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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:30 PM
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What do you think a Republican utopia would look like?
Let's say the neo-cons got everything they wanted. What would the U.S. and the world look like?

The more detailed your response, the better. Is there a country or time period it would resemble?

How much of their dream do you think they've achieved? Would the American people stand for it?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:31 PM
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1. Look at Haiti
or any other 3rd world dictatorship if you want to see the ideal.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:46 AM
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63. Christianity run wild
If the Neoconstipated assholes had their way, there would be NO government at all. The churches would steal even more from the masses and stingily toss one or two crumbs to the less fortunate. Everything would be privitized and all of America would look like Mexico with billions of shacks for the masses and mansions for the rich. No middle class.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:33 PM
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2. Isn't the word...

...dystopia?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:37 PM
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6. Well, to us it certainly would be
but if it is their vision being put into place, it would be a utopia to them. At least that was my reasoning for the word choice.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:46 PM
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12. I suspect...

...that many of them would be utterly shocked if they got what they want. Republican philosophy only benefits a few...once the majority of Republicans figured out they, by definition, can't be the elite, they wouldn't find it so utopic.
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oostevo Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:33 PM
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3. A combination of ...
Hitler's Final Solution and the beginning of Pleasantville.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:34 PM
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4. For starters, the proper term would be
DYSTOPIA.

pnorman
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:39 PM
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10. See post #6
Does that reasoning not work?

I can change it if will keeps posters from addressing the question that was posed. :shrug:
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:35 PM
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5. HBO made a series out of it
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 08:35 PM by rpalochko
Deadwood
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:21 PM
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33. Actually Deadwood is based on Real People and Real Events from that period
in US History.

While I'm sure a lot of creative liscense is taken, the people in Deadwood are the actual people that lived in the very real town called Deadwood, South Dakota, back in 1876. :)
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:37 PM
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7. White faces everywhere

It would most likely resemble Germany if they'd won the war.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:38 PM
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8. Salem witch hunts,
or slavery works for me, the new America.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:38 PM
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9. Lots of razor wire.....
Doubt I would be around to see it. They will never take me alive.
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Blaufish Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:45 PM
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11. GOP Utopia
Edited on Sat Jul-17-04 08:47 PM by Blaufish
Some combination of 'The Handmaid's Tale' and '1984' ?

Edit: corrected title of book.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:37 AM
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61. Hi Blaufish!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Blaufish Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:09 AM
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74. HI! and Thanks! :o) eom
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:47 PM
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13. It would look much like the United States did...
... 1900. High degree of rural poverty. No minimum wage. No security net for the poor, of which there would be many. Large multinational corporations would effectively run the government. Unions would be outlawed, and the private security forces of corporations would attack impromptu labor organizing.

There would be little sense of environmental care, since the greatest good is not for society, but rather for the strong who will take what they want.

The military would be as large as the diminishing middle class could afford in taxes, and would be used to gain access to cheap raw materials and cheap labor around the world, or to subdue countries to which the US owed too much money.

The populace would alternately be terrorized by its government and bombarded with homilies by televised preachers exhorting the benefits of Christianity.

Sort of Bangladesh, with Park Avenue running through the middle, with a national security police force to protect the wealthy.

Worse than things are now, but headed in that direction if the extremists have their way.

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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:58 PM
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18. Yeah....
I go for the "robber baron" period , only on steriods.

They rule...we be the fool.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:04 PM
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20. Disagree With Rural Poverty
poor will be shoved into urban centers.

All 'rural' properties will be needed for the elites huge mansions and pleasure gardens.

Cities will have walled off sections for theater, fashion, townhouses etc. Only servants with proper ID will be able to enter.

Food will be imported from Mexico. Perhaps some still grown in US by large multinationals only.

Farm laborers will be controlled migrants (indentured servants) only... shipped from one crop to next. No getting off merry go round for those workers... they try to leave- they get shot.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:07 PM
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25. Very accurate assessment
Don't forget the incessant riots and infighting among the disenfranchised due to media distortion and propoganda.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:11 PM
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28. punpirate, well said n/t
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Comicstripper Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:36 AM
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76. No it wouldn't.....
....the slaves were free in 1900....
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:48 PM
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14. Dantes Inferno
with the pictures of devils roasting people and throwing them in pits.
Yep, Dante nailed it.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:55 PM
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16. ...and lots of big-boobed women
with flat heads so these righteous folk can rest their Manhattans and Beers...
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:04 PM
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19. Mexicoclone. Dems goal = Canada.
That's in brief.

