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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:14 PM Original message |
Scott Ritter and the need to threaten force for Iraq weapons inspections |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. but the "threat of force" justification is based upon the premise... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm not sure about this |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. nonetheless, no such "threat of force" was necessary in 2002.... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. "truthfully told" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Taking liberties with dates???? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. where are the weapons...? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Because he lied all the time |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. we already had a very credible "threat of force" in place.... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:45 PM Original message |
Maybe Clinton blew them up |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
33. well, someone certainly did, which is why no such threat was... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. How were we supposed to know???? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. does "not knowing" justify an illegal war? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Not knowing definitely DOES NOT justify an illegal war |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Bush already had the threat of force |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. unfortunately, the senate gave Bush a pass for WAR, not... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. And Bush could bomb any part of the country he wished |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Really? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Is that just what Kerry wanted? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. That's his speech before the vote |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. He could have made a speech saying Bush owe's him a golden toilet |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Threat from hungry Iraqi's? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. It justifies INSPECTIONS |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. But Hussein had agreed BEFORE the IWR to allow inspectors to return. |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Correct |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. sorry, I think you're being an apologist for the IWR supporters.... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I think you're giving the Hussein regime too much credit for honesty |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. uh...? History gives him that credit, not I.... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:47 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. If Hussein was dishonest about the WMD's, he sure hid them well... |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Because the Bush admin had made it clear that inspections were not... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. Right-o |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
107. oh so now the jsutification changes |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. to get sanctions lifted |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Oh for the love of god |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. So my timeline is correct |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. but you're ignoring the essential truth that Iraq HAD ALREADY... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. When??? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. all of the evidence so far suggests that the WMDs... |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. "so far" |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. yes, but the past premise upon which the IWR was founded... |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. It's very simple |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. When was the threat of force ever removed from Saddam? |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. No, we had those since 1991 |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Yes, they were... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. 100% IRRELEVANT |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. does the truth matter to you at all? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Wow, I don't get you at all |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Powell and Rice were pushing for smart sanctions |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Still needed inspections |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. We always had the threat of force |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. And keep sanctions forever? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I'm not mike_c |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Not without inspections |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
106. And we didn't need to threaten Saddam with invasion to get inspections |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. yes, I was prepared to lift sanctions well before 2002.... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Deleted message |
mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. and I hate freedom, too.... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:42 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. *sigh* |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Read my post above - Iraq agreed 1 oct - Senate voted 11 oct. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Oh bullshit |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. So, do you thank god that the right is in control of the country? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Dennis |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. gotta link? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. LOL |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. you think this is FUNNY? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:05 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. some of mine are |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. what about U? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Security, elections, reconstruction. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
72. Dennis knew what was going on. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. The plan??? |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. we pulled them out, hello... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Back to inspections |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. whatever |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:21 AM Response to Reply #79 |
114. Bollocks - more right wing lies. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. He was trying to effing tell Congress the truth!!! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:58 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. A President needs to have a plan |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. The plan, in simple English: |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. And furthermore, Kucinich stated that he knew that Iraq was not an |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:16 AM Response to Reply #55 |
113. The UN had ALREADY worked out how to do it on October 1st... |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. the neoCONs PLAYED the CARTOON WORLD VIEW to the hilt on this |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-20-04 12:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
112. No, YOU are talking bullshit... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
9. I suppose most of our leaders knew that to get rid of Saddam, we |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
43. Who made the US middle-eastern King Maker? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bush always had the threat of force |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. Didn't I read something a while ago that stated that Iraq was.... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. No you didn't |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Not 1995 |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. When? |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. True |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. Ritter never unequivocally said 'there are no weapons' |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Here we go |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
77. since no one has responded to this, here's a tidbit... |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. thanks - n/t |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #77 |
89. 6 months |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. well, it seems that he'd changed his mind by 2000.... |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
96. Ah, you may think this looks bad for Kerry, but it skewers bush*: |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. it skewers the whole lot of incompetants and fools who... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. It looks bad for both |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. one of the things that I find interesting is that Kennedy voted... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
76. Can you highlight the portion where he claims this? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
83. Well, we sure do know - and did know |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. a passage from a book that is relevant |
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nomaco-10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. For those who still support the candidates that voted for the IWR..... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. well said! |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
92. Bush's bluff |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
93. Yeah. Right. No defense for Senator's voting for war powers for Bush |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Without war powers, the threat have been severely weakened |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. but the fact remains that any further threat was unnecessary.... |
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many a good man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. When did SH agree to resume inspections? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. october 1, 2002 |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
102. But, the problem with IWR was on this side of the Atlantic |
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demgrrrll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. You know this whole thing is beginning to remind me of the final scene |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
108. Oh, C'mon with this farce |
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F.Gordon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
109. I'm way late to this dance |
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F.Gordon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Another question |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
110. Isn't this thread pretty stupid? |
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