Does anyone else feel that F911 should have ended with...

[Union Thug]

...Roger Daltry singing, "We won't get fooled agaaaaiiiinnn...!"?

Now I love Neil Young and thought RITFW had a lot to say about the Bushies... but it would have been so cool to follow up Bush's mangling of the fool me once proverb with The Who... =)

[wryter2000]

1. Disregard

I didn't understand your post because I didn't pay any attention to anything after Bush's "We won't get fooled again," and I'm frankly clueless about rock music, anyway.

[NYCGirl]

2. You obviously haven't seen this —

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1982271

[Union Thug]

7. thanks for the link!

You're right, I missed this one

[Literate Tar Heel]

3. Townshend wouldn't allow it

is my understanding

[jonnyblitz]

4. nope.

not a huge WHO fan here.I like "won't get fooled again" about as much as I like "Stairway to Heaven" and "Freebird". I have heard it QUITE ENOUGH for one lifetime. :)

[Bridget Burke]

5. So, you missed the threads about Pete Townshend?

He refused Michael Moore the rights to the tune. And he's been bitterly complaining that Moore has said rude things about him. However, there's never been a link to an unkind word actually uttered by Moore (about Pete, that is).

"Hope I die before I get old"---the years may pass, but some of us retain a bit of spark. Too bad about Pete.

[onenote]

14. link to moore's interview

Actually, and this was discussed in a separate thread, Moore started the debate by giving an interview in which he claimed Townshend wouldn't let him use the song because he supports the war. Townshend responded with his own explanation of what happened, that challenged the assertion it had anything to do with his position on the war (he acknowleged that he initially was supportive, but now questions it -- just like millions of others). Anyway, here's a link to the interview
http://www.filmlinc.com/fcm/online/fahr911interview.htm

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[newyawker99]

23. Hi onenote!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[thebigidea]

6. what would be even cooler...

... would be an aging musician signing up for pedophile websites over the credits sequence, but its ok - because its RESEARCH.

[tigerbeat]

8. pete was cleared of any wrongdoing. n/t

[thebigidea]

10. Of course, its totally normal. Why should it raise any eyebrows?

[tigerbeat]

13. slander by innuendo is a RW tactic

we need to be above that. pete townshend is an accomplished artist and one of the greatest songwriters of his generation. the brit police themselves have owned up to their own mistakes and pete has been totally exonorated. bringing it up in this conversation proves absolutely nothing in reference to his decision to not let WGFA be used in F911.

[thebigidea]

15. How is it slander? He admitted he did it for research. Why be ashamed?

There's nothing wrong with such research, nothing at all to be ashamed about.

And pardon me if I don't leap to the defense of a clown trying to get a little press by bitching about Michael Moore.

[tigerbeat]

17. i have the distinct feeling....

....that if townshend had let WGFA be used and was actively out there supporting moore and F911, this subject wouldn't be coming up at all.

i'm a director and writer and i spend a good chunk of my day doing research that might "raise some eyebrows".

no laws were broken and the police themselves admitted they screwed up. let it go.

[thebigidea]

18. HomeSec has been alerted as to your research activities.

One of our agents will contact you. Have a secure day.

[Union Thug]

11. oh please, this has been thoroughly discredited /eom

[thebigidea]

12. Yeah, its completely wholesome. Nothing wrong with it.

No doubt it was research for an upcoming rock opera based on that one episode of Diff'rent Strokes where Arnold and Sam find themselves in a heap of pedophile trouble.

[onenote]

19. freeper attitude

It amazes me when folks on this list act like flippin' freepers and spout off without knowing the facts. You would think that those of us on the left, of all people, would understand that, just maybe, the authorities and the police don't always get it right. And for your further enlightenment, here is a link to a statement put out by the Phoenix Survivors, a group of pedophile victims in the UK, defending Townshend.

onenote

[onenote]

21. missing link

Sorry 'bout that. Here it is: http://www.phoenixsurvivors.com/Pete_Townshend.html

onenote

[thebigidea]

22. I only accept statements from faded pop stars

"On one occasion I used a credit card to enter a site advertising child porn. I did this purely to see what was there. I spoke informally to a friend who was a lawyer and reported what I'd seen."

I don't care about "THE WHO" and fine, he isn't a pedophile. I'll take him at his word.

I just find popstars "researching child porn" frightfully, embarassingly funny.

My apologies to all, but its just WEIRD.

FADE IN to living room.

ME: "Oh, hi, Michael Bolton. Why are you looking at pictures of naked children?"

BOLTON: "Oh, er... research. I'm working on a concept album."

ME: "Oh... a more avant garde offering? I guess it goes with your shorn locks. Between you and me, the long hair thing didn't really work, considering that you had tragic male pattern baldness."

BOLTON: "I realize that... now. To atone for that, I'm going to create a masterful epic revolving around painful memories of child abuse."

ME: "Which is why you're giving your credit card # to porn sites?"

BOLTON: "I will do anything for art. Anything."

ME: "Lovely. Well, please don't ever talk to me again, this is very creepy."

[rinsd]

26. And Scott Ritter a statutory rapist...

According to the demons on the other side.

Christ on a stick, never ceases to amaze me how benefit of the doubt is intrinsically related who stays in lockstep for some people.

Townsend's remakrs about Moore came after Moore decided to make a big deal about Townsend not giving his permission for the song. That's some petty BS.

If he had given the song to Moore, freepers would be discounting him with the same bogus charge. Ponder that for a moment.

[onenote]

9. not the right post

Moore actually wanted to use Won't Get Fooled Again, but Pete Townshend didn't agree to it. The long and short of it is that they both now are in agreement that it wouldn't have been an appropriate choice given that the message "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" isn't the movie's message and that, as Townshend has explained "WGFA is not an unconditionally anti-war song, or a song for or against revolution. It actually questions the heart of democracy: we vote heartily for leaders who we subsequently always seem to find wanting. (WGFA is a song sung by a fictional character from my 1971 script called LIFEHOUSE. The character is someone who is frightened by the slick way in which truth can be twisted by clever politicians and revolutionaries alike)."

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[lukasahero]

16. Nope I like RITFW better because

Young was originally supportive of Bush after 9/11 and has come out (quite vociferously) against him since. I think that says something.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

20. Won't Get Fooled Again...

Wasn't that a take on the protests and rebellious attitudes of the 60's?
Especially considering the last line of the song:
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

Wouldn't be appropriate for Fahrenheit 9/11, I think.

Neil Young was way more appropriate.

[Swede]

24. Missing verses from Young's song at the end of the movie

was one of the many examples the right uses in the "Moore's lies" for crying out loud. Moore didn't use the whole song so therefore chock up another Moore deceit.

[lectrobyte]

25. No, RITFW is great, aside from rocking, it has one of the best

lines ever about being an American: I don't feel like Satan, but I am to them...