In full, GOP would like to outsource all jobs to India, bringing in some indians for a few jobs here.

within a month, all usa would starve except for 100 billionaires. No resistance, since the US middle class cannot unite across ethnic lines. Almost never has.{stay with me, i am using the "scifi mind" to forsee this topic LOL}

Then, ten yrs from now, robots would replace all indians here, and in india... and employees all over the globe. Most humans starve in a month.

They do not rise up because they cannot unite across racial and ethnic lines. Result: 100 billionaires and some robots are the world. They write histories telling that this is surely the best outcome for humanity.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:54 PM
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15. There can be no GOP utopia.
Just not possible.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:07 PM
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26. Care to elaborate?
For the framework of this question, I was think utopia would be in the eyes of the creator.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:59 PM
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37. Since GOPers claim to love unfettered capitalism and competition
there will always be winners and losers in their ideal system. How can that be utopia for the losers?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 08:57 PM
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17. You can see it anytime you fly into a third world city
Its the tin roof shanty towns. Thats the repub utopia.

Its all about cheap labor.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:05 PM
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21. Neo-con utopia? Read PNAC's manifesto...
I think a neo-conservative utopia would be like any other:

- World Peace
- Global self-determination
- Economic prosperity for all


However, we need look no further than Iraq to understand the reality of their vision for America:

- U.S. military bases in hostile lands enforcing "freedom"
- Perpetual war
- Never-ending debt

PNAC's Statement of Principles tell the story: http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Short version: The goal of PNAC is to make the U.S. military, already the most awesome in the history of the world, into a force of world domination. The language they employ isn't quite that up front, but the code words they use leave little doubt about their intentions. Their core belief is that America has a moral obligation to spread its values throughout the world and, if necessary, by force.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:06 PM
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22. America - 1929 /eom
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:06 PM
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23. If, God help us, they win in November...
Here's Shrub's next SOTU address:

My fellow Americans: I stand before you tonight as the messenger of a new beginning for our country – to announce the culmination of our efforts to offer you the perfect American society. This past November, you, the citizens of the United States, courageously rejected for all time the destructive and immoral message of the liberal philosophy that for so long has degraded this great country. We have seen that the problems that have plagued us for so long are the direct result of the evils of liberalism. For many years the Democrats and other liberals have shamelessly supported the despicable causes of criminals, foreigners, atheists, perverts, pacifists, pornographers, drug addicts, socialists and personal injury lawyers.

But now, at last, the people of the United States have been freed from the oppression of liberal wickedness. Never again will good Christian Americans be subjected to this degradation: No more will excessive taxes be imposed on all you decent people to support the dope habits of lazy, undeserving welfare cheaters. No more will good jobs be taken away from upstanding, God-fearing men and given instead to unqualified misfits in the name of “diversity” and to selfish career women who should be at home taking care of their husbands and children. No more will peculiar-looking foreigners who wear strange clothes and speak strange languages be allowed to enter our great country and bring along their pagan gods and disgusting personal hygiene, only to drive our taxis, defile our women and plot terrorist acts against us. All of this wickedness is over forever because you spoke to us in November. You told us what you wanted us to do.

I know, therefore, what I must do to preserve this new society for all time. Tomorrow I will sign an executive order that repeals the Constitution. I will do this because, having finally achieved the foundation of a perfect society, we no longer need it. The Constitution is now obsolete. I mean no disrespect to this great historical document, but we must understand that it has outlived its purpose, which was to protect you, the people, from the evil effects of liberal doctrines while the final structure of our society was being formed. This process has taken over two hundred years, but at last the perfect society is finally ours to enjoy to its fullest, without the now-unnecessary and artificial constraints the Constitution used to require.

Next, I will abolish the Democratic Party and all other liberal political parties. When you entrusted both houses of Congress and the executive branch to the Republican majority, you told us that in our perfect society we no longer need a two-party system. You have demonstrated that we Americans will not tolerate the continued existence of any party or organization that encourages perversion and multiculturalism. Therefore everyone will register as Republicans, and those who refuse to do so will be designated as enemy combatants and dealt with accordingly. Now, obviously, being a properly registered Republican will not have quite the same effect as it used to, since we no longer will require elections. Registration will ensure that all of our citizens remain loyal to this great country and its leaders, but no more must you bear the heavy burden of actually electing your representatives. This means you won’t have to listen to tiresome campaign speeches or take time away from your productive, Godly lives to stand in line at some dingy neighborhood recreation center waiting for a grumpy ninety-year-old election judge with fumbling hands and cataracts to find your name on the voter list, only to discover you have been waiting for forty-five minutes in the line for a precinct you don’t live in any more because the liberal Democrats redistricted your area in order to dupe a certain category of ignorant, irresponsible people into voting for them, and failed to notify you.

