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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:13 PM
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Non Anglo-Irish-Scots-Welsh Presidents
C'mon let's name 'em! (Eisenhower...)And why are we still saddled by leaders whose ancestors hail from the British Isles? No value judgements, but it just occured to me that the "Great Melting Pot" is still run by the sons of Great Britain and Ireland.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:14 PM
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1. Kerry!
woohoo!
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:16 PM
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2. Uhhh...
An Irish name...whether he is or not.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:20 PM
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3. he isn't and i think it got changed when the family emigrated
i read it somewhere, and Kerry has Jewish ancestry also
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:07 AM
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10. His family is Czech and Jewish.
And I think your issue is with WASPs not with Irish Catholics like Kennedy and Clinton. The Irish Catholics were called white niggers for a good portion of the 19th and early 20th century so they aren't really part of the establishment.
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:22 AM
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12. No beef
with Irish or Catholics...just wondering why the leaders of this country are overwhelmingly from the islands off the NE cost of Europe in this country.
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wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 01:55 AM
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13. Cause they have all the money?
And there are enough racists left in America to ensure they keep getting elected.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:26 AM
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14. On his mother's side, Kerry family names are Forbes & Winthrop.
Very WASP.
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:20 PM
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4. Why include Irish?
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 11:20 PM by Narraback
Only Jack Kennedy and Bill Clinton were proud of the fact! Nixon used it for votes after he found a connection (Via Quakers) and Ronnie mocked the cobblestone hard heads of the Irish when he visted Boston!
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:22 PM
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6. John Adams had an Irish Mother but she went by Boylseton not..
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 11:23 PM by Narraback
Boyle to pass!
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:25 PM
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8. Grant's mother was from Antrim
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 11:25 PM by Narraback
Which is one of the reasons he was mocked as a poor president and not the general that won the Civil War.
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NervousRex Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:32 PM
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9. Because...
I read somewhere that the largest "white" ethic group claims to be of German heritage. With the rare exception of the old Dutch colonialist families; Roosevelts and Van Buren, the ancestors from the British Isles still remain in the top positions of power in this country, which I find strange.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:27 AM
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15. Can the Irish help it if we're great campaigners?
It's that whole "gift of the gab" thing we've got going on!
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:21 PM
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5. Van Buren was of Dutch descent
Edited on Fri Jul-16-04 11:21 PM by ZombyWoof
And sucked a big one. On the other hand, both Roosevelts, also Dutch.

Racial theories = effective presidences - shot to hell.

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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:23 PM
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7. Both Roosevelts (Dutch)/nt
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 12:17 AM
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11. Kerry's paternal grandfather was an immigrant Jew
he changed his last name to kerry because of anti semetism. his real last name was "kohn". his grandfather also ended up commiting suicide.

kerry's father was a government worker. while kerry has a lot of blue blood from his mother's side. his father's side of the family had a very tough time. and i guess it could be said they have also been lucky in "marrying up" as kerry himself says he did.

kerry's grandfather comes from a little town in czech republic or soome other eastern european nation and they were excited when they heard the grandson(john kerry) was going to run against bush. they also would like him to visit there. i think it would be nice for him to visit also.
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