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newscaster Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:35 AM
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NOW THIS IS F-CKIN' SCARY!!!!!
i JUST FOUND THIS AND ITS SCARY AS HELL. BUSH WANTS TO DRUG OUR KIDS.
ITS FROM WORLD NET DAILY.

LIFE WITH BIG BROTHER
Bush to screen population for mental illness
Sweeping initiative links diagnoses to treatment with specific drugs
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

President Bush plans to unveil next month a sweeping mental health initiative that recommends screening for every citizen and promotes the use of expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs favored by supporters of the administration.

The New Freedom Initiative, according to a progress report, seeks to integrate mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing "services in the community, rather than institutions," the British Medical Journal reported.

SNIP

Critics say the plan protects the profits of drug companies at the expense of the public.

The initiative began with Bush's launch in April 2002 of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, which conducted a "comprehensive study of the United States mental health service delivery system."

The panel found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children.

The commission said, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviors and emotional disorders."

Schools, the panel concluded, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools.

The commission recommended that the screening be linked with "treatment and supports," including "state-of-the-art treatments" using "specific medications for specific conditions."

The Texas Medication Algorithm Project, or TMAP, was held up by the panel as a "model" medication treatment plan that "illustrates an evidence-based practice that results in better consumer outcomes."

The TMAP -- started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas and the mental health and corrections systems of Texas -- also was praised by the American Psychiatric Association, which called for increased funding to implement the overall plan.

But the Texas project sparked controversy when a Pennsylvania government employee revealed state officials with influence over the plan had received money and perks from drug companies who stand to gain from it.

SNIP

Jones points out, according to the British Medical Journal, companies that helped start the Texas project are major contributors to Bush's election funds. Also, some members of the New Freedom Commission have served on advisory boards for these same companies, while others have direct ties to TMAP.

Eli Lilly, manufacturer of olanzapine, one of the drugs recommended in the plan, has multiple ties to the Bush administration, BMJ says. The elder President Bush was a member of Lilly's board of directors and President Bush appointed Lilly's chief executive officer, Sidney Taurel, to the Homeland Security Council.

Of Lilly's $1.6 million in political contributions in 2000, 82 percent went to Bush and the Republican Party.

Another critic, Robert Whitaker, journalist and author of "Mad in America," told the British Medical Journal that while increased screening "may seem defensible," it could also be seen as "fishing for customers."

SNIP

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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:41 AM
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1. why does he always use the term FREEDOM in his policies?
What has freedom to do with Zanax???

Maybe it is to better fool us into thinking this is really about freedom haha
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:47 AM
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3. RW think tank buzz words.
:eyes:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:22 AM
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8. You're close: Totalitarian Buzzwords
Totalitarianism, whether Bushevikism, Communism, or nazism, seeks to ALWAYS do the opposite of what it promises.

If Stalin, Hitler, or Bush are repeatedly using the word 'freedom' (as they ALL did) to the point of conspicuousness, you can be sure some pretty evil plans have been laid (as they al have) to desroy that freedom these monsters so syrupily pretend to love and protect.
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Beloved Citizen Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:25 AM
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19. Will Georgie take the test?
Now there's a candidate for psychiatric intervention if ever there was one. :silly:
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:07 AM
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38. talk about lulling everyone into a stupor
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 11:18 AM by SemperEadem
seems that it's come down to considering more drastic measures. It'll be interesting to see how many people jump at this. Didn't they just discover that one of those anti-depressants disposes the patient to a worse mental condition instead of the opposite?

The federal government embracing mental health? It's too good to be true.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:11 AM
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39. Because liberals become babling idiots when its used.
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Angelus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:46 AM
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2. Heh...isn't this ironic...
Bush pushing to test every American citizen for mental disorders...and the people who do the testing are the ones who contribute money to his campaign.

I'm sure that has nothing to do with it, though. I'm sure he wants to do this out of the goodness of his heart. :eyes:

</sarcasm>
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:48 AM
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4. Firstly, could you shove that WND
up your arse? Thanks.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:49 AM
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9. WND may be hateful, but the article basically comes from the BMJ
and you don't get more respectable, in medical circles, than that.

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7454/1458

But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy when Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan in his state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in the medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for speaking to the BMJ and the New York Times.

The Texas project started in 1995 as an alliance of individuals from the pharmaceutical industry, the University of Texas, and the mental health and corrections systems of Texas. The project was funded by a Robert Wood Johnson grant—and by several drug companies.

