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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:04 PM Original message |
Democratic Party platform withdraws support for Kyoto treaty.... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. sigh |
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patricia92243 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. I agree!! |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. And replace it with..... what? |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Maybe they'll unveil a "GHG Intensity Register" |
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nose pin (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. A Canadian solution? |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. But we're only looking at the highest CO2 concentration since the Eocene |
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bleedingedge (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Luckily, I don't believe in the Eocene, so I'm good <eom> |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Well, I'm still an Eocene fundamentalist, but to HELL with the Mesozoic! |
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bleedingedge (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Eoceneists are heretics! Paleozoic Is The One True Epoch! |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Fie, infidel! Fie, I say!! |
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resist (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sorry Friend |
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Literate Tar Heel (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. and Bush would have won by 20 points |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. yup... seems like Kucinich is in the wrong party |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
51. It isn't about swinging...its about leading. |
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Literate Tar Heel (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. "electabililty" isn't exactly nonsense |
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StandUpGuy (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. No Way |
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TucsonGreen (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
101. Kerry isn't exactly a win... |
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Amarant (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
104. No way |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
73. Sorry you're sorry |
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resist (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. Yea, you're right |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. Is there ANY reason left for being a Democrat? |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Well, you are welcome to join us in the Green Party, but |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I'm with you after November |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Terrific! We'll need help rebuilding the GP after it dies in several |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. We'll see how it's doing here in Ma at that point |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. I don't know anyone down that way myself, but I bet |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. Thanks GPV |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Any time. :^) *wave* |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
93. And yet the democrats wonder why half the country doesn't vote... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
102. Which is why I put my energy into fighting for election reform |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. Different flavor, same Sh*t |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. Sad. so damn sad. Goodbye, USA, goodbye anything left thats |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. And there is no place TO go... |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Leaving the US is the only way I can now live with myself. |
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LittleApple81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Where are you going? Just curious, you don't really need to tell. n/t |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. somewhere cheap , somewhere I can hide. n/t |
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LittleApple81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:31 PM Original message |
I feel very sad about where the rightwing has taken this country. |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
89. What saddens me is that I was born here |
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LittleApple81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:25 PM Original message |
Mari333, we can work from Kerry to something better. We can't do |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Let us hope so. We need to be LOUD after he is elected, so that he is not |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. As president Kerry can get a BETTER Kyoto treaty |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. 98-0 in the Senate the last time.... |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Has never been voted on... |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. And Byrd-Hagel was a "Sense of the Senate Resolution", wasn't it? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
98. You are correct... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I'll believe it when I see it, since leaving Kyoto in would have... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Bush was biased against it altogether, befitting his fascist pov. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. so does the platform say |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. So then....Kerry is only PRETENDING he doesn't support the treaty? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. No. But he has the opportunity to craft a better one as president |
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RichM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Oh bullshit. He's a complete sellout, a corporate lackey, & the only |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. So you ALWAYS say. Sorry, I don't trust your destructive viewpoint |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. By the same token |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. How many gave a shit about Kerry's work on the Kyoto Treaty before? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Sorry blm,you're wrong on this |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Isn't that the point? If you trust Kerry on the environment then |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Not arguing |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. how is it shunning the left to actually want to do something about global |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Took the words right out of my mouth |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. They didn't care about Kyoto when Kerry was for it |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
111. if that were the case then I'd have expected the party platform... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
91. Heh. And I'll be glad to let you know you're wrong. |
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dmkinsey (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
60. It's going to be a long grueling slog |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Maybe you shouldn't be so presumptous as to tell people |
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StandUpGuy (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
94. Don't you hate it when ... |
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TucsonGreen (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #94 |
108. HEAR HEAR!!! |
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StandUpGuy (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Every time I see a Naderite get flamed .... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. Don't confuse the utopians with facts. |
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Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. If it seems like progress when you're merely spinning your wheels, |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. I'm still optimistic. |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. Headline: Many DUers only read headlines! Extra! Extra! |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Retool? |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
48. The minute Kerry gets into office, bring this same pressure to bear |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Ha ha! |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
27. Deleted to keep issues out of Bush's hands, and/or create one. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
31. Well, let's see here |
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Dying Eagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. Fuck Them |
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iconoclastic cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Have you let him know how important it is to you? |
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HootieMcBoob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
39. From Kerry's website |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. does that say |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. So, we get to choose between half a shit sandwich or the whole thing? -n/t |
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NeonLX (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Get the hip waders out...the sh!t is getting mighty deep. nt |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
46. Didn't Kerry vote against Ratification? |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It's never come up for ratification |
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DaveSZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Bla |
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recidivist (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. Bingo. Kerry was right to vote no. Fix Kyoto before ratifying it. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. Exactly. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
85. Bravo! |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
86. Thank you for saying this |
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recidivist (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. It's even worse than that. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
55. We need to push these guys to do the right thing |
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DaveSZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. It might be though |
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TexasSissy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
68. WTF? No Kyoto Treaty? I'm VERY displeased, if this is true. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
71. Edwards has one of the worst environmental records. Kerry has one of the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
72. He always wanted to fix it |
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DaveSZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:14 PM Original message |
Well |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
78. He's already said |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. isn't that the truth |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 06:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
112. you start by leaving some mention of it in the party platform.... |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
75. Anyone wish they had voted for Dennis Integrity Kucinich? |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
79. This DRAFT drops support for the Death Penalty. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:22 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. The California Democratic Party called for a moratorium - almost unanimous |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
82. Interesting |
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bbmykel (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
83. More moving to the "center" I guess |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
87. Kyoto exempted developing countries, where MFG is moving |
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bbmykel (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. Of course it needed work |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. IMO it's railing like Kyoto would have been helpful that's pandering |
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Fear (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
92. jumping from nightmare to nightmare..........stay alert and stay |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
97. Dissapointing |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
99. Kerry is a shitty candidate... just not as shitty. |
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8-Ball (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
100. What???? |
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NeonLX (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Follow the money. nt |
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belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
105. Oh crap |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
107. WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE READ POST #95 BEFORE RESPONDING! |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
109. So how many of the phonies in this thread support Sen Byrd? |
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bbmykel (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. Talk about a straw man! |
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