Anyone who used to like Gov. Groper's movies who won't watch them now?

[floridaguy]

I have to say I did like terminator and the Kindergarten Cop and the one with Danny Devito, but I have pledged to never watch, rent, or buy another "Ahnold" movie. I can't enjoy them anymore, because I just look at him and want to barf :puke:

Any comments from the Calfornia contingent?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. I boycott ALL Conservative Artists!

[theivoryqueen]

2. same as above - if I am aware that an "artist" is a fascist, no go.

I don't call them conservatives anymore, either.

[jdj]

3. Not an Arnold fan, but no more Mel Gibson for me.

Just heard Lorrie Morgan say on Larry King that she would sing at the 2004 puke convention,so I'll be turning the dial off on her.

No Bo Dereck, No Ted Nugent, No Kid Rock, No Shannen Doherty...

Anyone out there know anymore pukes not to support, I'd be grateful. Anyone who supports this war and this president is beneath contempt.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

7. Kelsey Grammer, Bruce Willis, Drew Carey, and....

most of Nashville.

[jdj]

8. And Branson Missouri as well. n/t

[doodleysquat]

14. James Woods

But he's pretty much a has-been now anyway.

[newyawker99]

33. Hi doodleysquat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[neebob]

25. Kid Rock is a Bushist?

As if I needed another reason to loathe him. Is there a bigger greaseball on the planet? Other than Ted Nugent, I mean.

There's a funny line in Ocean's Eleven, which I only just saw yesterday on TNT. George Clooney gets out of prison, and Brad Pitt is waiting for him. Referring to the tuxedo Clooney is wearing, Pitt says, "I hope you were the groom."

Clooney replies, "Ted Nugent called - he wants your shirt back." That made me laugh out loud, even though it bugged me that he said your shirt instead of his shirt.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. It's absurd

That's way too much energy to put into such a low-yield form of activism. Besides, a significant number of "conservative" entertainers aren't that conservative; and some liberals aren't all that liberal.

And most movies are collaborative efforts of hundreds of people. At least a few of them are going to be conservative.

There are even some right-wingers I've come to respect, like Wayne Newton, who has been a major supporter of the USO for years, and who was instrumental in bringing such lefties on board as Al Franken and Robin Williams.

Save your effort for activism that can really make a difference. There are plenty ways to strike more painful blows to the empire.

--bkl

[PROGRESSIVE1]

6. Wayne Newton is a hard core Bush supporter and a FReeper....

style nationalist.

:puke:

[jdj]

9. I can't support these people, and I don't consider it

"activism". I don't want that little man sitting on my shoulder at night keeping me awake taunting me about how I supported a fascist entertainer.

[floridaguy]

10. Hey BKL, I just said I didn't enjoy the movies anymore, so I didn't watch

I was more curious if others might have had similar thoughts. The post was more lighthearted curiosity, as opposed to deep thought about the more important battle against the evil empire:think:

[Dogmudgeon]

12. That's a good point, but ...

... people get very emotional about the political affiliations of entertainers. And it can be a heavy load to carry, to let it ruin one's appreciation for a movie or an actor.

I think it's a waste of time because their political persuasions are almost completely irrelevant. And most of them are like most of us -- they can't be easily pigeonholed.

People will do what they feel they can, and must, and if part of that is to avoid Schwartzenegger's movies or Toby Keith's music, so be it. It's a gesture, and gestures themselves have personal meaning, even if they are not very effective politics. My main point is that it takes much too much energy to be worth it -- for me, at least.

I watched The 4400 last week, and there was a large sub-plot involving the character played by Michael Moriarty. Well, MM is a September 11th convert to the Church of Bush. But he still did a good job and I enjoyed the movie overall. The shadow of evil that is George Bush has already sucked enough of the joy out of our lives -- why let him ruin a perfectly good movie?

Boycotts work well, but they work best when the target is well-defined; say, boycotting renting movies with Ahnold (and Ahnold alone) until he signs the California budget or comes clean about the sexual misbehavior in his past.

We also have too much of a habit of absolutizing our "enemies". Bo Derek, for instance, calls herself a conservative, and is a poster girl for the NRA. However, it's worth noting that she's also been active in feminist circles. Bo is as staunchly pro-choice as she is pro-gun. When she signs her checks, they don't bounce. So it isn't all that easy to say who is a devil and who is an angel.