Mr Jones told the BMJ that the same "political/pharmaceutical alliance" that generated the Texas project was behind the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission, which, according to his whistleblower report, were "poised to consolidate the TMAP effort into a comprehensive national policy to treat mental illness with expensive, patented medications of questionable benefit and deadly side effects, and to force private insurers to pick up more of the tab" (http://psychrights.org/Drugs/AllenJonesTMAPJanuary20.pdf).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:28 AM
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20. Good article .....
Your post should be taken seriously. The other article quoted at the top of the thread is no an accurate take on the problems posed by the drug companies, their take-over of insurance policies and treatment practices, and hence is worthless as far as assessing the problems mental health consumers will face in the future.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:49 AM
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5. I don't get how they propose for people they deem "needy"
to GET the drugs or even get access to mental health? Who are their target audience? The rich? Better them, for these venal purposes, than us.

I realize that Bush nor any republican that I can think of cares a whit about people with mental illness or we would have seen more help in that area years ago; but this nation has swept this very important issue, at large, under the carpet and pretends there's no need out here.

I understand the premise of this article but we DO need a COMPLETE and thorough healthcare system that addresses not only viruses but mental health, dental and vision care.

This article is a scream. I can't even get in to see a counselor on my insurance because "they don't cover it". I can't get the medicines I truely need because my medicaid "dosen't cover it". Medicare is even worse. :puke:
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:59 AM
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6. Not supporting B* or your local fundie congregation
is a sign of mental illness.

Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:58 AM
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7. This Is Where They Make Everyone Else Drink the Kool-Aid
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jukes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:22 AM
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10. a gramme
is better than a damn! "Brave New World"
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:29 AM
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11. ANy one see the lowering of cholesterol guidlines....?
U.S. recommends lifetime prescriptions to drugs like lipitor to lower cholesterol to 100 or lower.

Tell me that isn't big pharma lobby action....
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eleonora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:54 AM
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12. and we idiots should fall for it
-happily cracks 2 eggs for her omelet-
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:57 AM
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13. T-4 rides again!
Part of the Final Solution part II?
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:59 AM
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14. He should drug and institutionalize himself first.
Oh yeah, I forgot he already does the drug thingy.

This is so wrong. Hasn't it been proven that the majority of American kids put on drugs for ADD didn't need it and in fact made them worse?
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:14 AM
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16. My thoughts exactly!
For all the good it's done!

WTF has this moran done to our country?
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:07 AM
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15. I wish someone like Mark Dayton would hold a press conference and shout,
"YOU FIRST, MR. pRESIDENT... YOU FIRST!"
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:16 AM
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17. hell, he should give everyone IQ tests starting
with himself

God I hate this man
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:18 AM
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18. this is just hideous...
this is really called cutting mental health. We went through "integrating mentally ill patients fully into the community by providing services in the community, rather than institutions" during Reagan and that lead to an increase in homelessness. Communities are not going to be funded sufficiently to take care of these people. Families can't live with the mentally ill after a point in their illness and they need professional care.

Manic depressants are sometimes violent due to their illness so we will get an increase in crime by people who have a malfunction in their brain chemistry. So the prison system will take care of these people instead of the hospital.

A lot of people won't take their meds because of the side effects or their medication schedule needs to be closely monitored and they really need to be in a hospital.

Yup... whenever the word "Freedom" is being used, it means that Bush has the freedom to stick it to the middle and lower classes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:37 AM
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23. I agree with you.....
except the population that has been released from long-term institutional care that has increased the ranks of homelessness and the rates of violent crime isn't those suffering from bipolar disorders, ( or "manic depressants" as a subgroup of bipolars were called before the 1980s).

Bipolar disorders in and of themselves are generally going to have the highest rates of successful treatment among psychotic disorders. However, as you've noted, there is a pronounced tendency to "cycle;" when a person is feeling well, they tend to forget or choose not to take medications. But bipolars are far more often in need of short psychiatric hospitalizations to get back on track.

The more serious problem for individuals, families, and communities across the country is posed by people who suffer from other more severe psychotic disorders. Many of these fall into the category of the schiziophrenic ilnesses. A cluster of these disorders takes a far more chronic course. In truth, it is very sad that some people end up institutionalized for life because of a chemical disorder. But it is far sadder when they are forced out of those same institutions.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:31 AM
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21. First step toward a return to eugenics and involuntary sterilization.
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:35 AM
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22. scary
Wasn't Randi Rhodes talking about this yesterday?

