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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:36 PM Original message |
Marginalizing your base is the wrong approach. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. In a word.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Ok. Yawn then. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. I'm just getting a bit tired of all the internecine warfare.... |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. I agree with you. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Thanks. This board assumes the support of those 4 groups. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Actually, Louis Farrakan said that a few months back.... |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. I didn't know about Farrakhan |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Yes, it's being said more and more |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #39 |
101. You don't have questions or constructive criticisms |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
79. I would be surprised if Calypso Louis has ever voted Democrat... |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. How do you know that? Got anything to back it up with? |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
66. Then you could have read post # 33. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
80. And you can read post #79 |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I wonder if you'll 'yawn'... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. See posts 4 and 6 |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. And all the negativity from the "more liberal than thou" types helps? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I grow weary of people who act like I don't belong in the party. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Oh for god's sake! 99% of us here opposed the war and still do. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You are saying I am a "more liberal than thou" type." |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. "I am being deemed as unimportant to the party now" |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. And you know what? If they said EXACTLY what you wanted them to say. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. Thank you. All that whining has been turning voters off to Dems.. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. If that happens it will because of whiney so called Dems... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Well, it would be easier if we had a chief then. Right? |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
94. As in whiney African Americans? Whiney Native Americans? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. I agree, except for Nader. He's a Republican. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. yeah right |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. The base? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Right, I should have said "assumed base". Good catch. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I'm not sure 'assumed' fixes your premise |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Not sure of your point. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. "it is not wise to make fun of those who opposed the war" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Will Pitt, you know what I mean. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I'm not trying to start a beef with you, mf |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. but you've just dismissed them as being too fey to merit... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I am anti war and anti corporation |
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Mandate My Ass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Same here |
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Tomee450 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. I agree |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. right |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
72. I read this a third time. I think I agree on their being undependable. |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
84. Excuse me. I am part of that Anti-War Leftist base. |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. Vote for Bush! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
64. Bullshit. Absolute Bullshit. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Thanks, you got the point. Well said. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
15. I am voting for Kerry!! Do not misread my post. This is what I meant. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I guess in part the deluge of "I am voting for Kerry with my nose held"... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I will not be holding my nose. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
16. Thanks for saying this, |
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Q3JR4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. What really bothers me is the |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
23. Yes, it is. |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. I am convinced of the following: |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
86. Sure. You and I are pretty much in agreement. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
29. You're seeing the Party in it's death-throes |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. That is complete bullshit |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. Thank you for your well-reasoned response |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Excuse me, |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You're excused |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #46 |
65. When are you going to articulate your point? |
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salonghorn70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
92. The Party Is Dying? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
35. Bush ran as a compassionate conservative. . . |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Running to the center: also known as: lying your ass off... |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Sadly this is not the time for moral purity - if we don't win we are |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:30 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. Well |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. That's an excellent point, and one so obvious that it shouldn't |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. Did you buy that "compassionate conservative" crap??? |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #77 |
106. Of course not! I kwew all about W! So now I am wondering why some |
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Northwind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
40. What base? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Gotcha. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Do you see me as a gay person saying the party is marginalizing me? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I call baloney on that. I mentioned the 4 groups who assumed as base. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. No. Merely an object lesson in how easy it is to claim marginalization. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That is a convoluted argument. |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. You have every right to criticise and speak up. |
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Malva Zebrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. guess the base is the Republicans then eom |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think you have created a straw man here. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Middle of road, moderates(that's me), undecideds, and Repugs. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
50. Um, Nader is not our base. Our base is much bigger than 2%. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I am working hard as well. I do not have a bruised ego. Did it again. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's also bad for the base to force the party to alienate people in the... |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
63. Let me add a few groups to your "base" |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
69. Just who is marginalizing the base? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Your post just made my whole point. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. So the mere fact that Dembones disagrees with you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You know, count the times I said I would vote for Kerry. |
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Rowdyboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I believe you are voting for Kerry...So am I and my partner and |
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Liberal Veteran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. No, you are wrong. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. If all it takes to make you feel margarinized is |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Ding ding. Another one. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. What was so thoughtful about it? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:24 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. That is what I mean. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:08 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Is it fun playing the martyr? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Did you read how many times I said I would vote for Kerry? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. If you're "used to it," |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Some would say an obtuse attack using right wing talking points. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:26 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. No, the tedious little song and dance |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. "tedious little song and dance" implies my views are not important. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Yes, you did begin your thread with an attack, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Do your own "tedious song and dance." I had my say. |
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Sugarbleus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
71. In the very near future, for the betterment of America... |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
95. Yeah, we need at least one SANE one |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. One that represents PEOPLE |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:18 AM Response to Reply #71 |
100. But as long as TWO are on the left and ONE major one is on the right |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
99. You and I have always found some common ground on which to communicate |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 12:30 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I can go along with most of that. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 01:18 AM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I find no bone of contention with that and agree |
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