Since we will no longer need elections, all of our leaders will be appointed for life. No one should be in the least concerned about this, since we will always be careful to appoint only the most moral, Christian, upstanding men who represent the best interests of those who offer the most to our new perfect society. It has become clear that there are two classes of people in this country. You, the voters who made this new society possible, are the Contributors. You may be sure that you will always be represented and protected by your government. The others – the Parasites – are the fat, colored welfare whores; the smelly foreigners with annoying accents; the effeminate liberal college professors who teach students to disrespect their leaders and embrace dangerous ideas; the whiny homosexual hairdressers who do things with each other that God-fearing people can’t stand to think about; the big hairy lesbians in overalls; the artists whose paintings are either filthy and pornographic or else don’t look like anything at all; the poets whose poems don’t even rhyme; the atheists; the Muslim heathens who wear diapers on their heads, eat sheep, who don’t believe Jesus is God and only want to destroy America; the grubby, dirty union workers with their cheap lunch pails and work boots and communist slogans; the environmentalists who don’t want you to take the natural resources – the trees, the water, the air, the oil, -- that God gave you to use however you want; the ACLU and their fellow travelers who defend liberal ideas – These propagators of dangerous and discredited leftist notions don’t even deserve representation.

But we have solved that problem. Under our new system, each state will send one representative, called a Delegate, to Congress. This man – and of course they will all be men, to ensure that our women are safe at home with their children -- will be appointed by the state’s governor, who will have been appointed by the state’s Republican Party chairman. That chairman will be appointed by the Republican National Committee. The Delegates will advise the president of the needs and desires of the Contributors in their states, the status of the state’s Parasites, and will also ratify all the laws the President proposes. This system of selecting officials will ensure that no pernicious liberal doctrine will ever infiltrate our system again.

We will overhaul the legal system as well. Personal injury litigation will be a thing of the past, and the trial lawyers will be sent to detention camps with the other enemy combatants. Most Parasites’ injuries are their own fault, but because of the liberals and their dangerous notions of justice these people have forgotten what personal responsibility means. They will no longer be permitted to extort money from our corporations or our decent, upstanding Contributors just because they were clumsy and ended up with a little whiplash or quadriplegia. If, however, a Contributor -- an oil company executive or an investment banker, for example -- is injured, he will be compensated generously from a special fund because his work is highly valuable to our new perfect society.

Crime, which has always been the result of liberals’ permissive attitudes toward bad behavior, will no longer be tolerated. If a Parasite is arrested he will immediately be either sent to a detention camp or eliminated. Public defender programs for the so-called poor, a particularly wasteful liberal invention, will be abolished, since anyone who is a Parasite is surely guilty and a trial would obviously be a waste of resources. Those Parasites who are charged with crimes such as murder, robbery, theft, assault, or drug trafficking will be promptly executed. Those accused of certain other crimes such as blasphemy, forgery, driving while intoxicated, or propagating liberal doctrine will remain in detention camps, and will be assigned to appropriate work details. The rape of a single woman will be decriminalized, since unmarried women tend to be immoral and will consent to sex with any man. An exception will be made with respect to any Parasite man accused of raping a woman who is married to a Contributor; those men will be executed. Any unmarried woman who claims to have been raped will be charged with adultery and sent to a detention camp. What the liberals ridiculously termed “domestic assault” will also be decriminalized – surely a Christian man is entitled to discipline his own wife.

Those very rare Contributors who are charged with a crime will be entitled to trials before a duly-appointed Republican judge and a jury of his Contributor peers, and he will be provided with legal counsel at government expense. We all realize that it is unfair for these valuable people to have to spend their own money to defend themselves when they are probably innocent. Of course, all liberal judges, as well as those judges who are not practicing Christians or who are members of Parasite groups will be removed from office and sent to detention camps. We also intend to decriminalize conduct such as insider trading, so-called “creative accounting,” and what the liberals absurdly used to call stock fraud. These actions, which seldom harm important people and in fact tend to benefit them, are not serious enough to warrant any punishment other than, perhaps in a few very extreme circumstances, a small fine, rather like a speeding ticket.

