can somebody give a synopsis about those Plame indictment threads?

[maggrwaggr]

I'd love to check them out, but once a thread hits 90 or so posts it becomes pretty much a pain in the butt to look at on my computer.

Yet others have been raving about them but not telling us what they're about.

Could someone give a brief synopsis of what those threads are about and why they're so, well, big?

Inquiring minds want to know.

:)

[olddem43]

1. What we need is someone who is very familiar with this topic

to write a good article summarizing what is known and what is speculation and have it placed (more or less permanently) on the home page. Article should be updated regularly, as new info comes in.

[LittleApple81]

2. Hmmm... that sounds like volunteering somebody else. I hope that

person surfaces and doesn't know the army motto: never volunteer.

[maggrwaggr]

3. jeez, after 1000 or more posts in all 9 threads, you'd think

someone could jot down a few sentences.

Maybe it's too complex?

:shrug:

[Atlas Mugged]

4. Kick

Because I share maggrwaggr's frustration.

[SilasSoule]

5. Thanks for asking the question

I keep thinking that I'll miss two days on DU and come back and see "Plame Indictments Thread 36" with 300+ replys each.

[SoCalDem]

6. Hmmm.. Is that you, George???

:evilgrin:

[serryjw]

19. Can I steal your kitty avatar?

Chaney and Scooter Liddy are going to fry...that's all that is important!:P

[Beam Me Up]

7. First of all, the threads can be downloaded in various formats:

From this site:
http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/PlameIndictments.html
(Say thanks to KraverKitty)

And some of them are mirriored here as MSWord documents:
http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/

VERY BRIEFLY, some suspect that Plame was outed not so much to 'get back' at Wilson (that is just the cover story), but to undermine a STING OPERATION -- as reported in TIME magazine -- involving WMD that may have exposed persons and or entities within or closely connected with this administration. All this is speculation based on various documentation woven into the threads.

Plenty More to Swear About
By JOE KLEIN

TIME Magazine
Jul. 5, 2004

. . . The torture investigation is one of four major defensive battles the Administration is facing. In the weeks to come, the White House will also have to deal with the 9/11 commission's final report, the congressional investigations into the CIA's bungled assessment of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and a special prosecutor's hunt for the White House leakers who blew the cover of CIA secret operative Valerie Plame. Not only is the Administration defending itself against the Democrats, the investigators and the media. Two other serious, surreptitious — and quite possibly unprecedented — battles are going on: the intelligence community is at war with the White House, and the uniformed military is at war with the civilian leadership of the Pentagon. The first conflict went public last week with news of the impending publication of Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terrorism, a book by an anonymous author who is known to be a senior CIA official and former chief of the agency's Osama bin Laden station. The invasion of Iraq was "an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat," the author writes. "There is nothing that bin Laden could have hoped for more than the American invasion and occupation of Iraq."

Michael Moore couldn't have said it any better — and this book was vetted by CIA censors. In fact, the views of Anonymous are an accurate reflection of the opinions I've heard from multiple intelligence sources. The spooks seem to believe that outgoing CIA Director George Tenet was strong-armed by Cheney and Rumsfeld into overassessing Iraq's WMD capacity. This may or may not be true, but it is the conventional wisdom in the intelligence community. Furthermore, there is intense anger over the White House's revealing the identity of Plame, who may have been active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of WMD components. Plame was outed in a White House attempt to discredit the finding of her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. "Only a very high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge that Plame was on the payroll" of the CIA, an intelligence source told me.

The military has made no secret of its fury with Rumsfeld and his coterie of neoconservatives at the Pentagon. Rumsfeld has been faulted for committing too few troops and too little planning to postwar Iraq. Returning National Guard leaders have been telling their congressional representatives about chaos in the field. There is also some rustling among the brass about General Tommy Franks' memoir, to be published in August. Bob Woodward reported that Franks once called Under Secretary of Defense Douglas Feith, who was charged with postwar planning, "the stupidest guy on the face of the earth," and some defense experts are wondering if Franks, who has a reputation for candor, will elaborate on that.

Edit: corrected html error

[maggrwaggr]

11. Wow! Thanks for posting that

I am now hooked. Reading the first thread.