I seem to remember she was...

And yes, it's a matter of drug companies making profits.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:39 AM
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24. The first test is screening for Progressivitis.
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Elginoid Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:28 AM
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25. the "New Freedom" initiative?
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 10:16 AM by Elginoid
I guess that Kotex must be a big money bush supporter too...?

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:36 AM
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26. Well, she does look a bit
unhinged ... ;-)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:03 AM
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37. Hi Elginoid!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:42 AM
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27. Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson
Implementation of Olmstead

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson established the Office on Disability to coordinate disability programs across HHS agencies.
The Department of Health and Human Services has awarded nearly $160 million in Real Systems Change Grants since 2001 to support community-based services for people with disabilities.
In FY 2003, the Department of Health and Human Services’ Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services funded a $6 million demonstration grant that enables state and community-based providers to test new strategies for recruiting, training, and retaining direct service workers.
The Departments of Justice and Health and Human Services have entered into an agreement under which HHS refers Olmstead-related complaints to DOJ’s ADA mediation program. To date, several complaints have been successfully mediated.

www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/newfreedom/toc-2004.html

a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States


Racism is alive and well. It never went away. It only went underground.




How American corporate philanthropies launched a national campaign of ethnic cleansing in the United States, helped found and fund the Nazi eugenics of Hitler and Mengele — and then created the modern movement of "human genetics."

In the first three decades of the 20th Century, American corporate philanthropy combined with prestigious academic fraud to create the pseudoscience eugenics that institutionalized race politics as national policy. The goal: create a superior, white, Nordic race and obliterate the viability of everyone else.
How? By identifying so-called "defective" family trees and subjecting them to legislated segregation and sterilization programs. The victims: poor people, brown-haired white people, African Americans, immigrants, Indians, Eastern European Jews, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the superior genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists. The main culprits were the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune, in league with America's most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Harvard, Yale and Princeton, operating out of a complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island. The eugenic network worked in tandem with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the State Department and numerous state governmental bodies and legislatures throughout the country, and even the U.S. Supreme Court. They were all bent on breeding a eugenically superior race, just as agronomists would breed better strains of corn. The plan was to wipe away the reproductive capability of the weak and inferior.

Ultimately, 60,000 Americans were coercively sterilized — legally and extra-legally. Many never discovered the truth until decades later. Those who actively supported eugenics include America's most progressive figures: Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger and Oliver Wendell Holmes.

American eugenic crusades proliferated into a worldwide campaign, and in the 1920s came to the attention of Adolf Hitler. Under the Nazis, American eugenic principles were applied without restraint, careening out of control into the Reich's infamous genocide. During the pre-War years, American eugenicists openly supported Germany's program. The Rockefeller Foundation financed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute and the work of its central racial scientists. Once WWII began, Nazi eugenics turned from mass sterilization and euthanasia to genocidal murder. One of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute doctors in the program financed by the Rockefeller Foundation was Josef Mengele who continued his research in Auschwitz, making daily eugenic reports on twins. After the world recoiled from Nazi atrocities, the American eugenics movement — its institutions and leading scientists — renamed and regrouped under the banner of an enlightened science called human genetics.
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com /



The Passing of a Great Race by American eugenicist Madison Grant


Against the mongrelization of the submerged tenth, the eugenicists posed the purity of the Nordic races. Peoples of the north, they held, had forged their superiority over generations through the struggle to survive in severe environments. The weaker members had long been eliminated by natural selection.


This was set out in texts like The Passing of a Great Race by American eugenicist Madison Grant, which Hitler read while imprisoned in the mid '20s for inciting mob violence.


(The German translation was published by Hitler's co-conspirator Julius Lehman; Hitler even wrote Grant a fan letter declaring the book his "Bible.")

http://www.popmatters.com/books/reviews/w/war-against-t...




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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:17 AM
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28. Eli Lilly, Zyprexa And The Bush Family
Also involves Ken Lay and Dan Quayle:

http://www.rense.com/general52/exc.htm

A caller to Randi Rhodes yesterday brought this up.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:29 AM
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29. This is part of MIND CONTROL. How much more obvious must it be?
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 10:29 AM by bobthedrummer
This sounds like something from the former USSR, forced drugging and labeling of political dissidents-even genocide can't be ruled out with this BFEE crew.

