I found info about FEMA suspending the constitution and elections

[Renew Deal]

Have fun

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fema.html

You can also have all sorts of fun by running this query.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=reagan+%2B+%22executive+order%22+%2B+fema+%2B+constitution&btnG=Search

:scared: :scared: :nuke: :scared: :scared:

[fearnobush]

1. Yes, this was the premise to the X-Files movie.

[shanti]

2. hooooo!

FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.


ISN'T THIS WONDERFUL?? this IS some scary stuff, bleachers!

[saracat]

3. I agree.Verrry scary!

I never considered FEMA.

[WoodrowFan]

19. big deal

The State Defense Forces are the reserve to the National Guard. Only 19 states have them and they have 12,000 members, at most. My state, Virginia, has all of 600!

"Unlike the National Guard, state defense forces serve only at the order of state governors and cannot be activated for federal duties. Most groups do not train with weapons, said Byers W. Coleman, who carries the rank of colonel and is the executive director of the State Guard Association of the United States. "

http://www.stateline.org/stateline/?pa=story&sa=showStoryInfo&id=341767


I'd be more afraid of the Boy Scouts than these guys..This is all just a rehash of the old RW New World Order UN-scare crap that the RW used to bilk stupid uber-conservatives during the Clinton years/

[Scooter24]

4. My god... n/t

[Renew Deal]

5. kick

:kick:

[shanti]

6. kick

:kick:

[YellowRubberDuckie]

7. The White House is also seeking the power to putoff elections...

In case of a (fake)terror attack. Once they get that power, build a bunker, ya'll, because something big will happen so he won't have to worry about turning the country over to the dems. Oh, and if martial law is declared in this country, the bunker will be a great place to hide once the new civil war breaks out when people who are great supporters of the Constitution(IE the militia groups hiding around the country)lose their minds. Now would be a great time to win the lottery and build a Blast from the Past type bunker.
On edit...I forgot to post the link. lol
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&u=/nm/20040711/us_nm/politics_election_terror_dc_5&printer=1

Duckie

[Feanorcurufinwe]

20. Now you know why they are putting so much effort into

developing bunker-busting bombs.

[LizW]

8. We're living in the X-Files now

Remember in 1998 when the X-Files movie came out and the Martin Landau character (who was based on Milton William Cooper) said to Fox Mulder that FEMA was a secret government operating within our government? Remember how quickly FEMA issued a statement and made fun of the idea, cautioning people that it was "fiction" and not reality?

I thought it was funny at the time, that a government agency was responding to something in The X-Files for heaven's sake.

Not so funny anymore.

[Walt Starr]

9. Here's my thoughts on this. #1, they know there is no constitutional

mechanism to postpone elections outside an act of Congress.

#2 They will argue they need an amendment to the constitution to allow them to do this.

#3 They will scream there is not eneough time to protect the 2004 elections (even though they had 3 years).

#4 They will "regretfully conclude" there is nothing to do but declare Martial Law and put FEMA emergency rules in effect, cancelling both the constitution and the elections.

The Coup D'etat will be finalized this fall.

[jokerman93]

10. Remember the 87 billion for the war in Iraq?

I carefully watched that debate on cspan, and I remember a member of the black caucus (yeah them again) making a big stink about a huge cut of it to be allocated to FEMA. The wanted to know why, and to what purpose it would be put, since it had nothing to do with the war.

Nothing was said. Nothing was revealed. The bill passed intact.

Does anyone here have the resources to find out about that allocation?

Back then, I brought it up several times in GD, but question never took hold here. Anyone know about that money in particular and what is is being used for?

I can't do much here. (at work now).

[xocolatl]

14. Only 2% of the Iraq budget has been spent

... I recall reading that last week or the week before. Looking for a source...

[xocolatl]

15. Article in the Guardian: Only 2% of Iraq budget spent

Via Atrios' archives, an
article in the Guardian by Suzanne Goldenberg:

Iraq gets fraction of US aid billions

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Monday July 5, 2004
The Guardian


The US government spent just 2% of the $18.4bn (£10bn) it had obtained from Congress for the urgent reconstruction of Iraq before formally ending its occupation last week.
The White House budget office report, the first detailed audit of the reconstruction, showed that the US occupation authorities had spent nothing on healthcare or water and sanitation, two of the most urgent needs for Iraqis. In contrast, a total of $9m was spent on administrative expenses.


...more...

[Freya]

18. Holy shit

That's VERY interesting.

Do you have a quote of what was said exactly?

[Karenina]

11. Kick!

:kick:

[jokerman93]

12. kick

:kick:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

13. That article appears to be pure bullshit.

At least, the first assertion it made that I doublechecked was pure bullshit. That does not indicate to me that it is worth doublechecking any additional assertions.

