Senate is now convening - FMA to be discussed

[Freya]

Get the pop-corn out. This is going to be some fine GOP smack down entertainment.

[NMDemDist2]

1. welcome to DU Freya

:hi:

and thanks for the heads up

[Freya]

2. Reid up

says ready to move to vote whenever they are.

Repub says there will be no vote today.

* I expect this to fail something along 60-70 votes against.

[7th_Sephiroth]

3. cspan?

or c-span 2

[Freya]

4. Cspan2

[Reverend_Smitty]

9. grrrrr how is it possible

that I get C-SPAN and C-SPAN3 but not C-SPAN2??? Damn it!

[Freya]

17. You can go to

www.cspan.com and watch it online if you have a fast enough connection.

[Elbowroom]

5. Florida Medical Association?

fma?

[Freya]

7. Federal marriage amendment

[Freya]

6. Santorum just suggested

they are going to try and amend the resolution to get it to pass.

Reid is now attacking them for trying to do that. Says the senate has more important things to do. Says they want the issue "not a resolvement on the issue"

Says repub strat is to say dems wouldn't let them vote. Says they will let them vote. Asking why they would bring something to the floor they want to change now.

Says kerry and edwards want a vote. Says they want to know WHEN the vote will be so kerry and edwards can vote. Says repubs made Kerry waste a whole day their for nothing the other day.

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Santorum? Eeeew!

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com

[PA Democrat]

10. How do you amend hate?

What, they will ban gay marriage only on odd days of the month?

Teresa Heinz Kerry had Santorum's number when she called him "Forrest Gump with an attitude."

[Freya]

11. HAHAHA

Repubs are 25 votes short.

[Lex]

13. 25 short on which specific thing? To change it, delay it, or what?

[Freya]

14. To pass

what is now on the floor.

They are apparently considering changing the language.

Santorum now bitching about how this is the most important thing for the senate to be considering.

[Lex]

15. Thanks! n/t

[Catfight]

108. If this is the most important issue the senate has, me thinks the senate

needs to take a HUGE pay cut and be replaced with more serious senators who are well informed that our economy is in the dumps, unemployment is high, children are starving and can't afford health care, gas prices are too high, housing is too high, slums are growing, the division of classes is increasing, elderly, and so on and so on. This senator needs to be voted out!

[LittleApple81]

12. I tuned on C-Span 1 by mistake and found MORTICIAN FRIST talking about

health care....EEEEWWWWW

[LittleApple81]

16. Santorum now on.... He is sick to even look at! How come nobody

questions him on his opinion of women being subservient?

[PA Democrat]

18. Santorum pontificating right now

"I can think of no more important issue..." Said he hopes than can find some language that the majority of senators will support.

This asshole has 6 kids, what is the statistical probability that one of them is gay?

[Catfight]

109. did someone tell him to "go fuck himself" yet?

[Freya]

19. Hmmm

Reid just said it appears they will be voting on 2 amendments.

[Reverend_Smitty]

20. Now some asshole is trying to make a connection between

gay marriage in Scandinavian countries and children born out of wedlock...These guys are truly talking out of their asses!

[Freya]

22. Yup

Notice how he doesn't back up his claims with any evidence.

Apparently Allard is the one who introduced this.

[PA Democrat]

21. HUH? Allard states that in Scandinavian countries

since they have allowed same sex marriage there are more children born out of wedlock.

Since the invention of the cell phone, there are more children born out of wedlock in the US.

OMG! We must amend the constitution to BAN cell phones!

Can you say pseudoscience?

[LittleApple81]

23. Pseudo-science is RIGHT! I though that Usually gays don't HAVE children

but adopt (specially male gays).

[Lex]

25. If you allowed MORE marriage =less children will be born out of wedlock!

[PA Democrat]

27. Everyone knows that when an unmarried woman hears about

a gay marriage they are more likely to run out and have unprotected sex with the first man they meet.

:crazy:

[LittleApple81]

24. Another question: are the CHILDREN in Scandinavia WORSE OFF

than American kids because they are born out of wedlock?
They do have systems to protect children, as far as I know.

[LittleApple81]

26. Assault to OUR SOCIETY, that will DESTROY OUR SOCIETY???

I think it was "Saint" Santorum who said that. WHAT A LOT OF BULLCRAP.