The tax code will be drastically revised for the benefit of you decent, God-fearing
Contributors. Our deregulation plan will mean the government will require less money, and that money will come almost entirely from taxes on the wages of the Parasites, who deserve to bear the greater tax burden because they offer so little to, and drain so much from, our perfect society. Contributors’ salaries will be taxed at a minimal rate; all existing deductions will be preserved; and there will be no taxes on investment income, stock options, capital gains, or estates valued at more than $1 million. There will be no restrictions on corporations that prefer to conduct offshore operations for the purpose of tax minimization. Under this plan, you will reap the benefits of your hard-earned investments.

Obviously this plan will cause some reduction in government revenue. But you voters have clearly rejected the pernicious liberal notion of a big, intrusive government. Therefore we plan to eliminate most regulatory agencies, which will result in huge tax savings. And better yet, this will finally get the government off the backs of the people. By executive order, I will disband unnecessary, wasteful agencies such as OSHA, NHTSA, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, the NTSB, the FAA, the EPA, the EEOC, the SEC, HUD, the Federal Election Commission, the Mine Safety and Health Administration, the Federal Railroad Administration, the FTC, FEMA, the Food and Drug Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the National Mediation Board, the NRC, and many others. Furthermore, the new Congress, under my guidance, will repeal many burdensome liberal laws such as the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Clean Water Act, and the Environmental Protection Act. We trust our business leaders to provide safe and fair conditions and safe products; we don’t need the government to do it for us. Furthermore, businessmen should be allowed to hire, promote and fire whomever they want; landlords should be able to select the tenants they want to live in their buildings; children should be able to go to schools with other children who look, act, talk and think like they do; and all of you should be allowed to live in safe, clean, attractive suburban neighborhoods with other good Christian Contributors like yourselves. Now we can do all of these things. Now we don’t have to worry about liberal nonsense like diversity and political correctness. We are free Americans.

And this government will never again preach at you about what kind of vehicle you should drive. The liberals told you that it was bad to drive an SUV because they use too much gasoline. They tried to make you feel guilty about driving that big, beautiful Excursion or Suburban or Navigator through your city to your workplace or your child’s soccer match or your church services. As usual, the liberals were wrong. We will never run out of gasoline. We will explore every inch of Alaska and take all the oil we need. And soon we will have Iraq’s enormous oil reserves as well. So drive your SUV all you want, and if you don’t have one already, buy one. You earned it; you deserve it -- show the world that you’re a man and a Contributor. As I travel through this great country I’d like to be able to drive up every cul-de-sac in every suburb and see at least one new American-made SUV parked in every driveway.

And as you drive through your cities, you may begin to notice a change in some neighborhoods because we are eliminating all forms of public assistance for Parasites – no Medicare, no Medicaid, no AFDC, no workers’ compensation, no Social Security, no unemployment compensation, no legal aid -- nothing. These people don’t deserve a nickel of your tax dollars to help them do what they should be doing for themselves. So as you drive through some areas in your new SUVs you may see more panhandling beggars. Don’t feel guilty if you decide to ignore them. If people want to eat, or if they want to live somewhere besides in a cardboard box under a bridge, they will have to tear themselves away from the Jerry Springer Show and get a job. The Parasites need to take responsibility for their lives, and it is not your fault – our fault – if some of them are hungry, or unemployed, or crippled, or colored, or sick, or uneducated, or pregnant, or stupid, or lazy, or poor. It’s their fault. They could have been more careful. They could have made better choices. But they didn’t.

Nevertheless, for years the liberals tried to blame the problems of the lazy, useless, shiftless poor on you. The government should be doing something for these people, they said. They told you the government should be helping them – using taxes collected from decent people who never have used a single dime of government welfare money.

But why should you help them? Why should you even care? Their problems aren’t your fault!

So if you should happen to see a ragged, pathetic panhandler on a street corner, and he says he wants you to give him some money because he has no job, feel free to say, “I don’t care.”

If you see some fat colored mama with a bunch of dirty kids and no job who wants some of your money because her brats are hungry, just look her right in the eye and say, “I don’t care.”

If you see a legless cripple sitting in the gutter and he asks for some of your money because he was careless at his job and got injured in an industrial accident and can’t work, tell him “I don’t care.”

And what will you tell a fifteen-year-old tramp who’s pregnant because she acted like a tease around her crack-whore mother’s alcoholic boyfriend, and now she’ll have to support a baby because we closed the liberals’ abortion clinics?

I don’t care!

And what will you say to some pathetic old crone who gets evicted from her apartment because we’ve eliminated Social Security and she can’t pay the rent because never had the discipline to buy stock or set up a Roth IRA?

