rock concert!

[POed_Ex_Repub]

5. As long as you vote Nov 2nd I don't care if you see the movie

Provided the vote is for Kerry of course. (The movie is pretty good by the way, go see it the first chance you get!)

[hiphopnation]

9. Well duh!

No, it's really been bugging me that I haven't yet seen it. Judging from everything I read the atmosphere in theaters is electrifying. I really can't wait.

[mike_c]

7. yes, you suck....

:spank:

on edit: sarcasm, of course....

[hiphopnation]

8. LOL!!

I wish there was a "spanking myself" icon. T'would be most apt. :thumbsup:

[jukes]

59. hiphopnation23

oh, sure! then you'll want a "spanking the monkey" icon!

what's this world coming to? where's the outrage?

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[mopinko]

15. oh good

another one.

[hiphopnation]

21. Yes

I was afraid that a post like this would attract freepers like honey would attract flies.

Now if you'll excuse me, I must retire to the lounge to start my "Thousandth Post" thread!! Look, 999!!! Wooooooohooooooooo!

Damn it's been a helluva ride here at DU. Amazing. Please drop on by and say hi. :thumbsup:

[mopinko]

27. not honey that flies like

"flies" is too good for them.

[dweller]

16. err..are you sure you saw the same movie?

i'm just going to go ahead and self delete the rest of my response now.
:eyes:
dp

[countmyvote4real]

17. Which F 911 did you see?

The version that I saw didn't have the part about Saddam being a nice guy liked by his people.

As far as the "portrayal" of the troops, I didn't like it either, but it didn't appear to be staged. On the otherhand, he devoted a lot of screen time to their ultimate sacrifice.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

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[mrfrapp]

52. Poppycock

"I just think it cheapens the movie to call it a documentary when it's really a political film. When I hear the term documentary, I expect a balanced, factual account of an historical event"

Before F9/11 came out, I had never heard of this requirement that documentaries need to be balanced. As far as I can tell it's a meme created by the right-wing press for the purposes of discrediting this movie. Moreover, what exactly is the balancing viewpoint that Moore should have put in the film?


"Lisa Myers did an excellent piece on NBC discussing all the parts of the film that were inaccurate. Unfortunately, she's not waiting outside the door of every theatre in America to tell viewers that information."

Perhaps you can reiterate her points because quite frankly I've heard nothing but ad-hominem and strawman arguments from critics and commentators.


"If I were one of the soldiers whose images were taken out of context, I'd be planning a lawsuit."

And what context is the correct one? How do you know they were taken out of context?

[testing123]

44. You debated us in the lounge about * being elected

You still think that Bush was elected after seeing F-9/11?

[Occulus]

45. and precisely which parts of it were propaganda?

Give us a list.

[dweller]

13. no, but gwan....

take mshiphopnation23...it may induce labor, and you'll make the news!

j/k, good luck with the upcoming event, you can always see it later... i was lucky to see it 2nd week in a matinee, not a sell-out, but a good crowd all the same.

dp

[hiphopnation]

19. LOL!!

Thanks! Yes, it probably would induce labor,as she'd be fuming...hoppin mad!

So mad that the water just breaks right there in aisle three. LOL!!

[mellowinman]

14. Yes. You are a bad liberal.

Bad liberal! Baaaaad liberal! Bad boy! BAD!

OK, I haven't seen it yet either.

But I'm making my wife take me to see it Monday.

About time that woman took me on a date somewhere.

Maybe I'll get some dinner too.

[Old and In the Way]

18. You sound like someone with other priorities right now.

You probably have been quite aware of every point in Moore's film if you've been on board for awhile...you won't be sold because you are already. But I do believe this film will be a tipping point for the undecideds or thinking middleclass Republcans who must be having a crisis of faith. Those are the people who will be disturbed and even turned by the unvarnished truth that is laid directly in front of your eyes. For many, it must be a dimming, unenthusiastic support for this administration.

[hiphopnation]

20. Indeed.

I'm sure that much of it would be "preaching to the choir" for me and my wife. But we both want badly to see it anyway. We'll have to settle for viewing it in the privacy of our own homes which is too bad because we would have loved to experienced it in the theatre. Oh well.

[Occulus]

48. So arrange a private screening

for you and your friends who might not have seen it yet.

Make it a cookout party. Watch another film after, or- shoot- a DCI broadcast.

Jesus. That DCI show I saw tonight is STILL in my head! :silly:

[guitar man]

22. Turn in your liberal credentials now

<jk,lol> I know what you mean. The Mrs. and I had to do some serious scheduling trickery with our jobs and other committments to go see it. I am sure glad we did

[hiphopnation]

32. LOL!

Yes. We may have to watch at home but, oh well. That's the life.