[Freya]

28. Santorums says

he has a report from a gay person (supposedly) saying same sex marriage is bad.

I wonder if he just got out of 6 months of an intensive fundie "cure" program for GLBT people.

[LittleApple81]

29. SANTORUM is what is bad for HUMANITY!!!! n/t

[kayell]

37. Well, if one "ex-gay" says it's bad, it must be

Of course, an awful lot of hets say that marriage is hell, so maybe all marriage should be banned as the devils work. :eyes:

[terrya]

100. I beg the good people of Pennsylvania...get rid of this worthless POS.

This sorry, pathetic excuse for a Senator has to be thrown out of office in 2 years.

Please. Hell, I'll contribute financially if it will help.

Terry

[PA Democrat]

115. I hear ya terrya

Santorum ran these ads featuring his wife and 6 kids in his last re-election bid. A lot of people are such fools that they voted for him because those ads portrayed him as such a great family man. I had a big argument over him with my dad.

Now I tell my dad of every vote that Santorum makes that hurts HIM and his kids and grandchildren. I also had a very biting LTTE which highlighted Santorum's hypocrisy published a while back.

Santorum has to go. I wish that Chris Heinz would run against him.

[Reverend_Smitty]

30. If you listen really closely right now...

you can hear the faint rumble of our founding fathers spinning in their graves with this wicked assault on our personal freedoms. Talk of FMA and postponing the election are making them all weep from beyond the grave!

[LittleApple81]

31. SO MARRIED COUPLES WHO DON'T WANT TO HAVE CHILDREN

ARE AGAINST CULTURE AND SOCIETY. I am getting so pissed!

[Reverend_Smitty]

34. I still don't see how gay marriage

factors into the high divorce rate that we have in this country...what the fuck is Santorum's point?

[Lex]

38. And I know lots of gay couples with kids who'd like to get married.

I'm guessing that this is not being brought up.

[Toot]

39. And what about the ones who can't have children.

I'm looking at this crap and Santorum is so full of sh*t. The "breakdown" of the "traditional" family has nothing to due with gay couples.

[BiggJawn]

97. Really???

I don't want to have any more kids. Does that mean the ReTHUGlicans think I have no reason to want to get married?

[LittleApple81]

32. Marriage has not broken down because of gays!!! Stupid Asshole!

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID, ASSHOLE ASSHOLE ASSHOLE

[AG78]

33. Thomas Frank

This is an example of what he's talking about.

Traditional marriage is a great foundation. Gay marriage will crumble not only families, but American civilization.

They never mention the reason families are not what they used to be, are that most of the time, both parents have to work long hours just to get by. So family time slides to the back burner.

It's only gay marriage that will tear at the heart of America. It's got nothing to do with working longer hours, for less wages, and having no time for your family.

If it's not said, nobody will think of it. Out of ear, out of mind(or so to speak). Don't worry about working longer everyone. Gay marriage is the reason your family isn't a family.

This is the culture war Thomas Frank writes about. We're all watching it as it happens.

[kayell]

44. Gay marriage will crumble American civilization???

Aside from the obvious question of is there even such a thing as American civilization, how can they be so cheneying worried about a few gay people marrying destroying our way of life, and yet think it's ok to discuss cancelling elections???

[Freya]

35. Remind me never to go to

Penn state.

[LittleApple81]

40. What about Harvard? Yale? Stupidity can be found everywhere, but

support by rich ASSHOLES who want to keep women barefoot and pregnant is what propels these idiots to power.
And actually all they care about IS MONEY!!!

[Freya]

45. True

But I get the impression that the repub idiot number in PA might be a little bit higher than most other states.

[LittleApple81]

36. Look: I come from a Catholic country where abortion is forbidden. Fewer

people are getting married there too. Women don't want to be controlled by "macho man" who will have the right to decide what happens to these women's lives.
WHY DON'T THEY CITE THOSE STATISTICS, you Jerk!!!!

[Freya]

41. Feel like I'm getting a brain tumor

listening to Santorum this long.

Someone invoke cloture on his ass already.

[LittleApple81]

42. I am feeling the same...IDIOT, ASSHOLE, STAIN ON THE DRESS OF SOCIETY.

[TeacherCreature]

49. why doesn't anyone ever hit assholes like santorum with pies in the face?

