This preoccupation with homosexuality by right wingers is weird.

[terrya]

I saw this at David Brock's Media Matters. Apparently Rush Limbaugh has joined Dennis Miller in mocking "gay tendencies" by John Kerry and John Edwards. I find it rather odd that alleged straight men spend time thinking about this kind of stuff.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200407190005

[Don_G]

1. I Think This Scares Them More

[xocolatl]

7. OMG: Anne Coulter is really W in drag!!!! (eom)

[baldguy]

23. Actualy, he's better looking than Anne Coulter.

[kikiek]

25. Reminds me of Jamie Lee Curtis. and I like her....

Rush and Dennis sound like schoolyard kids. We wonder why we have problems with bullying in schools. Don't need to look any further than what is seen and heard on many radios and tv's in the US.

[mrboba1]

27. Yes -

I thought of Jamie Lee Curtis too.
That was very spooky.

Please don't do that again!!

[PDX Bara]

30. Jamie Lee

I thought I read somewhere that Jamie Lee is a Republican...is she?

[kikiek]

31. I haven't heard that, but I think she supported Arnold in him run.

Which sucked everyway you looked at it.

[sniffa]

2. weLL they're hot

how can you expect them not to be dweLLing on the naught visions of john and john?

[Dookus]

3. Don't worry about it...

it's the last gasp of desperate people.

[freetobegay]

4. Let the truth be known!

"If you want my body and you think I'm sexy
come on sugar let me know.
If you really need me just reach out and touch me
come on honey tell me so.
Tell me so, baby."

They just can't admit it.

[rfranklin]

5. Well, Dennis looks like a dyke on hormones, and Rush has a past...

in the meat markets of Pittsburgh. Perhaps they're nervously diverting attention from their own secrets?

[Bronco69]

6. Thrush Limpdong should probably watch what he says

lest the rumors of Jeff Christy should pop up again! :-)

[ihaveaquestion]

8. Rush and Dennis must find them attractive

or else they wouldn't think of them "that" way.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. Instead of ridiculing them, perhaps making an attempt to

understand the source of their fears might give you a better idea of how to handle the situation. Just off the top of my head, I'm thinking they might fear homosexuality because they know male heteros are sometimes abusive to women, and perhaps they fear that homosexuals would treat them with the same disregard? Perhaps it's because hetero males don't like unsolicited "touches" from men any more than hetero women don't like them from undesirable hetero males?

In my own experience, a lesbian friend of a friend gave me an unsolicited kiss right in front of my professor just for the purpose of embarrassing me. At the time I was young and going through my Liberal stage and was very confused about how I should feel about it. I thought, hey, if I'm really with it, then I should feel uncomfortable about my own hetero sexuality and this shouldn't bother me. But then it occurred to me that if she had been a male, no one would question that it was sexual harassment or abuse, so why should they question it if it was from a woman?

I hope those right-wingers do explain the source of their fears so we can deal with it accordingly. To just say homosexuality is against the Bible is insufficient information.

[northzax]

39. see, I think you're right

men are pigs (I know, I am one) I confess that I often have sexual thoughts about random women I see on the street (not complex fantasies, but something like 'nice legs' you know?) and I think men are afraid that gay men do the exact same thing (are they objectifying me? I'm more than a nice piece of ass, you know?)

two more parts to it. first off, all men think they are hot. ergo, gay men must want a piece of us, right?

and finally, most 'macho' type men would ogle or make sexual comments about a woman in the shower with them (probably not a very unnatractive woman, but most of them, sure) and given the chance, would bend her over the bench. So they assume that, since they are irresistable, all gay men are thinking the same thing.

That's the big deal with the insult 'girly men' obviously, that would be the 'catcher' the wimp, the one being taken advantage of. and men are terrified that someone will put us in the same position we put others. that someone will take away our inherent advantage of size and strength that we have over women and use it against us.

[neebob]

10. It's called projecting

John Kerry
John Edwards
Rush Limbaugh
Dennis Miller

Which one's most likely gay? Hmm, I can't decide between the last two.

[LondonAmerican]

16. I have no idea

what makes you think one of the last two is? seems like none-so-subtle homophobia...

[lectrobyte]

21. I thought Rush (aka Jeff Christy) had definitely taken a walk on the

wild side, and had the arrest record to prove it...

[Dirty Hippie]

11. Homophobes have homosexual tendencies

I heard about a study (can't remember the source) where they measured homophobia and then measured penile arousal while showing the subjects pornographic images.

There was a strong correlation between homophobia and arousal when shown homo-erotic (men on men) photographs.

So there you have it.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. No you don't have it.

This is such flawed thinking and it's a rationale which gives Liberalism a bad name. Women who are raped may experience an orgasm, but that doesn't mean they enjoyed the rape. Democrats need to get away from the lazy-brain Liberal knee-kicking responses of the past and dig deeper for the answer.