I know what I'll be doing tonight .......

[Beam Me Up]

33. PDF files not downloading--if anyone has them, please private me

Thanks,

BMU

[StopThief]

8. Simple synopsis: write letters.

nfm

[KittyWampus]

9. Synopsis: Valerie Plame Was Outed To Stop WMD Investigation She Was Doing

and at the same time, Neo-Cons began process of discrediting Wilson.

Plame had been investigating proliferation of WMD components.

Halliburton/Cheney known to have sold to Syria.

What and WHO was she investigating, that caused Neo-Cons to out her.

[pearl]

10. Kick

keep this going cause we all need a summary of this.

[maggrwaggr]

12. download the pdf threads listed above!

they're just pdf text files, easy to read, and you'll be hooked immediately

It kind of ties everything together. Fascinating stuff

[maggrwaggr]

13. it seems to be sort of a "unified field theory" of BFEE, the world,

etc. etc.

I'm still only on the first thread ........

[Beam Me Up]

14. That's about right. Here is a summation from within thread 8

Pallas180 (1000+ posts) Thu Jul-15-04 01:55 PM
Response to Original message

23. THEORY OF THE WHY Valerie Plame Was Outed As CIA
Repeat from #7 - and all who have important posts that bring us up to date should re post them here on #8

A THEORY ON THE WHY - Plame -> Cheney->Halliburton
On my way home today, as I thought about the why the outing of Valerie Plame was necessary, I was so engrossed I drove 4 exits past my exit.

Here's what we know:

1) Valerie Plame was "active in a sting operation involving the trafficking of Weapons of Mass Destruction components"" when her identity was exposed by the White House. It also said" Only a high-ranking official could have had access to the knowledge" that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent.

2) Vice President Cheney since 1995 as CEO of Halliburton was fined 1.2 milion dollars for illegal sales of components to Libya which could be used for nuclear purposes. Shortly before becoming Vice President he bitterly assailed US policy against selling such components to Syrria and Iran, which apparently hurt Halliburton's bottom line.

3) There is an investigation of Vice President Cheney in other countries for illegal bribery and various other offenses connected to Halliburton as well as paying amounts to secret Swiss bank accounts

4)The Atomic Energy Commission has said a North American company is one of 20 being investigated for black market sales of WMD materials.

Here's the theory:

Valerie Plame was stopped in her tracks and the biggest treasonous taboo of revealing a CIA sting operation was done because she/it was coming close to discovering even more serious violations of the laws against trading nuclear materials with certain countries by our own Vice President and the Hallibuton company he has awarded billions of US taxpayer dollars to in non-bid contracts after he became VP.

Recently Libya was accused of having WMD components and the US threat
ened to invade unless Quaddaffi gave the WMD components to the US.

Bush 2 was seen on TV this week inspecting the cases of returned materials from Iraq triumphantly. The fact that Quaddafi received these illegal shipments of components from Cheney/Halliburton was not
mentioned in the victory video.

Dick Cheney, even after the Senate Intel Committee, The Atomic Commission and numerous other agencies have said no WMD exist in Iraq,

insists Iraq has WMD even in the last week.
Why? Because Dick Cheney knows he, through an offshore Halliburton company with a PO Box, at some time in the past sold Saddam Hussein WMD or components of WMD. In the same way "they" under Bush 1 adminstration sold Hussein lethal gas which he used, and then attacked him for using it saying he was a threat to the community.

Why do Cheney and Bush insist they must attack Syrria and Iran as the next step in making the world safe and that Syrria and Iran have
WMD? Cheney-Halliburton know that Syrria and Iran have WMD components because Cheney illegally sold the WMD components to Syrria and Iran.

Why did Bush Cheney know that North Korea had WMD and where did they gget the components?

Why were Pakistan and India able to test and develop nuclear weapons undetected by the CIA's "big eye in the sky" or any agency's seismic
discovery? And where did India and Pakistan purchase the components for WMD which were illegal for any company to sell them?

What was Valerie Plame investigating? good spooks vs the bad spooks in the FBI and CIA becomes very confusing to most, I think.