Why don't freaks like him go down in small planes?

[Justitia]

82. sidebar: Remember when Ralph N got hit in the face w/a pie?

OMG, it was tooo funny. Happened last yr sometime. I was in stitches. Hadn't seen that technique in a loooong time.

To RalphieBoy's credit, he wiped most of it off his mug and slung it back at the pie pitcher person, but I think he missed.

Anyhoo, nice memory.
Back to the egregious sermonizing of Sanitarium.

[LittleApple81]

43. What he is saying about successful heterosexual marriages works

for gays marriages too, YOU IDIOT!!!!

[Lex]

46. About gay couples who adopt, or have kids of their own who want marriage?

That's bad, I guess.

What hateful assholes these Repukes are.

[LittleApple81]

47. How long is Santorum going to spew ignorance and bigotry?

See, when I see something like this, even though I don't like people to be OUTED he deserves anything that might happen to him. He is a sack of excrement full of hate.

[Neecy]

53. Santorum is in his glory

It's the ultimate wet dream for him...he gets to stand on the Senate floor and spew his hatred and contempt for gays and lesbians on C-SPAN with his fake sanctimonious and smug expression.

Hint, Rickie...these people are your freaking FELLOW CITIZENS. How un-American of him.

[Freya]

48. Oh that's great

Santorum just complained about his rights being limited because he can't get a senate pay raise in term. Let me guess? He's got 7 figures in the bank? Poor SOB. I'm shedding a tear for him.

[LittleApple81]

50. What he said is exactly what Gay marriage will do: increment the chance

for children to have a mother/father. So many gay couples want to adopt. ASSHOLE, IGNORANT JERK, PREJUDICED SACK of manure.

[uhhuh]

56. Maybe They could vote on it

If they would stop wasting time on this stupid shit.

Hey scrotum! Why don't you put forth an amendment on Senatorial pay raises?

[AG78]

58. I fell on the floor with the one

I just couldn't take it. That one took the strength from my legs.

He's just like everyone else I guess. Struggling to get the pay raise to help with his heterosexual family. His rights are being trampled on, and you don't see him crying, do you?

I'm sure he has to pay for a lot of things, being one of the leading Republican Senators in America.

I'm still amazed that anyone from this state actually voted for him.

[Reverend_Smitty]

51. How the fuck does this not limit rights???

Get your head out of you ass Rick!! I wish Thomas Jefferson would rise from the grave and put a beat-down on this asshole right on CSPAN!!!

The children, won't somebody please think of the children!! :puke:
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[LittleApple81]

52. HE IS POISONOUS USING STATISTICS THAT ARE NO PROOF OF

anything... gay marriages are probably approved as SOCIETY HAS BECOME MORE LIBERAL and women less subservient.

[LittleApple81]

54. Are those Scandinavian children doing worse than American middle class

children?????????

[Reverend_Smitty]

57. I'm sure they have better public education and healthcare

than American children

[LittleApple81]

59. That is what he is not mentioning. Again Santorum: you are a poor excuse

for a being... I cannot even call him human.

[PA Democrat]

75. Yes, there is no proof of a causal relationship

between gay marriage and children born out of wedlock. You could find any number of events that occurred simultaneously and claim (wrongly) that one caused the other.

This is either complete idiocy or abject dishonesty.

Santorum is vile. His money-grubbing, corporate-whoring legislative actions are impacting marriages and hurting families all over this country. I HATE these bible-thumping sanctimonious hypocrites. Remember this is the good "Christian" who wanted to cut funding for child care for working welfare mothers. He said it was good for people to "struggle".

Yeah, Rick tell us how children left at home alone strengthens families.

[Blue_Roses]

92. His rascism is spewing

in leaps and bounds today and I wish he would just sit down and shut the fuck up! He makes those of us who really care about families look bad

[Toot]

55. Please, Shut up Rick!!!

[trogdor]

65. Ironic.

Republicans filibustering their own bill. Can't just admit they don't have, nor will they ever have, enough votes.

[LittleApple81]

60. I am not a communist..but what they said "Religion is the opium of the

masses" is being used by these RWing nuts. We have so many problems, like the "terra" threat they increased and we are discussing how to destroy the rights of part of society.