Mind control and mind invasive technology are being challenged by the ETHICAL MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSION-that's how pervasive this has become.
Fundamental concepts, such as the diagnostic criteria for psychosis, are being critically questioned.
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/NewCrit-JPSS-CS2.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:34 AM
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42. US mind control "research" began when Allen Dulles approved
Richard McGarrah Helms proposal on 4-13-53, it involved at least 149 sub-projects at 80 institutions. Source:4-16-85 Burger decision CIA vs. Sims FOIA case.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Syllabus

CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY ET AL. v SIMS ET AL.

CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA DISTRICT

No. 83-1075. Argued December 4, 1984-Decided April 16, 1985

Between 1953 and 1966, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) financed a research project, code-named MKULTRA, that was established to counter Soviet and Chinese advances in brainwashing and interrogation techniques. Subprojects were contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. In 1977, respondents in No. 83-1075 (hereafter respondents) filed a request with the CIA under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), seeking, inter alia, the names of the institutions and individuals who had performed the research under MKULTRA. Citing Exemption 3 of the FOIA--which provides that an agency need not disclose "matters that are . . . specifically exempted from disclosure by statute . . . provided that such statute . . .refers to particular types of matters to be withheld"--the CIA declined to disclose the requested information. The CIA invoked, as the exempting statute referred to in Exemption 3, ß 102(d)(3) of the National Security Act of 1947, which states that "the Director of Central Intelligence shall be responsible for protecting intelligence sources and methods from unauthorized disclosure." Respondents then filed suit under the FOIA in Federal District Court. Applying, as directed by the Court of Appeals on an earlier appeal, a definition of "intelligence sources" as meaning only those sources to which the CIA had to guarantee confidentiality in order to obtain the information, the District Court held that the identities of researchers who had received express guarantees of confidentiality need not be disclosed, and also exempted from disclosure other researchers on the ground that their work for the CIA, apart from MKULTRA, required that their identities remain secret. The court further held that there was no need to disclose the institutional affiliations of the individual "searchers whose identities were exempt from disclosure. The Court of Appeals affirmed this latter holding, but reversed the District Court's ruling with respect to which individual researchers satisfied "the need confidentiality" aspect of its formulation of exempt "intelligence sources." The Court of Appeals held that it was error automatically to exempt from disclosure those researchers to whom confidentiality had been promised, and that an individual qualifies as an "intelligence source" exempt from disclosure under the FOIA only when the CIA offers sufficient proof that it needs to protect its efforts in confidentiality in order to obtain the type of information provided by the researcher
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:FmApuzwfdg8J:www.mindcontrolforums.com/cia3.htm+Burger+decision+CIA+vs.+Sims+FOIA+case&hl=en

Last year an investigative reporter won a Federal Court order to open some of the MK ULTRA operational files that survived Helms shredding, about 16,000 mostly financial docs that had been misfiled.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/2002/0819kellyv.html

Dennis Kucinich mentioned mind control in the original text of HR2977 Space Preservation Act of 2001, but the text regarding "exotic weapons" was disappeared from the revision HR3616 Space Preservation Act of 2002.
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm

Mind control is an emotion provoking term, an unfortunate one-I define it as the manipulation of human perceptions for unknown political agendas, it is quite real and quite secret.

There are a number of websites on mind control that deal with all kinds of fantastic tin foil hat claims, but there are a few that are rather good for researchers with pretty reputable sources.
http://www.datafilter.com/mc /

http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney /

http://www.raven1.net/ravindex.htm

Some of the current mind control programs focus more on the use of electromagnetic radiation/EMR {microwaves} and radio frequency radiation/RFR as well as computer science in addition to the drugs and hypnosis from past programs-IMO most of this could be black budget or hidden in research grants.

Here is but one example of what this research does, foreign elections have been influenced by aerial mind control
http://www.raven1.net/commsolo.htm

There was a covert arms race between the US and USSR to operationalize these systems, we won that one too.
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~welsh/book.htm


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sherrem Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:41 AM
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30. this really ticks me off
I have 4 kids...all with much different personalities. One is hyper, one is quiet, the other (4) thinks she's a cat, and the baby is...a baby. This is how I see it. Hyper twin will have ADHD, quiet twin will have depression, and cat daughter will be schizophrenic.

