Anyone watching CSPAN?

[rene moon]

Corrine Brown from FL got up and accused the Republicans leading the debate on the other side of participating in a "coup d'etat" in 2000. The guy responded by asking for her remarks to be "taken down," or stricken from the record. Now they're huddling to decide whether or not to strike her words.

They are now debating that!!

[rene moon]

1. kick!

[Wind Dancer]

2. What?

Explain more please!

[Vadem]

3. Yes! I saw it...what do you think about C-Span turning off the...

sound while the Chair was considering. Ms. Brown also said "you stole the election last time and you are not going to get away with it this time" (paraphrasing).

[rene moon]

5. I wanted to hear what was going on!

hmmm

[MUSTANG_2004]

39. Don't blame C-SPAN

The cameras are owned and operated by the House and Senate. They wouldn't let C-SPAN use their own cameras. From Brian Lamb:

"In the early days, when Tip O'Neill started it up, he wouldn't let private cameras in for a lot of different reasons. The cameras in the chambers are owned and operated by the House or the Senate with taxpayers' money."

[Literate Tar Heel]

4. damn!!

watching it now ... they just showed her comments again ... wow, it's about time!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Did it get stricken?

[Literate Tar Heel]

8. they're voting now ... n/t

[Ducks In A Row]

12. they're voting on a table appeal of the ruling of the chair

does that mean they voted and it's being appealed? or is it the actual vote?

[Vadem]

16. The chair ruled her remarks inappropriate by voice vote....

Ms. Brown asked to appeal, the chair again did a voice vote and, of course, the repubs drowned out the Dems and Ms. Brown asked for a recorded vote and that is what they are voting on now.

[DaveSZ]

7. .

Anyone else notice that the CBC members are the only Dems with guts (plus Dean and Kucinich I suppose)?

[rene moon]

10. Rep. Grijalva signed the UN letter that they are debtaing

[Vadem]

Absolutely! I was thinking that again as she was speaking....

and I was cheering and screaming at the TV.

[rene moon]

9. It about having the UN coming in an overseeing our election

They are tabling the appeal of the ruling of the Chair that the words of Congresswoman Brown (FL) saying the the Republicans stole the election in Florida are not in order.

Taking Down the Words - Requiring that a member's remarks be read to the chamber so that the presiding officer may determine whether they are offensive or otherwise violate the rules of that house. When any member makes a point of order against such remarks and asks that the words be "taken down," the alleged violator must immediately sit down and await the chair's decision. If the words are ruled out of order, a motion may be offered to strike them from the debate to be published in the Congressional Record.

In the House, a member whose words have been ruled out of order may not speak again on the same day without the chamber's permission, but he or she may withdraw or modify those remarks by unanimous consent. In the Senate, the member may not speak again until another matter is taken up unless the Senate agrees to a motion that he or she be allowed to proceed in order. On rare occasions, the House has censured a member for objectionable remarks.

Prohibited remarks are variously characterized as improper, disorderly, objectionable, offensive, intemperate, or unparliamentary.

[thecrow]

46. "Prohibited remarks are......."

Prohibited remarks are variously characterized as improper, disorderly, objectionable, offensive.....

Gee, you mean like the ones Cornyn made yesterday about the man who marries his turtle? Why the hell wasn't he struck down?
Oh, that's right... he's a Republican!

Hmmmm

[bushisanidiot]

11. Ms. Brown and the Dems were speaking to a proposal for the UN monitoring

our election.

and doesn't it speak VOLUMES that the repukes are AGAINST ANYONE monitoring our elections to make sure they're fair? the repukes want to throw people off the voter rolls, they want to stop vote counting, etc. how do they call themselves patriotic americans?? they clearly don't want the UN in because they don't want to get caught cheating AGAIN!!

[Lex]

13. I guess the TRUTH hurts too much to leave it on the record.

.
Hope they keep in on the record though, since she had enough courage to say it!

[tridim]

14. How empty was the chamber when she was speaking?

It looked like it was fairly empty. There are hundreds there now voting to not allow her speak her mind.