[BiggJawn]

104. Frist and Lott are working the room

Santorectum is spouting his vile shit while the whips go to work on one side of the aisle and Zell Miller "heps his friends out" on the other side.

At least in the Playpen...Uh, House, they have the balls to say "I think we'll hold the vote open another 1/2 hour. I don't like these numbers..."

[Solly Mack]

61. I feel my brain cells dying while this fool speaks...

[LittleApple81]

63. Don't do that... you might become a republican. n/t

[Solly Mack]

64. An awful lot would have to die

for that to happen

[Neecy]

67. wow

I finally had to mute my television because he was making my head explode, and now he's waving around his arms and pointing like an utter lunatic. I'm glad I put it on mute, I can only imagine the crazy shit he's spouting.

[Solly Mack]

72. My brain was shutting down out of self defense. It's that bad

[LittleApple81]

69. Again, I come from a country which says in constitution CATHOLIC COUNTRY.

And people are not marrying because WOMEN are fed-up with restrictions on their life. And it has nothing to do with Gay Marriage... stupid jerk.

[TeacherCreature]

62. does anyone have santorums senate phone number?

lets call and tell him off.

[Freya]

66. Excellent idea

Also - please go to www.hrc.org and email your congress people from that site and sign the petition. They are trying to get a million signatures and 500,000 emails.

The ACLU will let you send a free FAX to your congress people at www.aclu.org as well.

Let's send a message to congress.

[Reverend_Smitty]

68. here's his info

http://congress.org/congressorg/bio/?dir=congressorg&ID=498

[Solly Mack]

70. speaking of smoke screens and hollow acts..

FMA is just that

[Freya]

71. Cute

Santorum trying to act like he cares emotionally now. Watch him turn and have a tear drop glued under his eye.

[Freya]

73. Thank god

Feinstein is up.

[Reverend_Smitty]

74. yay a voice of reason

go get em!!!

[Reverend_Smitty]

78. notice how she is using actual facts

documented facts and court precedences to make her case...republicans can learn something from her

[Neecy]

81. I suppose

...but Feinstein is on record for opposing gay marriage, although she opposes the FMA.

[Toot]

79. I'm not big on DOMA either.

Why exactly did marriage need to be defended?

[LittleApple81]

83. STATES ARE BIGOTTED ENOUGH... Isn't that sad? That this is

the best defense against discrimination against gays?

[Freya]

85. Indeed

[Toot]

86. I know. Isn't it disgusting.

[Blue_Roses]

93. THE VOICE OF REASON

AND MATURITY. She is doing GREAT! It takes a Democrat to get it right.

[Toot]

76. Man oh man, what is up with Pennsylvania to put this

ass in the Senate. I know I have my own ass(Zell Miller) down here, but Pennsylvania went to Gore. I don't understand it.

[TeacherCreature]

80. abortion

and the fact that democrats do not vote as often in off year elections.

[MaineDem]

77. "...social convention that will have no meaning"

Santorum is an idiot! Marriage already has no meaning to many. How many divorces are granted each year? Sheesh!!!

And what are the "consequences to America" that will result from same-sex marriage? I just don't get this.

My 30-year marriage isn't threatened by our gay friends getting married. Their family will be strengthened by this, not harmed.

[Solly Mack]

84. and there it is

if the states don't march lockstep with Bush and his thugs in congress, the thugs will act to override the constitutionally granted powers of the state


So states rights are good..as long as they are in keeping with "traditional" states rights...but no states rights if they don't.

it not only serves a right wing agenda of social control and cultural indoctrination...it sets a constitutional precedent (with an admendment) for exercising control over the rights relegated to the states. It rewrites the constitution in more ways than one..

[Freya]

87. The big myth of todays repub party

"states rights" and "small government". Everything they have done from 2000 to today was been firmly AGAINST states rights and "small government".

Seems they only want "states rights" and "small government" when a dem is in the white house.

[Solly Mack]

88. precisely

[Centre_Left]

90. Faulty, faulty argument

The Republicans can's simply override the powers of the states at will. Obviously, the states have to vote to support the amendment.

Liberals, up this point, have shown no support for states rights. As a party, we would prefer for the judiciary to override majorities in those states who do not support gay marriage.