One of the problems with today's society is any child that doesn't sit with their hands in their lap and get good grades has "some" mental illness. Kids are kids, and it would be nice if people would start acknowledging we don't have to all be in a zombie state to get through our days.

Another problem--parenting. A lot of disruptive kids aren't parented, it's not always an issue of mental illness. Our neighbors, for instance...when their children are not at school, they're outside ALL day. There's nothing wrong with being outside, but at 9 am when you hear mom screaming 2 doors down "get your fucking asses outside" to her 4 children...there's a problem. When they are coming to my house to get food because their parents don't feel like feeding them, I have a problem with that. When I have to change the 3 year old girl's diaper because she isn't allowed inside, I have a problem with that. My kids go to school with these kids, and I volunteer there. I know what these kids are like in school, and it ain't pretty.

And if you're wondering why I haven't called social services, I have. I was told if their lives weren't in immediate danger, it wasn't their problem. Its going to be the taxpayers problem when these kids end up in jail.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:57 AM
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33. Never mind. Everything's fine. ;Þ
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 11:43 AM by Gregorian
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sherrem Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:15 AM
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40. EXCUSE ME?!?!?!?!
You know what, you don't want kids, thats your decision. I wanted kids...and FOUR to be exact.

FOUR FOUR FOUR FOUR FOUR FOUR FOUR FOUR

You don't like it?? Tell my kids their existence is causing YOU nothing but problems.

I consider myself a very open minded person. I usually don't get too upset about what people say, because mostly people are just stupid. But to you...well, what dick cheney said.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:38 AM
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43. I'll tell you what.
Since you are SO offended, I'll go back and edit my post FOR YOU. It's your world. And you only care about YOU. And since we, who can see a better way, don't seem to count, we'll just have to live with YOUR decisions.
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sherrem Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 12:03 PM
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46. As a matter of fact
when you tell me my children are causing all the world's problems, I AM offended.

I'm sorry, I really should have consulted you previous to having children. What WAS I thinking? And you're right, you are going to live with my decision to have FOUR (oohh shudder) children...unless of course you have a plan to exterminate them. While we're at it, lets just do away with the elderly and mentally decapacitated too. Afterall, they're not really contributing to society and just eating up our tax dollars.

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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:47 AM
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31. Meanwhile
I just read an article in USA Today the other day (I was on the road and couldn't get a copy of any other paper) that said that many of the kids in juvenile detention centers in this country are actually mentally ill but have no access to help and/or medication, so they are incarcerated.

Sounds like what happens to adults, too!

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drdigi420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:49 AM
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32. Thats right kids, say no to drugs
especially safe ones like marijuana.

Now take your ritalin/valium/prozac and stop whining about us not teaching ou anything!
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:59 AM
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34. They plan to start with TEACHERS!

"Schools, the panel concluded, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools."

Will this just play right into their ultimate goal of doing away with the Dept. of Education?
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:01 AM
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35. I'm a teacher
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 11:02 AM by Moonbeam_Starlight
and I'd like to SEE them try to screen me for mental illness. I'll put the number for my local ACLU chapter on speed dial on my cell phone first.

And so would about five hundred other teachers I know, just in this district alone.

Go on, bushie boy, just TRY IT.

Don't fuck with teachers. Nothing scares us.
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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:16 AM
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41. You're right teachers should be screened
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 11:17 AM by Cousinit13
I mean over crowed classes, crumbling buildings, tons of out of pocket costs, not to mention the shitty pay...you're right the "do" need their heads examined to do that job
</Sarcasm off>

Don't flame me...I love teachers, one of the most difficult jobs ever!
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newscaster Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:47 AM
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44. Moderator
I will. Thanks for the reminder.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:51 AM
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45. THIS IS SCARY American Psycho


Digital Angel Corporation selling it's Veri-Chip to?
http://www.digitalangel.net /

HarrisLogic,Inc. Scroll to the very bottom. Lovely. BORG?!?!?
http://www.mhsip.org/2003%20presentations/Wed350/JTheis...

Well, their program, BORG, is able to interface with the program..

CompTMAP seems that it was designed by Dr. Kenneth Altshuler of University of Texas and is called University of Texas Southwestern CompTMAP System.

