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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:10 AM
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"You can't be pro-small business and pro_trial lawyers"
This is what I heard from a clip on Smirky's campaign speech.
How can he claim this???
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:11 AM
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1. He's an idiot.
It also helps that he's speaking to a roomful of idiots.
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judge_smales Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:12 AM
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4. He obviously knows nothing about business.


Maybe he should get some real-world experience.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:12 AM
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2. 'Cause he's a idiot leading idiots...
I heard that too, my literal reaction--> :wtf:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:13 AM
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5. Hey!
Okay, that was weird.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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11. Ha! Talk about great minds etc..
:D :thumbsup:
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:12 AM
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3. How? Prove him wrong.
therefore he must be right.
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:20 AM
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20. Let me take a crack at it.A small business that has a grievance against
a large corporation, for example, if the large corporation is trying to steal its proprietary technology, will need a trial lawyer.In this case, clearly a trial lawyer is on the side of the small business. Without a trial lawyer who will take the case on a contingency basis, the small business may not even be able to afford a lawyer and the xpense required to fight a big corporation.The same goes for when a regulatory agency such as EPA or OSHA has a complaint against the small business.There are many such instances where trial lawyers are vital to the survival of the small business owner.

This another in a long list of cockamamie statements from our Dear Leader.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:04 AM
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30. Apparently you CAN be pro-big business and pro-corporate lawyer (eom)
Bush statements fatigue me...:eyes:
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:13 AM
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32. Mr.Bush, we are tired of your lies.Have you no sense of decency, sir?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:23 AM
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22. What's the first thing a small biz gonna do when a big corporation tries
to muscle them under?

What's a small biz gonna do when a large corp. uses their political influence to usurp the small biz or squeeze them out of their territory?

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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:24 AM
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23. As a (still too) small business owner, I need lawyers to protect me
from having my products stolen by BIG BUSINESS.

One of the biggest problems we have in getting our intellectual properties to market (we produce broadcast television shows, among other media) is that big companies will just steal the concept, and because they have more cash reserves, will beat us to market with a show that we might have been developing for a couple of years. Without our fantastic lawyer laying all the defensive legal groundwork as we develop the project, we would have been out of business already. As it is, we are still fearful daily that our concepts in development will be stolen out from under us by big sports management companies.

If your products are good quality, then you don't have to worry about liablility.

This is just another anti-People meme floated by out of control corporate globalists who produce marginal products and services to maximize profits.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:04 AM
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29. Rightly said ...

If your baby cribs aren't entrapping and killing infants, you don't have to worry. If your baby strollers front wheels aren't seizing up and dumping infants onto pavement, you have nothing to worry about.

If you make sure to warn people about how to use a product safely and warn them about hazards, you should be fine. Most consumers aren't as smart as the person who made the product, they need to be warned about any potential danger.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:07 AM
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31. Posts 20, 22 and 23 have great answers, however I have a simpler
answer. A trial-lawyer that strikes out on his own IS a small-business. Hell how many firms have hundreds or thousands of trial lawyers? There are a couple of lawyers that duke it out in tv ads in my town. They clearly aren't BIG BUSINESSES!!
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:14 AM
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6. I can...
Because I just, well, I just AM pro--both!:D

Too much powder has passed between Dub's brain lobes for anything worthwhile to remain in there!:eyes:

B-)
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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7. You can't be pro-republican and pro-small business

They support the corporate takeover of small business in America.
For the life of my, I can't see why any small business owner would
support a party that is bought and paid for by the mega-corps that
displace the small business establishments.

Home Despot, Wal-mart, etc.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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8. it sounds like Bush wants to criminalize being a trial lawyer
seriously, that's what his rhetoric sounds like.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:17 AM
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14. no - just defund the Democratic party
sadly some Dems want to help him :evilfrown:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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9. What if your small business is a law office?
:D
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:17 AM
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13. Damn, great minds DO think alike?
:7
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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10. What if you have a small law firm?
Specializing in people getting squashed by Big Business?

Bush is such a dumb ass. Wind him up and let him go, and he runs around spouting whatever gibberish Unkle Karl programmed into his voice recorder...
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:16 AM
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12. Sure you can
But then, I can think with both sides of my brain and he can't think his way out of his ass.

:)


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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:18 AM
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15. This coming from a man who FAILED at every business endeavor...
he's EVER had!
He had small businesses, and each one of them failed completely.
I hate him. I really do.
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:19 AM
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16. The threat of lawsuit (accountability) is a built in part
of the capitalist system. It is the cost of doing business. I run a a small (very small - I'm the only employee) business and buy insurance to protect myself from liability. It's part of then system.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:19 AM
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17. It was a trial lawyer who saved my small business...
from illegal activity by a multinational corporation. And I think you'll find the majority of litigation in America is one business suing another.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:20 AM
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18. Odd - I recall at least one Chimpy business that needed trial lawyers!
At least until the SEC suspended its inquiry.

Then again, maybe Harken wasn't quite "small" enough to qualify.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:20 AM
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19. Anti-trust lawsuits: small business suing large business.
Contract disputes: small business sues large business trying to throw weight arround.

Tortious interference with right to contract: small business sues large business

MeMal/Product Liability: small person sues big person.

It's all part of the same thing. Republicans just don't like the little guy.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:01 AM
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28. VERY WORST ABUSE ...

One of the worst abuses in the business worlds is MEGA-Business suing little guys over trumped up trademark, patent and business practice cases. The aim is simple, drive potential competition from the marketplace.

I NEVER here Republicans complaining about this. The trial lawyers that Republicans hate are the one's who represent the little guy against the Big Guy. They hate class action lawsuits most of all because it allows lawyers to pool many similar cases to really stick it to big corporations that negligently harm consumers.

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TeacherCreature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:21 AM
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21. why are trial lawyers good when protecting corporations?
Why are trial lawyers good when stealing elections?
But when they are defending citizens they are BAD!
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:30 AM
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24. GWB can't hold two thoughts in his head EOM
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:34 AM
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25. Most lawyers ARE small businessmen
Lawyers tend to be either sole practitioners or partners (meaning business owners) of small firms. They deal with all the troubles other small business owners have.

It's much better experience than running an oil company into the ground with daddy's money.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:35 AM
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26. Does he mean trial lawyers like this?


Somehow, I doubt it.
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 09:57 AM
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27. Trail lawyers aren't after small business ....

Thats really a pretty stupid statement.

One must answer the question ....

"Who do you sue????"


You sue the person with the most money. Small businesses rarely have the type of capital or scope of influence to draw predatory lawsuits. Why spend years suing a small business when there is little or no monetary rewards to be reaped.

Finally, if the small businessman is being woefully irresponsible and causing financial damage to others ... He DESERVES to go out of business!!!!!!

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