Wayne Newton may be ideologically strongly conservative, but he's in no way a Freeper -- otherwise, he would have savaged Robin Williams and Al Franken. And Williams -- who is a friend of Noam Chomsky's and has promoted his political ideas for years -- has been working with the USO since the mid-1980s at least. I suspect that Wayne Newton, like Pat Buchanan, is a "paleoconservative," who, unlike neo-cons, do not think liberals are automatically anti-American.

We lose too much by defining other people as our enemies. There are actually very few people who deserve to be placed in the same circle of hell as Team Bush -- and soon enough, most of them will want to "come back home" to a progressive vision for America.

--bkl

[StandUpGuy]

26. Low yield activism...

I would be very interested in participating in a thread discussing this exact issue.

IMHO The Whoopie incident this past week was the latest example of motivated, talented, and well intentioned people spending several days collectively banging there heads against the wall writing letters to Unilever.

Consumer activism has been under attack ever since it became a threat.

I suggested people photo copy their rants and put them on the shelves of super markets that sell their products.

While not 'the' answer I think its much more effective than trying to persuade Fascists with letters I know they pay people to throw away.

I would love to get into a discussion about ways we can refine traditional consumer activism to fight a corporate elite that has through mergers and investment fund managers, eliminated one of the cornerstones of traditional activism, true competition.

[jukes]

31. not necessarily activism

he's just repulsive, and never had any talent.

i regret bruce willis, who has done some fine work, and gary oldman who is close to deniro in ability.

but i just can't stand to see them anymore, not even on "free" cable. they're elitism just sickens me and ruins the effect of their performances.

[gumby]

5. Charlton Heston

is a no-go for me.

Others, like Gropenator, Willis and others, I still have some screen tolerance for.

[Itchinjim]

11. Not a big fan of Bruce's politics but,

Did you happen to see his latest piece of crap "The Whole Ten Yards"? It made me want to poke my eyes out with a screw driver. I don't think I'll ever watch another of Bruce's movies again because of that cinematic train wreck.

[mitchum]

13. He could be to the left of the late Paul Wellstone...

and I still wouldn't watch any of his movies. Life is too short for watching bad Hollywood product.

[Cat Atomic]

15. Let's not become freepers.

If you like their work, you like their work. Why not separate their creative work from their politics?

I love alot of Mel Gibson's movies, but I don't care for his politics. I also don't care ABOUT his politics. He makes good movies. Same with Schwarzeneggar.

[kiahzero]

16. Thank you

I hate how people will bitch about how horrible it was that Slim-Fast fired Goldberg for her comments, but then engage in the same exact behavior.

People should have the ability to make a living, independant of their political ideology.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

19. We're not big corporations. (nt)

[neebob]

22. Mel Gibson

He never did much for me, but I began to dislike him after I saw him on Leno or Letterman with a stuffed rooster someone had given him, saying, "My cock is bigger than your cock." I suppose a lot of people thought that was funny, but I didn't. I just thought what an idiot.

He could donate his entire fortune and devote his life to getting Democrats elected, and I'd probably still think he was a jerk.

[jukes]

32. gibson *always*

makes a point of his politics in his film. in the 1st of the "lethal weapons" films, he made a painful point about his personal disgust w/lesbians.

he's @ best a mediocre talent, has delusions of grandeur (worst hamlet ever; worse than the MST3K german farce of hamlet) & is becoming more political(ly incorrect) in each additional film.

if he hadn't got his ass kicked, & his nose broken, in that aussie bar fight, he probably wdnt have a career other than oz-soaps.

[livinginphotographs]

47. And Danny Glover's character in LW1

had an "End Apartheid Now" bumper sticker on the refridgerator in his kitchen.

Can't argue with you about acting skill; but for action movie fans, he's watchable.

[neebob]

17. I used to like Arnold and look forward to his movies

simply because he was in them, knowing he was a Republican. But since he ran for governor and I really took a look at his personality and realized the depth of his egomania, I can't stand the sight of him. Suddenly, he's despicable and scary. It didn't help that Orrin Hatch suggested amending the Constitution so he could run for President.

I'm sure there are Republican stars I like who, if I learned more about their personalities, I would begin to dislike them - but it probably wouldn't stop me from enjoying their movies unless they ran for bigtime political office. Bruce Willis comes to mind.

