Check out Lou Dobbs' INSANE gay marriage poll!!!

[UdoKier]

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/

Do you believe the issue of same-sex marriage is appropriate for inclusion in the U.S. Constitution?

Yes

No

What the hell does this mean? It doesn't address whether you FAVOR gay marriage or not.

NO MORE VAGUE POLLS PLEASE! What's the freaking point?!?!?

ARRGGHH! I hate cnn online polls!

[trotsky]

1. The freaking point

is that a large majority of people, regardless of their opinion on same-sex marriage, do NOT think that this is a Constitutional issue.

Dobbs might just be trying to show that.

[ibegurpard]

I think you're right.

eom

[UdoKier]

7. But it doesn't address whether one favors

a constitutional ban on GM, or an amendment protecting GM. They could use it to spin that people support a ban, even though they don't!

[GCP]

8. What trotsky said

I think it's an amazing total - it shows that people don't think it's worth changing the constitution for. Unfortunately we all know web polls are self-selected etc.

[Selwynn]

13. I am one of them.... unless...

unless maybe you wanted to bring up the equal rights ammendment and include a whole bunch of people the government and/or society is constantly trying to screw over: woman, gays and poor people. :)

You want to include an ammendment that identifies a real need for explictly stated rights and protections for these groups of people historically screwed in this society, I could probably get on board with that. :)

[pacalo]

16. I agree.

If this amendment would have passed, it would have been the first constitutional amendment to infringe upon the people's rights, rather than to defend the people's rights. Intolerance is clearly out of place in the Constitution; I think this was the point of the poll question.

[havocmom]

24. Well said, 4_year_nightmare!

And welcome to the DU! :hi:

Looking forward to reading more of your posts around here! :D

[newyawker99]

31. Hi 4_year_nightmare!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[DemBones DemBones]

19. I agree. I think many people are upset about

efforts to amend the Constitution for any reason.

[TexasSissy]

29. I agree. You can be against same sex marriage but not think it's appropri

appropriate to be in the U. S. Constitution. You could, instead, believe the issue is better addressed by the states.

[maveric]

2. 9% Yes, 91% No

[apnu]

9. still going strong

Yes 9% 1001 votes
No 91% 9764 votes

[kayell]

3. They have finally figured out how to get results they want no matter

how people vote.

[OKNancy]

14. This is a favorable result for our side

This is the question that could win it for us. If I were to write a letter to the editor, I would say something like this: " No matter your opinion of gay marriage, changing the Constitution is not the place to make your opinion law."

This way of framing the debate appeals to liberals and conservative ( the real ones) alike.

[markses]

26. It is an extremely favorable result for our side

Even many people who OPPOSE gay marriage in principle feel that the Constitution should not be used for this sort of thing. That is our winning argument, in real time and in real life. The Repubs want an up and down on gay marriage, as if we can assume that the Constitution can be used in this way. The point is that we don't even agree to that (and most people don't, as is obvious), so their up or down is moot. This is not a Constitutional issue.

[redqueen]

4. Wasn't that his poll yesterday?

The answer is clearly no, no matter what your opinion of gay marriage. It should be a no brainer that gays can marry because the church has no business telling government what the law should be. Let's not turn into a theocracy.

on edit: that explains the votes... no matter your view of gay marriage, it just doesn't belong in the constitution.

[UdoKier]

10. Maybe it does.

Maybe there needs to be an amendment guaranteeing gays full equal rights including the right to marry.

I'm no constitutional scholar, but this poll is screwy.

[Terran]

22. No, there's no need for such an amendment

The 14th Amendment already guarantees equal protection under the law. That, plus the Texas Sodomy Law decision from the SCOTUS, is enough to make same-sex marriage a legal reality.

[Shakespeare]

5. I don't see anything vague about that at all.

As Lynne Cheney demonstrated over the weekend (much to the republicans' collective horror), it's possible to be against gay marriage but still recognize it as a states' rights issue. Ergo, the poll question. How is that vague?

[UdoKier]

11. If it's a states' rights issue...

that means it's okay to discriminate in some states. I'm prretty sure there are a few gays who wouldn't like that...

[Shakespeare]

15. Nope.

If questionable laws are passed by states, they can then be challenged in the supreme court, and that establishes national precedent.

[markses]

27. It is not soimething that should be enshrined in the Constitution

End of story. You're so wrong it's embarrassing. The poll is the correct first question to ask.

[mitchtv]

6. hardly vague

Many anti gay marriage people do not think it should be in the Constitution,as the poll illustrates .

[havocmom]

12. That's correct, it doen not address whether you favor it or not.

It addressed whether the issue is so threatening to the survival of the America that there needs to be a ban on it placed into the instrument which sets the peramaters for what a government can and can't so.

The resounding NO response seems to indicate most people see through this attempt to divert attention from what real threats there are out there

[Shakespeare]

18. GREAT post!

Perfectly said. :-)

[havocmom]

23. but poorly typed

thanks

[patdem]

17. First there must NOT be a Constitutional Amendment to STOP gay marriage

Leave it up to the states...then as gays become more accepted, except in the south...it can come before the SCOTUS...just like Brown VS Board of Education...and it will just become the law of the land...no to Constitutional Amendment...yes to states rights...let reality take hold!!!

[sandnsea]

20. This is BETTER

Make the issue about the Constitution and not gay marriage. You will lose on gay marriage, for some years to come. Individual states will be able to move forward on the issue through civil unions or full marriage, as long as it isn't defined in the Constitution. WE framed the debate for a change.

[markses]

28. Ding Ding Ding

Yup. Good post.

[hatrack]

21. Still 91% NO at 5:08 EDT

Coolness!!

[markses]

25. It is the CORRECT question

Before we decide whether or not we favor a Gay Marriage Amendment in substance, we must first decide whether such an amendment even should exist procedurally. If we don't think the Constitution is the place to settle this issue, then determining whether one is in favor of a specific amendment is moot. Lou Dobbs' question is the correct first question to ask.

[Bandit]

30. Different poll there now

What will this years el;ection be about
1 War on Terror
2 Jobs
3 Health Care
4 Illegal Immigration

Jobs leads at 58%
Health Care next at 22%
Terror at 11%
Illegal immigration at 9%