Not to add confusion to my "theory " above, but I also thought:
When Saudi Arabia asked Junior and Company to get out of Saudi Arabia afer we had built a monstrous and expensive base armed with the newest weaponry - one might call it a home base -why would they do that, when they had wanted US to protect them and their oil fields for years???

The reason given for asking us to vacate was to calm the anti-American element. Hmmm. But if they needed our protection from that very element, WHY would they ask their protector to leave.

BECAUSE they "likely" also received WMD from certain parties.
So now, we can guess, the entire Middle East is armed with illegal components of WMD...supplied by whom?hmmm
And I agree with you ROBERTPAULSEN- it's a great racket.

Supply them with the components, collect payment. Shuttle back and forth between private employment and government employment, selling WMD for your company's bottom line while a private CEO, earning large bonuses and deferred "payment" plus increased stock option value, go back into government, create a war on those countries who have the WMD you have sold them, then you have created a situation where your company and the other companies you hold stock in, or which belong to your other associates, can supply the army with munitions, destroy the country you have sold WMD to, and then the very same companies who supplied the munitions for destruction, go in and rebuild the country.

So. Now how many times have you profiteered?

1) illegal selling of WMD
2) earn bonus, increase value of stock options
3) Supply Army Munitions on no bid contracts
4) Rebuild the country on no bid contracts

[maggrwaggr]

15. gotta kick that one

:kick:

[Toucano]

17. Wow! Thanks so much.

:cheers:

[Ann Arbor Dem]

32. Thanks for posting this!

:)

[Toucano]

16. Thank you, maggrwaggr!

I was about this far from asking the same thing. I kept thinking it would cook down to a final paragraph or something. LOL!

If you miss a day or two on those threads forget about it! Thread 5 became thread 8 in a day or so.

[kohodog]

18. And we want input from inquiring minds!!

Another thrust has been a call to action to the media and representatives to keep this issue alive. Hopefully indictments are coming, but the huge effort in the media to discredit Joe Wilson only indicates that some (and we can make a very educated guess, wink, wink) are putting up a smokescreen to deflect attention from the culprits.

So there are sample letters and pleas to get duers involved in keeping the issue alive in congress and the media.

Along with that are all kinds of related issues like WMD trafficking and much, much more. Tons of obscure links and conversation.

[Tellurian]

20. kick~

good summary...on the mark this time!


:kick:

[kohodog]

21. thanks, but

does that imply I'm usually off the mark?

A genuine question.

[Tellurian]

23. not at all, kohodog..

I was referring to beam_me_up's post #14 is the most accurate summary to date..imo- There were other theory's put forth, I felt, did not accurately reflect the direction we should be going.. I spoke up about it and have been castigated by a few, one way or another, for doing so ever since..

[kohodog]

24. tellurian, your posts have been insightful,

and we're all trying out various theories as more info is brought out. It is way to early to come to conclusions so we need to keep the facts coming.

There have been plenty of tangents, and there are a few who keep bringing the focus back to the issue: why? who? etc.

I would say to those who have been intimidated by the length of the Plame threads, please start with the links to the early threads and at least skim them. And if there is a writer here, there are lots of possibilities for a great book.

[Tellurian]

28. I agree, kohodog...

my riff was about the conclusions...and a reminder to keep an open mind until we could get a handle on what the other side was doing and what their motivations were.. It wasn't obvious at first that Amb Wilson was a target.. all the focus was on the outing of Plame...when it suddenly occurred to me what Wilson's role was in the scheme of things, then it all made sense..

The defining factor was when we were able to look at what the circumstances would be if Wilson didn't speak up about the 16 words when he did...thats when it became clear what the game was about.

The very next day, after I stated my theory, was when the assault on Wilson from Schmidt and the NYT became serious...actually, by Joe Wilson crying foul when he did, he tipped the balance of the scales of what would have been an easy path for the perps involved to brand Wilson a traitor, using him as the scapegoat for Bush going to war.

You all have to remember, Clinton's first utterance when asked about the war...he said: "What is Bush's exit strategy?" There never was a response from the WH on his statement...It just evaporated into the ether..his question resonated with me and became the foundation that would eventually prove my theory out as a valid one.

The shorter version...By correcting Bush, Wilson threw a monkey wrench into their gears and forced them to change the dynamics of their plan.