Clint Eastwood is someone I continue to like in spite of his politics, but then he seems reasonable and is not likely to run for president.

Lately I find myself preferring entertainers who make their political views known and those views are like mine. It's harder for me to appreciate the work of someone I know is stupid and irresponsible. There's too much at stake.

I'm so glad I don't like country music.

[OKNancy]

41. I don't think Eastwood has "bad politics" at all

It could be worse.
I remember reading something about him and his idea.....I did a google and found this:

His only political conribution on Newsmeat is to a Democrat.

Eastwood, Clint
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Malpaso Productions/Actor/Director/ FARR, SAM (D)
House (CA 17)
FRIENDS OF FARR $1000 05/13/02


Clint Eastwood on politics
USA Weekend asked:

So, socially, you're live-and-let-live. How about politically?

Clint said:

"I suppose. I don't see myself as conservative, but I'm not ultra-leftist. You build a philosophy of your own. I like the libertarian view, which is to leave everyone alone. Even as a kid, I was annoyed by people who wanted to tell everyone how to live. "

I like that guy more and more every day.

Posted by sean at January 28, 2004 09:25 AM

Comments
There's an interview with Clint in Men's Journal (I think) and he mentions his politics there also. I just came away liking the man even more than I already did, as he comes off as someone progressive in the heart, yet with an attitude of non-interference and willing to speak his mind when things swing too far one way or another. Its too bad we don't have enough straight shooters like him in politics.

http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/000330.php

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. Will watch if it comes up on TV. Won't shell out money, tho'.

That's why I haven't seen T3. Wait till it comes up on cable.

[ButterflyBlood]

20. it's weird, but i have totally seperated Arnold's two sides

to me Arnold the movie star and Arnold the politician are like two different people. I'm a big fan of the movie star. I hate the politician. I usually can't do it that easily, making me wonder if maybe it's because the idea of him as governor is so ridiculous to begin with.

[tom_paine]

21. For the most part, I have given them up. Some are just too good

But the reaction I get from seeing his Imperial lying groping face is quite a deterrent.

[xxqqqzme]

23. have only seen the 1st terminator

steroid boy wasn't and isn't my taste in movies. I have noticeD there is @ least one playing @ almost anytime I check the onscreen guide. HBO had was playing 'days end' or 'end of days', some horror flick w/ steroid boy, this weekend. Darn, I think I missed it!

[Cleita]

24. Triple barf.

****

[fujiyama]

27. He's a moron

for sure, however I don't think their politics really matters to me when I want to be entertained.

I still think T-2 was a fun action movie and T-3 was a decent follow up.

It'll be strange for him to go back to Hollywood now anyway and work on movies the same way after serving as governor. If the movie looks interesting I might see it, otherwise I'll ditch it.

For example, one movie I like a lot is Pulp Fiction, which has Bruce Willis in it. Willis, as we know, is a conservative. However, when I'm watching the movie I know fully well that Samuel L Jackson is a liberal and Tarentino is good friends with Michael Moore. I don't know about Travolta's politics, but I don't think he's a RWinger.

Most movies that come out will feature at least a few liberals (if not a majority), so I wouldn't really care about one actor or actress's politics.

Granted, many conservative actors aren't very good in the first place, so I probably wouldn't like their movies anyways. However, some great films feature a conservative or two. The Godfather (parts I and II) have Robert Duvall in them. He's supposed to be a RWer, but in the movies he's Tom Hagen, and he does a good job. Likewise, I still like Planet of the Apes, even if Heston is in it.

[Borgnine]

28. Not really.

I can seperate him from the film. I love "Terminator 2," and just because the star of the film happens to be the (hah!) Republican governor of California doesn't mean I should boycott the rest of the cast and crew by never watching it again.

Furthermore, I won't stop watching Cheers because Shelley Long or Kelsey Grammer support Bush. After all, their characters are both liberal, and then you have Ted Danson, who's a real life Democrat.

Now, I could never listen to Toby Keith, but that's because the "art" he puts out IS conservative propaganda, and not my taste of music to begin with. However, if there is an enjoyable musician who happens to be conservative but produces songs that have nothing to do with politics, then I'll listen.

Then again, if Chimpy McCokeSpoon ever starred in a cinematic version of "My Pet Goat," there's no chance in Hell I could ever watch it.

[Tight_rope]

29. I never did like him nor did I or have I invested in them...On watched

them when they were shown for free. Now I don't watch them at all.

