Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape

[newyorican]

> >After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May,
there
> >was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more
horrific
> >than
> >anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public,
obviously
> >it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the
Washington
> >Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the
prison.
But if
> >Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.
> >
> >Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that
children
> >were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has
tape
> >of it.


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=17631&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=70ab3ceb2aaecbae506d27fcb072e83c

[Not Me]

1. Randi was talking about this today.

These pictures need to come out NOW. While I am not sure I can stomach them, democracy demands it.

[Cleita]

3. Yes, I heard her talking about it and she said that the women

were screaming for their husbands to kill them because they couldn't protect the children, the young boys being sodomized, and that the screams of the children were awful. I keep reading and hearing about this and I can't believe it's happening. She really dissed the so-called media who have totally ignored this with the need to talk about anything BUT this.

[acmavm]

2. And where is the 'family values conservative Christian' party now? Why

aren't the screaming about 'sodomy' now? Why? Because it's righteous Americans sexually abusing Iraqi children, children who don't count for anything, that's why.

This, to me, says everything that need to be said about the Christian Right and their holier-than-thou speil.

By the way, why aren't the Catholic Bishops weighing in on this? Don't even for a minute think I'm picking on Catholics because I am a Catholic. Where are the rest of these god-fearing hypocrites? Hiding their heads, trying to tell themselves that this just isn't happening, that's where.

[Cleita]

4. This can't sink. Lurkers need to see this.

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[Roon]

5. These photos/video will NEVER be released..

because possesing a copy would be ILLEGAL. This is going to fade away I'm afraid.

[MetaTrope]

6. I concur

No doubt they are stored in the same place that held Bush's military pay records.

[Melodybe]

21. Illegal for having a copy?

I don't think so... Obviously Hersh saw the video if he can describe the children's screaming as "chilling", so it is "out there" somehow... Plus, I first heard about this before, and the story seems to be getting more and more attention. That makes it harder and harder to keep under wraps.

[Roon]

26. Then what the hell is hersh waiting for..

Whether the video is released or not, why is Hersh sitting on this story for so long? If I was a reporter and had this scoop, I wouldn't be able to sleep until it was filed.

[LibertyorDeath]

23. To late it's already out

In Europe

In the Middle East

In most of the rest of the World

The New Yorker & Seymour Hersh will Run with this Soon.

Torturing Children this cesspool of Shit will be exposed
for all the World to see.

[Cleita]

7. Kick. Someone must care.

:kick:

[mike_c]

8. what does this have to do with Martha Stewart...?

She LIED you know!

The dereliction of the U.S. press is shameful.

[Mr_Spock]

9. I'm think the video will come out closer to the election.

...or at least that's my hope! :)

[Cleita]

10. Welcome to DU.

:-)

[Judi Lynn]

29. That would seem appropriate, for sure, as long as it DOES come out....

It would be a horrendous sin if these people are able to avoid being addressed directly for this behavior.

Guess we all knew _Bush had something vile in mind when one of his first moves was to distance the U.S. from acknowledging the International Criminal Court.

Welcome to D.U., Mr_Spock.

[Mr_Spock]

34. It better come out or we'll have to make it a major issue of free speech

They can't hide what they did - it's not the way we do things here in the US. I trust Hersh when he says he's not done reporting on this issue - we'll just have to wait a while longer.

Thanks for the welcomes though I had to change my username due to a bad choice and some freeps, so I am not really new.

[Cleita]

11. Cringe for those who don't want to look at this and another

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I can't keep this up though so help is needed.

[MissB]

12. I'll kick it once or twice

Frankly, I think the Bev vs David match is taking up everyone's time today.

Something so horrible to contemplate is easier to put aside.

[Beam Me Up]

13. Here's a link to Hersh speaking to ACLU about this

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6492.htm

posted from another thread on this subject.

[Cleita]

14. This gets so awful that I can't think anymore.

:cry: Children!?

[Beam Me Up]

15. I hear ya.

Listen to what Sy Hersh has to say, if you haven't already. All of this must come out if we're to stop it from happening now and, hopefully, ever again. As Hersh says (paraphrase), 'We had no idea how fragile our Democracy actually was.'

[Octafish]

16. The BFEE is EVIL.

This isn't the first time.

George Bush, The Cia, Mind Control & Child Abuse

May 5, 2003
From the Streets of Little Beirut
Glen Yeadon

On January 28, 2003, amid the furor of the impending war with Iraq the British press briefly reported on Operation Ore, the most thorough and comprehensive police investigation of crimes against children before being squashed by the Blair government. Besides implicating Rock guitarist Peter Townsend of the Who, the report claimed that senior members of Tony Blair's government were being investigated for pedophilia and the "enjoyment" of child-sex pornography. With the investigation reaching to senior members of his Government, Blair declared a news blackout on the story.