And I agree, with you. The input of all have to be considered as options until disproved and discarded to be successful.

[merh]

26. koho - another discrediting campaign of the admin is the obvious

campaign against France. France may have had an invested interest in Iraq and may have been opposed to the invasion for that reason and for humanitarian reasons, but so have other nations.

France has been investigating cheney and haliburton's relative to tax evasion and bribery of tax officials in Nigeria during the time cheney was the CEO. France has wanted to indict cheney for his role, thus the Freedom fries campaign.

This evening on CNN they did a rather long segment on the anti-semitic crimes perpetrated against the jews in France over the last couple of years. The segment basically said that the French admin cannot be trusted and has lied in an effort to downplay the crimes and to take the sentiments seriously. So, it begins again. The efforts of the talking heads spewing our admin's slanted stories to discredit France. I wonder why? Could the French have their indictments in order and will they try to indict cheney soon?

Discrediting witnesses, victims and investigating agencies is the modus operandi of * & co.

[kohodog]

27. I hope the French drag Cheney's ass off to jail

But I suppose they'd have to find him in his cave first. Isn't it ironic that two of the world's biggest war criminals (OSB and Cheney) are hiding in caves!

[TacticalPeek]

22. Another couple of interesting things not widely realized about this:

Wilson reveals in his book that a group of the usual suspects, including Newt Gingrich and pardoned felon, Elliot Abrams, met in the VP offices in March 2003 and decided to do a "work-up" on Wilson, four months before his op-ed in the NYT in July 2003. March 2003 is when the IAEA did their merciless shoot-down of the forged docs.

When his article did appear in July, the WH almost immediately withdrew the Niger claim, like the next day, during aWol's trip to Africa. Anonymously, from AF1, IIRC. So, of all the horseshit these creeps shoveled in the rush to war, why did this one aspect cause a "hot stove" recoil?

Makes one wonder. And when you wander through those threads, a whole lot of stuff turns up to wonder about.

:)

[Tellurian]

25. Gingrich is more insane than the rest of them...

He progressively seeks the limelight of importance now that the Truth has detained him somewhere between heaven and hell.. The old guard listens to Gingrich as a trusted old brigadoon rife with ideas.

Gingrich is so far out of the loop and so out of touch with the lightening speed with which the flow of information surfaces; he's been left stranded in time mouthing the words of a thousand points of light and the contract with America at the gates of 1992..

[Beam Me Up]

29. OMG! Now THIS thread is taking on aspects of the Plame Threads!

:) :hi:

So many pieces of a giant jigsaw puzzle representing a particularly nasty reality. But there is POWER in knowing -- which is why good INTELLIGENCE sources are so highly valued.

Thanks Tellurian and Koho.

[BrotherBuzz]

30. That's exactly what we needed...

The dialup crowd at DU has, by and large, been left out of this debate and we now have a flavor of what it's all about.

Thank you maggrwaggr for asking the question that needed to be asked, and thank you Tellurian, Koho, and beam_me_up for your responses.

[Beam Me Up]

31. I know, believe me, even with DSL (and an older system)

past a 100 or so posts, it takes several minutes for the threads to download and reconfigure in the browser.

I notice the PDF files (links above) are no longer downloading -- at least for me. Not sure what that is about as I have nothing directly to do with them.

Threads one through eight are available as MSWord documents here, though: http://www.aeschatech.com/dumpster/

[H2O Man]

34. The Plame Threads

are, as described by a couple friends who participate above, a way to organize some of the DUers who are interested in helping to expose the bush/cheney administration as the criminals they are. This is a complex issue, and the "research staff" we have gathered has shown a remarkable ability to find and connect information about the true story behind the Niger-Iraq investigation, and the "response" by the cheney administration. The core group, and a larger group of "part-time" contributors, always welcomes new people.

We need to have 100+ people write letters to a couple media sources and elected officials.

[banana republican]

35. So Cheney is doing a Rumsfeld on Syria.

Remember Rummy sold WMD to Iraq and then we invaded in 2003 because of the WMD;

Now Cheney sells WMD to Syria who Gen. Clark said was on the short list for invasion.


Does this sound about right???