That’s right! I DON’T CARE!

And what will you say to the shiftless, unemployed parents of some kid who was careless enough to get cancer, who can’t pay for chemotherapy because we’ve eliminated Medicaid and they don’t have health insurance?

Yes! I DON’T CARE!

Say it again! I DON’T CARE! I DON’T CARE! I DON’T CARE!

That’s the spirit. You are all true American Contributors.









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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Outstanding
Very powerful.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. I am in awe
This is so chillingly accurate.

Did you write this? If so, I think you should submit it for publication here on the front page and to other sites as well.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #31
38. It was part of a rant that I wrote
over a year ago and didn't do anything with. It just sat there on my computer, then this thread came up; it seemed to fit. In fact, it fits more now than it did last year. God help us if we get another four years.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:29 PM
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41. It is *very* good
I really think you should submit it to DU's home page or Buzzflash so that it can get the attention it deserves.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 01:07 AM
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47. Hear, hear.
I hope you will submit it to DU. It deserves to be seen by more people than those of us in this thread.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:03 AM
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48. Wow. Powerful.
You nailed it.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 04:26 AM
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55. You captured something big
with the phrase "I don't care."

That is really how it works but they are never called on it.

Thanks for posting this - it is very good.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:52 AM
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68. Really excellent, Ocelot!!
Thank you for that! :hi:
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #23
75. LOL!! "The poets whose poems don't even rhyme."
That is a classic line, and oh so Bush.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #23
85. Scary and true
If ony people would recognize just how dangerous it is right now...one party rule.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:15 AM
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89. Good commala Lord.
Holy CHRIST, that's powerful.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:39 AM
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98. Powerful stuff !!!!!!!
As soon as my goosebumps go down, I think I will have a good cry.
Please, may we copy and circulate ? I have some RW friends and family who need to see this.

:bounce:
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 06:01 PM
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108. Be my guest.
It might be a bit over the top, but what I really wanted to emphasize is that they really, really don't care. That's the most despicable aspect of the whole sadoconservative wet dream. They've got theirs and to hell with everybody else. Do feel free to circulate my rant if you liked it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:07 PM
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24. No need to be detailed.
It would be like the ancient Roman Empire and many other empires since then. 95% of the population would live on the edge of starvation to ensure that the other 5% lived a life of sybaritic luxury and decadence.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:08 PM
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27. Hell on earth.
:scared:
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:13 PM
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29. Alabama 1860*
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:17 PM
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32. Goya
no question about it. Grey, tormented faces of the masses. This is an evil group.
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Protected Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:25 PM
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34. It's hard to say
They're so hypcritical about everything, I think the nation would be jolted into some sort of endless outsourcing loop where India and China end up taking over America since they'll own all of our debt.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:29 PM
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35. There could be two scenarios...and two timetables...
the first is one in which an illusion is maintained....

the second is where there is no illusion and no hypocrisy....

The first timetable would be a gradual loss of what we know as our heritage.

The second would be a near overnight coup of rights.

In the first, the rich would have to continue to be served whether in services or in employement. There would be an illusion of employment and an illustion of moving up. Moving up could mean the satisfaction of knowing that family and relatives would not be snatched up and disappear. Living conditions would be entirely dependent on the rich with government tv and government reading materials and bovernment religion.

In the second, we would virtually revert to slavery, but with even more control than any other slavery condition in man's history because of technology and all the consequences of it.

Think of a big thumb - suppressing, sublimating, and controlling us to the point of ignorance, numbness, and disconnect around the world.

Raw questions - since we would have to be policed and lose our ability to communicate with each other - who would do the policing and how would the shut down in inter-communications occur?

It's all computer dependent.

You asked...."Would the American people stand for it?"

They are already standing for a lot - under the slogan of patriotism and the pressure of fear.

When was the last time you heard one of these people speak about PEACE, Prosperity, and Good Will To Man?
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:22 PM
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39. Nazi Germany..if you think Prescott Bush and necons
I really believe that.
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:51 PM
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36. R.U.R. ? n/t
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:30 PM
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42. Huh?
I don't know what that means. :shrug:
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:03 PM
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45. Rossum's Universal Robots
a play by Karel Capek written about 1920. I read it it in 1958, and I was then 10 years old. I was geatly bored and I read a lot of things that were beyond my age, so to speak.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:23 PM
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40. The 50s - with no ethnic people
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:44 AM
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53. It would be nowhere near as good as the '50s.
At least people in the '50s were enjoying the benefits of the New Deal. The right-wing's new version of those "good old days" would reflect the social problems of the time (a turning-back of womens' rights and civil rights) with 1/10th of the prosperity. I would picture it more like Dickens meets the Taliban.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:13 AM
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57. Dickens meets the Taliban
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 06:16 AM by fujiyama
good way to put it. Also cross that with Orwell meeting the other two.