[jukes]

30. his films

rank slightly below reagon's or heston's. ok before, on a slow sunday, but i can't stand to even look @ a movie poster now.

[bullimiami]

34. I will not watch John Wayne

Dirty McCarthy collaberator. Nor Ronald Reagan, rank anti union collaberator. And no Arnold now either.

[porphyrian]

35. See "Red Sonja!"

Don't like Arnold? See him in look stupid in an incredibly bad movie! See what happened when Conan the Barbarian actually made money! See how little they spent on Red Sonja! Thrill at the worst romantic scenes ever! Sit confused as you try to decipher what the fuck Arnold and Brigitte Nielsen are saying! Remember why you don't stay up to 3 AM to see movies like this after graduating Middle School!

[terrya]

36. I didn't like any of his movies, so it's not a problem.

Moronic crap, all of them.

[Commendatori]

37. The only movie of his I ever really liked was "True Lies."

I don't let politics interfere with my viewing; if I were an Arnold fan I wouldn't be shy about owning any and all of his DVDs. For me, politics and entertainment are separate; an entertainer can have whatever political stance he or she wants as long as he keeps me entertained; unfortunately Arnold just isn't that entertaining.

Yes, I may be in the minority on this, but when I turn on a movie I want politics out of my head.

[devinsgram]

38. He can't act his way out of a paper bag.

His movies are :puke: :puke: and so stupid.

[Butterflies]

39. I can't stand to see or hear him anymore

It's not hard for me to avoid his movies now. He's a pretend-macho idiot.

[shirlden]

40. Never watched him

He always looked like a slime ball with bad breath. I always wondered how his wife could even stand to have him touch her.
UHG!!!

:puke:

[Bridget Burke]

42. I didn't like him much in the first place.

So I'll probably avoid his movies from now on. This is not so much a principled, political stand as a matter of personal taste.

Hearing far-right hatefulness personally from an entertainer would turn me off. Rumors that they'd contributed to Republicans, or performed for a Republican president wouldn't necessarily be enough.

For example, I've heard Robert Duval is a Republican. But I'd buy the DVD of Lonesome Dove in a minute--if they'd release the unabridged version.

[giant_robot]

43. I've gone lukewarm on his movies...

...not because of his politics, but because he has become a tired caricature of himself. I think I've had enough of the "Ahh-nold" schtick for a lifetime.

[Lerkfish]

44. I don't boycott art

of course, whether some ahrnold movies could be considered art is another question. :)

but seriously, I separate my viewing pleasure/activity from my politics. ....its a MOVIE.
I think the repugs weild the boycott arbitrarily and excessively, and I have no desire to follow suit.

[Misinformed01]

45. I have always known that the man was a mysoginist

dumbass.

Couldn't believe Californians voted for this fool. (sorry NSMA, I know that killed you)

His movies are pretty meaningless to me; always have been.

[livinginphotographs]

46. I still watch them.

I personally love Arnold's movies, even though I think he's a complete moron. I saw "Pumping Iron" when I was younger, so I've always known he was an egotistical piece of shit. But I'm a big action-movie fan, so of course I'm still going to like his films.

Same with Mel Gibson - I hated the follow-up Lethal Weapons, but LW1, Payback, etc. were pretty badass movies. Passion of the Christ is not really my kind of thing, though, so I'll probably skip that one.

I just can't get that worked up about my entertainment. Those guys get paid even if I don't buy their movies, and I'm not really into blacklisting actors just because of their opinions. We don't like it when they do that to us....

[Lindacooks]

48. Never have seen an Ah-nold movie,

never will.

[Tracer]

49. I've never seen an Aaahnold movie either ...

... and don't plan to.

I used to enjoy WOODY ALLEN movies Ñ but refuse to watch them anymore, ever since he married his daughter.

[noahmijo]

50. I'll never stop watching Predator or the Terminator movies

not happening sorry. I already own them anyway so it's not like I'm hurting Arnold by not watching some of the fantastic films he's done.

[OnionPatch]

51. Same here

Can't stomach watching the gropinator anymore even though I enjoyed a few of his old movies.

Watching Arnold just reminds me of how hypocritical the right is; They berate Hollywood and slam actors as know-nothings until they need a little celebrity boost for one of their elections. Then it's time to look around for the nearest Hollywood GOP.