[Dudley_DUright]

15. Love your Daily Show graphic tridim!

A great souvenir of the best Daily Show ever. :-)

[Wind Dancer]

17. This is so frustrating to watch!

Rep. Brown is attacked for speaking the truth yet we have republicans who spew hatred and lies non-spot. I am so tired of the way certain people are treated in this country I could scream!!!

[truizm]

18. Shit, Republican CSPAN callers are stupid...

[Ducks In A Row]

20. the rep calling on the others line

is supporting her right to speech, although he disagrees with her.

So there's one with half a brain.

[Literate Tar Heel]

25. no kidding

the scary thing is how many of them are women ... what has BushCo ever done to advance women's rights?? the one a minute ago was ridiculous ... the U.N. monitoring our elections to ensure the democratic process is fair is "degrading" to us?? ... "Bush/Cheney '04 -- Because Democracy Is Degrading"

[tridim]

32. It should be noted that the Democrat callers

Are doing great! Lots of great points being made about BBV and disenfranchisement in the 2000 elections.

[Wind Dancer]

19. We need to email Rep. Brown

and show our support! I feel terrible for her.

[trof]

21. Just saw replay. Thanks for heads up.

Brave and amazing lady.

[Ducks In A Row]

22. So many callers

who have been brainwashed to believe there wasn't anything wrong in Florida in 2000 or now.

I wish we could sue the media for refusing to do their job.

[Ducks In A Row]

23. one republican is voting against the appeal

[Ducks In A Row]

24. damn, nevermind. the rep took it back

must have been knocked over the head.

[trof]

26. The woman who saud it's "our" fault?

Liberals?
Our fault Bush* wasn't able to have a fair election.
Up is down, black is white, day is night.
So sayeth the repug propaganda machine.

[Ducks In A Row]

28. She obviously drank the kool-aid

[tridim]

27. How does this work?

Will there be debate after this vote? I sure hope so. There should be some pissed off Dems. Maybe they should all echo Brown's words and get kicked out for the day as a protest.

[Literate Tar Heel]

30. that would be a newsmaker ... n/t

[Wind Dancer]

31. I can't believe how brainwashed certain

people are! The prejudice and ignorance in our country is terrifying.

[ThomWV]

29. Amazing

A lady just got through that got it right, this is an issue of freedom of speech.

[Ducks In A Row]

33. words are stricken

bastards

[ThomWV]

34. Those Motherfuckers

Her remarks will be removed.

So much for freedom of speach.

[Wind Dancer]

35. Words were stricken from the record!

This is democracy in our country, unbelievable.

[Rose Siding]

36. What's her campaign called?

anyone know? I'm in for 10 bucks.

[kayleybeth]

37. Down the memory hole...

How dare she tell the truth!

[Demonaut]

38. protest, walk out, the floor is not in order

at least the Dems and the one Independent stood their ground

[Ann Arbor Dem]

40. I just called her Washington office to voice my support.

I talked to a very nice guy who said that she was there in the office now giving some news interviews. I told him that, although I'm from Michigan, I was proud of what she said and that we need more true leaders like her to voice what many of us know. He sounded very happy to hear from me.

Her number is: [phone]

[spanone]

41. She screamed that they had stolen the election...she was on fire!!

Pissed Off. Then they struck her from the record. It's over and done.

[TexasSissy]

42. Wow. I hope they repeat that this evening so more of us can see it.

[enough]

43. It's hard to tell exactly what happened from this thread,

but it's obviously a stark example of how close the line is where our freedom of speech is limited.

Will be watching for this in the news and calling her office in the AM.

Thanks for the reports, DU.

[jmcgowanjm]

44. She represents Jacksonville, Gainesville, and Orlando

Very eloquent Gentleman answered the phone.

He said they had made their point.

The remark had to be read 5 times.

The Brown camp was happy.

Thanx for the phone #, Ann Arbor Dem

[ramblin_dave]

45. Yahoo has the story up

link:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&ncid=703&e=4&u=/ap/20040716/ap_on_go_co/house_florida_fight