It would be a second gilded age...or maybe like one of those dystopic sci fi future movies.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:39 PM
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43. Vast destruction. Look around you, we're on our way.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 10:46 PM
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44. Stepford
duh
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:06 PM
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46. Back to the Future II
You know, the movie where Biff gets his hands on the future sports almanac and recreates the world in his own twisted, disgusting image.

I always thought this movie presented the most accurate portrayal of Bush America that there has ever been.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:18 AM
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58. I was thinking
maybe something like Blade Runner or Robocop as well (I don't remember if Robocop was set in the future or not)...It would be like the '70s in some ways (lots of urban violence and decay), but much worse.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:14 AM
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49. Crawford Texas!
With lots of hogs!
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:29 AM
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50. A new American Feudalism
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 02:33 AM by DaveSZ
Most of the population would be a band of serfs who live in poverty and slave away for corporations which don't pay them overtime pay or provide them with healthcare.

Then the top two percent would own most of the wealth and power - the DuPonts, the Coors, etc would control everything - just like before FDR.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:42 AM
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62. You got it!
You are talking about Poppy Bush's "New World Order"!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:31 AM
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51. Everyone and every thing dead on Earth.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:01 PM
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107. Yeah, that's what the Shamans said...
...but they said Pachamama would endure....:)

The good news is that this would mean the Neo-cons would be dead too, although I guess this explains why they are looking at Mars?

:think:
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 02:38 AM
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52. In terms of economics the answer is quite simple: Argentina.
Argentina has been called the "poster child" of the "globalization" project (WTO et al) and look what it got them. Their situation is the unavoidable and arguably intented consequence of free-market ideology.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 04:20 AM
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54. EVERYTHING would cost money.
You'd pay to use a park. You'd pay every time the police came. EVERYTHING would be on a per-use basis.

Why should the wealthy subsidize police and fire for the poor? It's just not fair.


Abortion would still be legal and gay marriage would not be banned, because those are dependable red herrings to pander to their dumber, poorer constituents.

There would be two kinds of currency - one for the rich and one for the poor. The one for rich people would come in denominations of $100 and up and would always work.

Demominations under $100 would be scratch-off so you'd never know how much you'd get, if anything!

Conservatism taken to it's logical conclusion would ba an absolute nightmare.
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:57 AM
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56. Mad Max
Need I say more?
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jdonaldball Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 06:45 AM
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59. Auschwitz
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 07:06 AM
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60. What they'd tell is it would be, or what it would really be?
They'd say we'd all be rich if we worked at it and we'd be prosperous. :eyes:

In reality? Corporate monopolies for every avenue of business; and from foreign outsourcing, they drive down the quality of life for the rest of us. Few CEOs would be rich and the rest of us would be virtual slaves; working 2 jobs PER PERSON in order to afford our rudimentary needs. (assuming they don't eliminate the 'minimum wage', of course, minimum wage is $5.15 and a proper liveable wage for one individual is something like $12/hr.) For a family of 4 (two parents, two offspring), each parent could conceiveably work MORE then two jobs EACH.

Assuming the jobs still exist. They will want people to kill themselves in misery to escape poverty and because peak oil will mean these menials are taking up their food supplies...
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:55 AM
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64. "Republican utopia" is oxymoronic
• "Republican utopia" is oxymoronic
• Rush Limbaugh is an OxyContin-addicted moron
• George Bush Jr. isn't so much moronic as he is a dry drunk
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:05 AM
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65. Didn't Dante write the neocons utopia?
BURN! or something, no wait that was the neo-con utopia movie by Gillo Pontecorvo, anyways it had to do with lots of fire or something ;)
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:25 AM
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66. Jim Jones' Jonestown
with the same finale - a wonderful koolaid drinking party.
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jonnyo Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:37 AM
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67. A hybred of North Korea, Nazi Germany and Jeffery Dahmer's Apartment
That's a GOP Utopia. Militant, brutal, sadistic, homo erotic, violent, genocidal behavior filled with self worship, self serving religious hyposcrisy, self destructive denial, and a complete theft of everything not nailed down for the exclusive use of the very few.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:56 AM
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69. 1785 France, or perhaps 1890s America without the freedom/ Bill of Rights
(and of course, with the Nazi-style lie laundering and media we have all come to know and love, but that WITHOUT A CHOICE)

They still have a long way to go, but the transitions will speed up if Bunnypants steals his way to power again.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:59 AM
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70. dont you mean dystopia? I890s on steroids.
William Jennings Byran fundamentalism combined with William McKinley laissez faire.