Specifically, the article claims:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/fema.html)


However, that is a completely bogus claim, as you can easily see by reading Executive Order 10995 for yourself.

[xocolatl]

16. How reputable is AboveTopSecret?

I always thought it was a little :tinfoilhat:.

[WoodrowFan]

17. Above Top Secret

The entire site is nuts. LOTS and LOTS of UFO crap. the information is worthless.

[Joanne98]

21. A link to Walt Starr's thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1975904&mesg_id=1975904

I hope you guys don't mind I'm linking your threads. This is TOO important of a subject. We should keep all stealing election threads kicked from now on. We should assume they have Plan ABCDEFGHIJKL
The Diebold threads are important too. Good work you guys.

[JohnyCanuck]

22. Mike Ruppert's take on this

Note to mods. as per the copyright notice posted at the head of the article the author grants permission for the his essay to be reproduced or posted on Internet web sites for non-profti purposes.


Essay - Postponement of the November elections
by Michael C. Ruppert

© Copyright 2004, From The Wilderness Publications, www.fromthewilderness.com. All Rights Reserved. May be reprinted, distributed or posted on an Internet web site for non-profit purposes only


What had been merely a rumor has now become fact.

The Bush administration has asked for legislation enabling it to postpone the November election as a result of a terror attack. While worded very carefully to suggest that an attack must take place for such a move; I do not see either of the below stories unequivocally state that, if granted, these powers might not also permit elections to be “postponed” on merely a well-publicized threat. Don’t believe the press stories. Read the legislation when it is introduced to see what it says there. If that discretion is included then we are at the edge of an abyss more dangerous than anything we have ever faced.

These powers, if enacted, will go to the Department of Homeland Security. DHS would also be the entity to decide when, or if, postponed elections would be held.

Allowing suspension of the elections on just the threat of a terror attack would create a hole in the legislation big enough to drive an oil tanker, or an open dictatorship, through. Since the legislation has not been seen yet we do not know what it will say. Once introduced, the bill would then go into Senate and House Committees (Republican controlled) where the language could easily be modified to give discretionary power to the Administration. At that moment the Constitution would overtly cease to have any operational meaning at all. The separation of powers would vanish.

Judging from the news stories tonight we will probably see the legislation introduced fairly quickly. From the instant it appears, this legislation must be tracked daily, even hourly, at http://thomas.loc.gov.

Does any one of us doubt that if threatened or desperate, the administration would use those powers without hesitation?

I ask those who read this to stop for a moment and consider what it would mean for all of us on this side of the fence if the Bush administration both acquired and used the power to suspend the election -- with or without an attack. What restraints would be left to prevent some of our worst-case scenarios from coming true? Why even maintain the illusion of democracy? All vestiges of accountability will have been removed.

We should each evaluate our own situations accordingly. Hopefully most of us will see that we have no choice but to bond together more than ever before. To quote Ben Franklin: “We must all hang together or else we shall surely all hang separately.”

This is the moment at which it all becomes very, very real. Although there is strong Democratic Party opposition appearing with derisive statements from Rep. Jane Harman and Sen. Diane Feinstein, my initial assessment, after watching CNN, FOX and MS-NBC, is that the press is already “selling” us this legislation. Fortunately, early stories also report that the act would also require a constitutional amendment.

However, with this Supreme Court we can be assured of nothing. Yet, knowing this, we can be sure that there will be many chances to fight and beat this travesty. There will be many places at which our skills and resources can function to create and implement a coordinated response.

All the efforts put into 9/11 and into the anti-war movement will need to pale by comparison with the effort that must be put forth to prevent this legislation from passing. Every lesson learned about organizing; mobilizing; reporting; strategy; education; and influencing congress (if that’s possible), needs to be remembered and applied now. There will be many tests to come.

May whatever form of divinity each of us holds dear give us guidance, wisdom and strength as we consider this.

For almost three years FTW, along with many other brave souls, has been saying that 9/11 was just the beginning. Tonight it seems that the next stage – whatever that will turn out be – is knocking tonight at everyone’s door. Do not give up. Do not be afraid. If all this is true and comes to pass, then everything is as bad as we have been saying all this time. So we had that much of a head start, didn’t we?

We are not defenseless. The cause is not lost. There is always a sense of relief when a dreaded event finally arrives because – only in that moment – can anything be done about it.

I don’t usually quote Dianne Feinstein but she was right when she said that America holds elections in the middle of wars, earthquakes and disasters. No matter what, we must demand an election this November. Even the debates about which candidate is or isn’t better, or whether one will or won’t make a difference, are now moot.

Stop. Catch your breaths. Steel your hearts and minds in preparation. Soon we’re all going to find out what we’re made of. If we do not have an election this November then the world we have been fighting to change until tonight will become only a “pleasant” memory compared to the world that will follow.

Mike Ruppert

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/061204_election_delayed.shtml