[Sweetpea]

23. If you do a lot of reading , there is nothing in the movie that you

haven't already read especially liberal publications. For me, it was entertaining to see it in a movie format.

[RebelOne]

56. You're right.

I have read plenty and have not seen F-911 yet. But I pretty much know what the movie is all about without having seen it

[seabeyond]

24. i havent seen it either.

i have two little kids and now my niece for a month. life is a mess and no babysitters. and along with you, never do it when i am suppose to, but........

i am excited about the time i do see it. i think i am working towards getting four other fundie friends to go with me. and the maybe hit borders after for drinks and appetizers let them do most of the talking and i will just throw out the facts

and congrats to your new baby. exciting times for you

[hiphopnation]

29. Thanks!

Drop by the lounge for my thousandth post celebration.

Here's a few on me DUer's!! Couldn't have survived the past four years without y'all!! :cheer:

:beer::beer::beer::beer:

[Philosophy]

25. I can't find the theater

I drove around for an hour today looking for the theater where it is playing in my town, but I could not find it for the life of me. I am navigationally impared.

[Toucano]

26. Normally, I'd say yes.

But your excuse has been approved.

(rubberstamps hand) That should take care of you until it wears off.

;)

[hiphopnation]

31. Phew!!

Hope I don't sweat too much. LOL! :thumbsup:

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[hiphopnation]

30. Thanks for that brilliant commentary.

It's so ummm...how shall I say...silly? Yes...methinks that quite apt to describe your little screed.

Peace out.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. Too bad that trolls are still able to sneak around in here. n/t

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49. Actually, it is. n/t

[Gemini Cat]

34. Oh blah!

"Blind hate for America."

Try a new talking point.

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[rman]

50. Moore offers insight in corporate interests in the government

And F911 clearly shows Moore does make a distinction between the evil in the government and the goodness of the people of the US.
Can you show even one example in F911 where Moore equates this criminal government with "America" as such?
Besides, no-one here is saying that Moore is god.

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[testing123]

47. Bush is a piece of unelected shit!

He is going to lose in November.

[Misunderestimator]

36. You're ok... I went to see it a second time tonight....

you can take the credit. :) Sounds like you have a lot on your hands... However, you will be missing an amazing experience if you don't go see the film in a theater. The audience is half the reason it is so great. It's inspiring to be among so many other people who are just as angry as you are about this administration.

But, no, it doesn't say anything about you as a "good" liberal.

I hope you can see it soon.

[Valerie5555]

37. Hadn't yet seen it either due to some "lost / gone astray in the mail

postal money order problems" I was preoccupied in trying to solve by having the money orders traced and quite possibly replaced.

No worries, for I already could believe Bush or * read "The Pet Goat" for 7 flipping (pardon my right wing American English) minutes with a group of second graders, or at least he had the SECOND GRADERS in that Florida elementary school read it to him for that time.


On edit: I want to see it still, for I wanted to know if Michael Moore even included the part about how Bush admitted that "he was only trying to fly out of harm's way" on September 11 2001, like the :scared:ycat "pollo mierda" or chicken crap that he was.

[camero]

38. I haven't seen it yet either

But I will see it soon. That and "The Corporation".

[bookman]

43. You'll be forgiven if...

..you rent the DVD.

:)

[testing123]

46. I am going tomorrow

I can't wait!

[johnfunk]

51. You're bad. Very bad. As penance...

... go see it with a few friends. Try to make sure at least one is a conservative-leaner (and make sure to talk about all the wasted money and lives Bush Boy's Iraq adventure caused).

You're gonna love the film!

[DemonFighterLives]

53. Another endorsement

Not that you need it, but this movie is well worth seeing. It gives you a feeling of camaraderie and reinforces the fact that Dems are "not nuts".
;)
Good luck with the wife and baby!

[Trajan]

54. Have I stopped beating my wife ?? ...

[Ilsa]

55. You know your priorities better than anyone.

Do what you need to do, especially putting family first.

[jukes]

57. hiphopnation23

i get anxious in crowds.

i'm worried about my emotional reaction. i dealt w/ the whole "crying-@-the-wall" thing years ago, but lately war-footage has been upsetting me again.


eventually, i must see it. it's civic duty. but i'll try to go during a slow filming, & i will HAVE to self-med to keep from breaking down.

[spinbaby]

58. I just saw it yesterday

Some of us just aren't near a theatre or we have other things going on. I figure we latecomers will just help keep the numbers up longer.

[Forkboy]

60. Not in my eyes

see it when you can.