But with the "big lie" media machine, which they didnt have back then.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:04 AM
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71. Semantics. A Dystopia by any other name would reek just as foul
Yes, I suspect there will be MANY aspects of the various Virtual Enslavement Technologies of propaganda, lie-launderinging, mindfucking, etc. to the Brave New World.

Soma, anyone?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:04 AM
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72. GOP utopia
Church attendance would be mandatory for everyone. An amendment for segregation would be added to the constitution. Wives would be required to be homemakers and not allowed to work. Polarization between rich and poor would reach a level this nation has never seen; there would be no more middle class. Government surveillance would be everywhere (think Orwell), and everyone would be required to spy on neighbors and report all suspicious activity such as criticism of government. Everyone who isn't supportive of government is imprisoned.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:06 AM
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73. it would be like the weird town in "A Boy and His Dog"
But with a perpetual Cromwellian Inquisition going on for all those who dispute the faux-puritan corporate groupthink.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:59 AM
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87. That is exactly the image I had, too.
In fact, I came on this thread just to see if anyone had posted about "A Boy and His Dog"

A truly "bad" movie in many respects, it was terrifyingly prescient.

An EXCELENT film from around the same time is "Network" -- which I highly recommend to the younger generation if you haven't seen it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:37 AM
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77. Theocracy.
Plain and simple.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:50 PM
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78. I like the cartoon in your sig line
It's great how some say so much in so few words.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:01 AM
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79. Ever see the movie Metropolis?
something like that.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:10 AM
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82. "Auschwitz"
We do know that BUsh's grandfather helped finance the nazis.

The apple doesn't seem to fall too far from the tree.

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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:06 AM
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80. I think Margaret Atwood covered this in Handmaidens Tale.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:09 AM
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81. The year 1994:
From out of space comes a runaway
planet, hurtling between the Earth and the Moon,
unleashing cosmic destruction. Man's civilization is
cast in ruin.

Two thousand years later, Earth is reborn...

A strange new world rises from the old: a world of
savagery, super science, and sorcery. But one man
bursts his bonds to fight for justice! With his companions
Ookla the Mok and Princess Ariel, he pits his strength,
his courage, and his fabulous Sunsword against the
forces of evil.

He is Thundarr, the Barbarian!
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:15 AM
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83.  a lot like the cover of Yertle the Turtle
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:23 AM
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84. You Might Consider The Following As Short, Admittedly Flip Reply
Never Forget The Face Of American Facsism
'THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HAPPENS AT THE SKULL & BONES INITIATION...I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING A GOOD TIME. THESE PEOPLE -- YOU EVER HEARD OF EMOTIONAL RELEASE? YOU EVER HEARD OF NEEDING TO BLOW SOME STEAM OFF?'
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 12:49 AM
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86. 2 Americas
The chasm between the haves and have-nots would be insurmountable as the middle class would virtually disappear.

Theocracy would be imposed upon the impoverished majority. Abortion would be illegal, as would homosexuality and all other forms of sex outside of man/woman missionary. Birth control would be unavailable and women would be forced to relinquish unwanted babies to faith-based orphanages. Working classes would pay exhorbitant taxes, to be used to enrich military coffers. The military would also be the main industry of the U.S., since all manufacturing and most service industries will have been sent overseas. All young men would be drafted into military service to carry out unilateral military campaigns all over the world.

For the right-wing elite minority, things would improve. They would become wealthier and live in gated mansions far, far, away from the unwashed masses. White, wealthy males would hold all positions of power. Abortion would be available for their wives,daughters, and mistresses. Hypocrisy would prevail as none of the strict religious rules prescribed upon the common people "for their own good" would apply to the elite, as usual.

There would be no more national parks or wildlife preserves. All land would be available for plundering for material needed to carry out the Right's Holy Crusades.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:03 AM
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88. The Antebellum South with Fox News available
that pretty much sums it up
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 01:50 AM
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90. It would look like the country club area of anyplace in the US
in 1958 :(
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:09 AM
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91. Terminator Four
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 03:24 AM
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92. Shadowrun
You'd either have to have a corp backing you as a citizen, or work the shadows.