Moreover, the British report was not the first such case reported. In fact, it followed on the heels of a report from Portugal. On November 27, 2002, the press reported a scandal of pedophile ring run from a state orphanage. The Guardian reported that the scandal threatened to engulf diplomats, media personalities and senior politicians. Photographs of senior government officials with young boys from Lisbon's Casa Pia orphanage were among the evidence. More shocking however, were the revelations that systematic sexual abuse of children at the home had allegedly been going on for more than 20 years and had been known to police and other authorities for most of that time.

On January 14, 2002, Insight Magazine reported the charges leveled by Ben Johnson against his employer Dyncorp, a major defense contractor. Johnson charged that officials and employees of Dyncorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior and were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and participating in other immoral acts. Johnson had witnessed his supervisors and fellow employees buying 12- to 15-year-olds as sexslaves.

SNIP...

More disgusting is the role the United States government plays in facilitating this global sex trade. Instead of banning the previously mentioned Dyncorp from further defense contracts, the regime of George W Bush rewards it in granting major contracts for the Iraqi war. Even more shameful is the wink and nod the state department grants the Saudis. The Arabian Peninsula has long been known to be purchasers of slaves. Mostly the slaves came from India or Africa however, with the advent of the oil wealth the Saudis have became more selective and are known as high-end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nation’s treaty on slavery and extradition treaties. There have been several incidents in the past where the media has reported a slave of a Saudi prince brought into the United States escaped. The State Department then intervenes and returns the escaped slave to the Saudi prince and the incident forgotten. The State Department exempts the Saudi princes from normal custom procedures. A child slave bought by a Saudi prince can be delivered to his plane and allowed to depart without the required passport for the child. One fortunate victim that became entangled in the Saudi sex ring was the former Miss USA Shannon Marketic. She had been lured to Saudi Arabia by what she believed was legitimate modeling work. Being a high profile case she was returned to the United States and filed suit. The former Miss USA lost her lawsuit as the State department granted immunity to her abductors.

CONTINUED ...

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/littleboys.html

[newyorican]

17. ...

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[Cleita]

18. Another

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[T Bone]

19. on top

And no one ever asks McClelland about it either in a press conference.

[Cleita]

20. Last kick for tonight.

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[Kool Kitty]

22. Kick.

How can the media NOT cover this?

[Mr_Spock]

25. I sent email begging CNN to cover this story.

Eventually it will break - the closer to the election the better. A little delay won't hurt while the story is flushed out. I can wait :)

[hel]

24. Wow. I got an email about this 6 months ago.

It was an Iraqi woman's letter to her husband, asking him to kill her and "everybody in Abu Ghraib with her". The email was being forwarded left and right in Turkey. Didn't believe it was genuine at that time, and I have still doubts, but it was just the same thing Seymour Hersh said.

[Disturbed]

27. Photos and Videos

The Pentagon has them and refuses to release them. They did allow some members of Congress to view them but the Right Wing is stopping them from being released to Congress. This is a major obstruction of the Right Wing in Congress and a Cover Up by the Bush Admin. War Crimes have been commited and systematic torure was approved by the Pres. passed along by Rumsfailed. The lid on this putrid sludge is being kept tightly sealed.

[bluestateguy]

28. Will the Europeans put it on the Internet?

The more Eurpean stations that air it the harder it will be even for our corporate media to ignore it.

[Judi Lynn]

30. I hope they'll get around to seeing a real cover-up would destroy them

once the rest of the world knows what they're hiding.

God, I hope they don't get by with this. You'd like to think there's something stronger in our lives and world than these monstrosities in the _Bush regime.

[Flubadubya]

31. ...

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[dumpster_baby]

32. no t really anything on news.google.com about this

Only 4 hits for abu + ghraib + children + sodomized

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=abu+ghraib+children+sodomized&btnG=Search+News

[LibertyorDeath]

37. I got more hits with this

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=abu+ghraib+children+tortured&btnG=Search+News

Americans are "very naïve," she says. "They don't want to see" the involvement of the United States in torture over the years. The Abu Ghraib scandal "is nothing new," she says. "This has been happening behind your eyes for many years."

The United States likes to see itself with a halo on its head, and whenever a revelation like Abu Ghraib or My Lai surfaces, U.S. citizens tend to shrug it off as an anomaly. When you look at the last fifty years of U.S. history, it is anything but.

Asked about the abuses in Iraq, he says he feels "a tremendous sadness." And it reminds him of the horrors he was subjected to. "It's as if it goes on and on," he says. "How can people do that? And how can the United States pursue this blind policy that is so inhuman and arrogant, that assumes one person is worth more than another? We should not look at it as an isolated thing. This is a systemic approach to dealing with other people and other nations: the abuse of human rights, the rapes, the torturing, this goes on in many countries that the U.S. has supported and financed. I'm a survivor of that policy. In the long run, the United States must see the dignity and value of all human life."

http://www.masnet.org/articleinterest.asp?id=1423

[Deja Q]

33. KICK

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[ocean girl]

35. I watched the Hersch speech last night and I felt like crying

but I also felt some hope that a great American like Hersch is willing to speak the truth. He also assured us that this will come out - that gives me some hope.

[Ms. Clio]

36. kick

[ClassWarrior]

38. kicking for the kids

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