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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:50 AM
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A peculiar thing is starting to happen......
You know that clip in F911 where W says to the folks at the white tie event, "The Haves, and the Have-Mores. Some call you the elite. I call you my base."

Well, I don't think they are his base anymore. I think that a lot of rich Republicans, being pragmatic people to start with, have recognized that W was a big mistake. His bizarre war in Iraq is costing them a lot of money, and a lot of people are mad at Americans, and that's bad for business.

The scary part is that W has a new base. They are the religious right, and they appear to be on the march. While it's hard to get them to talk about it, it appears that they think that W is the Second Coming and is ushering in the Rapture, which will take them all straight to Heaven and leave all the mean kids that used to tease them behind to be tortured by devils.

The war in Iraq is not a policy failure or even an understandable lapse in intelligence. The war in Iraq is the first stage of a Holy War - an American Jihad - that is prophesized in the Book of Revelations.

All is going according to Plan. It is to be expected that their Leader will be mocked and abused by most of the inhabitants of Earth. Only the Chosen Few can understand what he is Really Saying.

People caught up in religious fervor are generally immune to rational discussion, logic, films by Michael Moore, or even the front page of the Washington Post.

I'm really concerned that this lunatic might get reselected by a lot of duped religious nuts. I'm serious. Don't laugh!

If you're laughing anyway, think about what Rick Santorum said today on the floor of the Senate. Ask yourself why a grown person would say that there is no greater threat facing our nation than gay marriage. Ask yourself how many Americans nodded their heads in agreement when they saw this on TV.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:52 AM
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1. The religious right
isn't exactly a new base for them, but I agree with you that they are a scary bunch of freaks.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:52 AM
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2. Costing them a lot of money?
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 12:53 AM by WilliamPitt
Depends on who you ask. Halliburton, Carlyle (and all 164 subsidiaries), KBR, Bechtel, Dyncorp and a number of other defense/petroleum corporations are making more money right now than they've ever seen before.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:56 AM
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3. i would agree with you but...........
the last week i have even been hearing from the baptists. that they and the ministers are getting queasy stomach for bush. churches and starting to say woe
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:57 AM
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4. I'm not laughing.
However, I do not believe the religious right is a political majority in this country.

Not that that matters, as we know all to well.

Rather, what is concerning is that they may feel, as, indeed, many of us here feel, the time is now. They haven't come this far to retreat from their messianic expectations of the coming of Christ.

Someone once wrote: "The Christian prayer is for the end of the world, that it may come quickly; the only question is how -- a mistake here could prove quite costly."

And the same author then followed with: "The fire this time. Lies burn up when men cease to behold them."

I say, "Lies burn up when men see them for what they are."
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:19 AM
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8. The Taliban were not a majority in Afghanistan...
...they seized control due to the money and support of the Pakistani ISI, and because they are crazy fucking fundamentalists willing to die and kill to force others to accept their view of the world.

So it is with our own freakamentalists...
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 12:58 AM
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5. jesus frogjumping christ
Santorum really is insane, isn't he?

and I buy into much of what you're saying, especially about the immunity to rational thought

something else. I almost heaved today, when I saw poor, apparently demented Walter Fauntroy, a brave civil rights activist from DC, standing with Brownback at some crazed press conference, rallying the troops in favor of the DMA, or whatever they're calling it.

he and Brownback were comparing it to the veto override in favor of the South Africa sanctions! swear to god!!!!

they said they'd keep bringing up the vote, the way they did for that, cause the constituencies would eventually put enough pressure on the legislators to change their votes.

seriously mental

seriously dangerous

time to find my copy of The Life of Brian
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:44 AM
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10. Santorum is a radical Catholic, like Justice Scalia
One or the other of them or both have been loosly tied at least at one time to that cultic catholic offshoot: Opus Dei. Very weird.

In the backs of their mind, most all of those types really truly believe they are doing Gods work. It's insane.
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drmom Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:02 AM
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6. How about going on the offensive?
This is exactly why we, as liberals, need to take some action. It’s been done against us for years, why not turn the tables. The fact is that some people will vote against their own best interests because of perceived “values” (most of which don’t directly affect their lives in any way).

Imagine, if you will, a new independent candidate in the 2008 presidential election...a right-wing, fundamentalists to attract the far right religious base. A charismatic candidate could certainly convince at least 5% of these right wingers to move away from the republican party. Just the threat of burning in hell would be enough for most of these people to vote for the “chosen” candidate.

Keep in mind that these people are too stupid to realize that they are throwing away their vote, and would easily vote based on what their pastor tells them. A relatively small investment (in time and money) could start this phenomena which, I’m sure, will take off once you get a few of those large, herd-like congregations behind the cause. Just think of what a great way this would be to siphon off the righty-rights!
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:06 AM
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7. Hi Dr. Mom....Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:39 AM
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9. You forgot to mention Moon Messiah, X-tianity's second coming.
"Bow down to the Moon!"... while he robs you blind, fucks your wife and laughs while you wait in the tub on the roof for the Rapture.
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TA Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:55 AM
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11. Yardwork - What you say explains a lot about two people
I have spent a lot of time talking to about Bush. They are both strongly Christian Right. I have pointed out many of Bush's evil actions, his refusal to pardon even 1 death row inmate while governor and the fact that he even mocked some of them, the death to so many of our soldiers and all of the innocent women and children because of our bombings. Nothing will sway them. They are so firm in their support of Bush. It make no other sense except perhaps what you have suggested.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 02:25 AM
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12. I don't think he's costing them money. I think they're beginning to
Edited on Tue Jul-13-04 02:27 AM by Cat Atomic
see the similarities between 2004 America and 1789 France.

Bush and his group of neoconservatives pulled the mask off the beast and openly celebrate the most cruel and corrupt aspects of our system of government.

This crowd just speaks too plainly. They push things too far and don't bother hiding it. They're shattering the illusion, and it's beginning to frighten the people at the top.
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wolfgirl Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 06:43 AM
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13. Sometime
after the 2000 election catastrophe and 9/11...I was listening to an NPR segment where the reporter was talking to some Fundamentalists. They were asking about Bush's seemingly flip-flop on regarding core fundie issues. The question was something about how did these people feel that Bush had not been as supportive of their beliefs as he seemed during the run up to the election. Their response was very interesting. Basically they said it was okay for Bush to make certain statements or act on issues in what appeared to be a reversal or difference from their stance. However, they said it was okay because they knew that Bush was ultimately going to get what they wanted for the country. They even made some reference to his use of specific words that kept them reassured about what his ultimate intent was. And they were absolutely confident they would win in the moral war in which they are engaged and Bush is leading.

I was flabbergasted. I believe Bush & Co. are much scarier and much more engaged in what is happening. I believe they know exactly what they are doing and they have a goal to completely take over this country. He has got to go and we have to root out all those that have entered into the government under Bush & Co. that are buried and working behind the scenes to complete the coup!

That's what has happened at the CIA. It began under Bush Sr. and escalated with Bush II. My only hope is that those people in the CIA and other governmnent agencies who swore an oath to protect & guard the Constitution will see they must speak out now or it will be too late!
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