I personally support gay marriage; yet I do not support allowing the judiciary to simply impose its will on it every state when it comes to issues of moral preference. It sets a dangerous precedent.

[Freya]

91. So I take it

you are against Loving V Virginia?

[Solly Mack]

95. No one said they can do it at will

but they can threaten and often do

and how many states already ban same sex marriage..and how many plan on having a ban on their ballots this year?


Republicans only like "states rights" when the rights of the states mean only the things they want it to mean

I support equal rights for all. I don't want ANYONE intruding upon that. FMA is nothing more than discrimiantion dressed up as family values.

and if this country believed in equal rights, the states wouldn't be able to get away with discriminating against gays and lesbians....but they are

[Blue_Roses]

103. one of the states that Feinstien mentioned

with ballots on banning this is my state. We are talking about a VERY conservative group of people who are not ready nor open-minded enough to even discuss this issue.

[Solly Mack]

110. My home state is also

Georgia

:(

[indigo32]

96. No

a dangerous precident is to allow a whipped up majority to subjigate a minority.
Civil rights would NEVER have occured if Johnson hadn't simply bullied it through against the will of alot of people. But it was simply the right thing to do.
I'm listening to the debate via streaming from the CSPAN site, and it is breaking my heart.

[Neecy]

98. Not really

While it takes a majority of states to ratify, what about the minority of states that don't ratify? The federal government will then dictate to those individual states. Do you want your state laws written by fundamentalists in the deep south? This is exactly where this is headed: THAT is the 'dangerous precedent'.

I certainly don't prefer the judiciary to override majorities. I prefer that people become educated, less bigoted, more open as a society. We'll get there.

[Solly Mack]

101. Well said!!!

"I certainly don't prefer the judiciary to override majorities. I prefer that people become educated, less bigoted, more open as a society. We'll get there."

[Freya]

89. They keep bringing up kerry

One of the goals of theirs.

[Freya]

94. my "gay friends"

says Hatch. Bet he has a lot of them.

[terrya]

105. I especially despise this "we're not haters" horseshit.

Of course they are. That's all this is about.

[Lex]

114. Sounds suspiciously like "Some of my best friends are black . . . "

Give me a break, Hatch!

[TeacherCreature]

99. Awwwwwww... Orin has gay friends

how nice. He just doesn't believe they have the right to civil rights.

[Neecy]

111. yep

He just believes that his gay 'friends' should be used as pawns every four years for political gain. He just believes that he should whip up the public to view their fellow Americans as the big ol' boogey man who threatens their very way of life, whether it be civilian or military issues. He just believes in throwing his gay 'friends' to the wolves so his war-crime pResident can further divide this country.

[TeacherCreature]

102. jeremiah hatch.............LOL

His ancestor was a polygamist. D'OH!

[FreeState]

107. my ancestors were polygamist too

Hey my ancestors were polygamist too, and you know what I actualy do have gay friends. Everyone in my office, including me, 20 people in all are gay. And we all dont want the FMA to pass. Take that Hatch... f*cking closet case...

[Freya]

106. BOLD FACED LIE

Saying this amendment leaves it up to states. He must think anyone who is listening to him is as incompotent as his friend Santorum to believe that.

[Solly Mack]

112. lolol see? states rights as long as it fits their definition of the rights

of states.

otherwise, bad states rights!

those damn liberal states allowing gay/lesbian marriage...must slap them down now.


Don't confuse how right wingers define "states rights" with the Constitutional fact that powers and rights have been relegated to the states. Abuse of power doesn't mean the power itself is bad.

[Solly Mack]

113. kick

the spin alone makes this worth listening to

[Solly Mack]

116. Question asked: Can not the SCOTUS proclaim FMA unconstitutional?

Answer:Yes


federal constitution trumps state constitutional


"SCOTUS has indicated they would call state constitutional amendments to ban "gay" marriage unconstitutional..making it the law of the land."

unless FMA passes and is ratified. Speaker defending why FMA must pass.

Blaming "activists" judges

"the power of 'unelected' judges"

lol the idiot (Sessions) is now knocking the SCOTUS that put his boy into office.

[Freya]

117. Santorum is back again

Apparently he has been given new talking points.

[Freya]

118. Daschle is saying they are considering introducing

other amendments to the constitution. Including campaign finance reform.