Dr. Altshuler...
Take note of the very bottom paragraph

<snip>
Dr. Altshuler received his B.A. from Cornell (1948) and his M.D. from the University of Buffalo (1952). He was board certified in Psychiatry in 1961 and certified in Psychoanalytic Medicine by Columbia University in 1962. He is currently Stanton Sharp Professor (2000 - ), and former Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas (1977 - 2000). Prior to this appointment, Dr. Altshuler was Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons, where he was also Director of Medical Education (Psychiatry) and a Training Analyst at the University's Psychoanalytic Clinic for Training and Research. He has written over 140 papers and books, and researched in such varied fields as genetics, geriatrics, early total deafness, psychoanalysis, sleep and dreams, and services research.

He received the Thornton Wilson Award in genetics and preventive psychiatry in 1961, the Merit Award of the Association for Psychoanalytic Medicine in 1963, an Honorary Doctorate of Science from Gallaudet College in Washington, D.C. in 1972. He also received a Certificate of Significant Achievement from the American Psychiatric Association (Hospital and Community Division) in 1976 and again in 1995. He was Principal Investigator of "Essential Aspects of Deafness," which combined international research and the establishment of nationwide services for the deaf in Yugoslavia. Dr. Altshuler was a founder and Vice President of the Association of Directors of Medical Student Education in Psychiatry, and was made an Honorary Life Member in 1981.

He has been a Training Analyst and moving force in establishing the Dallas Psychoanalytic Institute; a Director of the National Board of Medical Examiners, and chair of its Psychiatry Test Committee; a Director of the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology (1989 - ) and President in 1996; and President of the American Association of Chairmen of Departments of Psychiatry (1990-1991). As Chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at Southwestern Medical School, he raised over $50 million dollars, including funds for ten named chairs and two research centers in psychiatry. In 1983 he became the first holder of the Stanton Sharp Chair in Psychiatry and in 1989, Zale Lipshy University Hospital named its psychiatric unit in his honor.

Programs he established have twice won the American Psychiatric Association's Certificate of Significant Achievement, and he has twice been given the Dallas County Mental Health Association's award for Distinguished Community Service, the second time (1992) for conceiving and having obtained a legislative line item to fund Mental Health Connections, a $9.2 million public-academic partnership providing new community services and carrying $750,000 annually for research aimed at improving service effectiveness. In 1993 the State University of New York at Buffalo honored him as a Distinguished Alumnus, and in 1996, the Dallas County MHMR Center named its Trail Blazer Award after Dr. Altshuler and installed him as its first recipient. In 1996, he was given the Psychiatric Excellence Award by the Texas Society of Psychiatric Physicians, and Alumnus of the Decade (1950-59) Centennial Award from Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute. In 1997, Dr. Altshuler received the Texas Star Award from the Mental Health Association of Texas for outstanding community service in mental health. He was also honored by Dallas County MHMR when they renamed a clinic in his honor. In 1999, then Governor George W. Bush appointed him a member of the Board of Directors of the Texas Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation.

http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/findfac/personal/0,2358,1...

Dr. Altshuler's wife is a * pioneer
http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/newpioneers/all_pioneers.ht...
http://www.tpj.org/docs/pioneers/pioneers_view.jsp?id=5...
KKK mentioned here.

from Tarpley

"There is also a reason why American elitists like the Harrimans and the Bushes become such fanatics for eugenics and population reduction. This has to do with the position of such families as virtual parvenu upstarts within the Anglo-American hierarchy. In order to have standing in the oligarchy it is necessary to have a patent of nobility going back at the very least a century or two, with four to five hundred years being preferable. This puts families like Harriman or Bush into a virtual status frenzy. When W. Averell Harriman was a child, President Theodore Roosevelt publicly attacked his father, the railroad builder E.J. Harriman, as a robber baron and a public menace for the country. An associate of W. Averell Harriman in the State Department once recounted his impression that the younger Harriman and indeed the rest of his family had never gotten over the colossal humiliation of this incident. This interesting fact casts light on the tireless efforts of Averell's mother to buy the family status and respectability by funding eugenics research to investigate the criminal tendencies of those incorrigible lower orders and mental defectives. The Harrimans were by implication a race apart. It also helped to explain what the associate described Averell's life-long history as a compulsive liar whenever a situation emerged in which he could improve his image at the expense of others by lying."

http://www.tarpley.net/bush10.htm
http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm




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