Tucker
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Kickin_Donkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:17 AM
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93. Apartheid South Africa.
Within this utopia, the Republican (Afrikaner) enclaves would look like the "idyllic" middle-class white side of southern U.S. towns and cities in the 1950s: not a brown face in sight, except walking in the back doors to clean the homes; white picket fences and leafy yards and cookie-cutter houses; only rosey-cheeked, tow-headed boys playing football and baseball (pre-Jackie Robinson variety, of course; girls in skirts, sweaters, and mary janes, training to be housewives; the evangelical, fundamentalist Christian churches (like the Dutch Reformed Church in South Africa) ensuring a constipated moral order while theologically buttressing the politcal/social/economic system of neo-conservatism (Apartheid). An advanced propaganda apparatus to brainwash the Republicans (Afrikaners) and shield them from the reality of their country. A huge police, spy, and military establishment to put down internal dissent, expatriate opposition individuals and organizations, brown (minority and lower-class) rebellions outside the Republican enclaves, and perceived threats by foreign armies, whether they be from brown countries or do-gooder white states like Western Europe and Canada.

Outside the gates of the coddled, insulated, idyllic Republican enclaves would be a combination of the Third World and parts of post-Soviet Eastern Europe and all that entails: impoverished masses, absence of the rule of law; shantytowns; high crime; an almost nonexistent physical or governmental infrastructure; brown people but also lumpen whites; rule by warlords or crime syndicates; a polluted landscape, corruption as the rule.

Basically, the logical conclusion of Republican dreams would be a Third World country – something that they absolutely fear. What's that saying about being careful what you wish for?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 04:23 AM
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94. Credit card implants in bottom 95%, charging us for water & air nt
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:10 AM
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95. I can give you an example of a placeright now:
Kabul.

think about it.

1:It is pure capitalism, no regulations at all, no government to interfere in people's live.

2:education and access are determined purely by your ability to get them.

3: there are no taxes.

4: the city is ruled by religious factions.

5: everyone has a gun.

the place is a neo-con disney land.
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:34 AM
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96. Read "The Fifth Sacred Thing" by Starhawk.
I had to read it again because I fear we are headed toward disaster.

The fundamentalists took over the government and closed the borders. They control the water, the medicine, and choose your work for you. Those who do not obey go to jail or die. Child prostitution of blonde haired blued eyed children is rampant, for the rich.

Only a group in the San Francisco valley had an uprising; tearing up the streets to plant gardens, and creating a utopia where all religions get along, although the book is mainly about witches.

Truly chilling scenario.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:38 AM
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97. endless supply of resources and free labor
which doesn't exist, so any Republican utopia would self-destruct sooner rather then later.
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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:45 AM
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99. The British Empire. early 1700's.
The sun never sets on the Amerikan Empire...
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:49 AM
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100. I'd love to find out.
Edited on Mon Jul-19-04 10:50 AM by bushwentawol
Why don't we let one or two of the states join in such a venture? After all, if the "Free Market" is such a good thing, this Utopian society should be going like gangbusters in no time, competing with the rest of the country burdened by all those pesky regulations.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:58 AM
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101. An Iran-like theocracy
With a Russian-style no-holds-barred capitalist economy. Gated communities everywhere with military protection for those few wealthy company owners living inside them.

A return of the depression-era hobo cultures, shantytowns on the outskirts of cities.

A Taliban modeled social control mechanism with death penalty for anyone performing abortions. "Biblical" interpretations of laws. Incarceration for minor offences, swearing, blasphemeing, etc.

A severely weakened defense structure (no income taxes, right? All funds to be recovered from punishing import tariffs and user-pay goverment seervices).

I don't even want to think about any more.



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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:01 AM
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102. The dark ages...
With better medicine... for the rich, anyway.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:11 AM
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103. Watch "8 Mile"/visit Detroit and it's suburbs
White people with money live in nice suburban "248" enclaves. Poor people of both races live in "313" and trailer parks. The rich people never have to drive by the neighborhoods where the poor live-you can drive from Birmingham to Comerica Park or Joe Louis Arena and never drive through a neighborhood, thanks to 1-75.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:29 AM
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104. "1984"
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:49 AM
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105. Pollution
Lots of it. Most cities will look like Houston.

Except for the golf courses. Lots of those too. In drought-stricken areas.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 11:57 AM
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106. Lots of white people.
Upper middle class homes. Big cars. Perfectly coiffed wives, and lots of hookers nearby. Oh.. and golf courses.
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