[FreeState]

33. Not quite

Comparing a study of arousal to viewing homosexual porn to arousal during rape is absurd.

Someone watching porn is in no way experiencing what a man or woman that is being raped is experiencing.

I don't know about you but as a gay man straight porn does not get me sexually aroused at all.

The study the previous poster was referring to measured arousal rates of people to homosexual porn.

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. I would question that study.

How did they determine the arousal in an objective manner? I'm really trying to picture this and I can't see it done without someone in the process making a subjective decision.

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. On the measurement process

They measure blood flow to the penis. It's completely objective - done by a machine.

Choose Kerry Lose Bush - FUCK BUSH - Drop Bush Not Bombs!
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. Gotcha!

That's just the answer I was looking for. You see, young boys have been known to get an erection just by being asked to go to the board to answer a Math question. I know that they're suppose to be better at Math, but I doubt they're sexually obsessed with it. Fear can be the factor behind the adrenalin rush that stimulates the blood flow in the body or in private body parts. Same as when women get raped.

So, EEEEHHH. Try again.

[FreeState]

41. Here are some links on the study...

They should make it clearer how its done and what the results are:

http://www.psych.org/pnews/96-09-20/phobia.html
http://religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm

[The Backlash Cometh]

48. I need a synopsis.

Unless the answer is more elaborate than an electrode tied to a penis ring, I'm not interested. (I'm jesting) Blood flow in the body can be a response of fear as much as arousal.

[noiretextatique]

42. i think there is some truth to this argument

many of the gay people i know, including myself, were not exactly gay-friendly before coming to terms with their sexuality.

however, i don't think it explains everything about the RW obessession. i think it's an APPEAL and a TACTIC...like most of the RW talking points. it's meant to appeal to the worst in people...to their bigotry, selfishness and fear.

[The Backlash Cometh]

49. I'll agree that there may be some self-loathing involved in some

cases, but I refuse to paint the entire right-wing obsession with homosexuality with the same broad brush.

[TrogL]

36. That study was discredited

Quote your sources and quit dispersing myths.

[Brian_Expat]

50. Care to provide a source that "that study was discredited?"

Or, in your words. . .

"Quote your sources and quit dispersing myths." :)

[drdigi420]

12. I find it odd that self professed heterosexual men

are so obsessed with what other men do with their penises.

[merh]

13. Their stance of the anti-gay party is not just their mental illness, it ha

a purpose. They tried to get the the marriage amendment past to show they are anti-homosexual, knowing they didn't have the votes, to pander to the RW's phobias yes, but

When the child sodomy videos and allegations of torture against children in the iraq prisons hits the medias and the public is made aware of it, their talking points will be "it's them homosexuals in the military, we are not responsible for the homos activities, we don't like homo's, et cetera".

It is how they will try to show it is not the admin's fault, but it is the homosexual's fault. (IHMO)

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. This is a better response.

Interesting P.O.V.

[merh]

26. They are already using this spin to defend the atrocities

http://www.sftt.org/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=737


:sad: :mad:

[Wind Dancer]

19. I think you may be right!

The WH talking point's memo is always a step ahead with damage control. What a great way to start the hate campaign against homosexual's before the public knows about the rapes and torture in the prisons.

[The Zanti Regent]

17. They are repressed

Any good psychologist will say that!

[DarkPhenyx]

18. I'm not that obsessed with my own sex life. n/t

[dumpster_baby]

20. GOP tries to associate Dems with gays because of sexual identity threat

Younger males males (< 40) can easily have their sevual identity threatened. That makes them feel very bad. I do not see why so many people fail to see that this is a very powerful feeling.

The actual GOP leadership is not threatened by gays, I think. But they try to associate the Dems with gays so as to get the younger male vote. And the Dems have cooperated by making the party all about identity politics, which is stupid, especially when you consider that gays are only maybe 2% of the population.

But what else could they do? The dems at the top of the party have abandoned economic leftism because they saw that they could get along without it, and besides they are rich themselves.....

[devinsgram]

22. They have tendencies towards this lifestyle

but are trying to keep it hidden. They don't understand that the more they talk about it, the more it will be obvious to everyone.

[Lerkfish]

24. The easiest answer is that its a wedge issue...

...like abortion, that they know can manipulate certain voters without actually having to run on a real platform of substantive issues. As long as they can get the visceral anti-gay or prolife mindless pavlovian fear/threat reaction, they can lead certain citizens around by the nose.

Sadly, a large portion of the republican base appears to be militantly anti-gay and antichoice, and a lot of them have nose rings. Not the trendy fashion nose rings, but the old fashioned ones they put in bull's snouts.

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Bottom line is...

This is the best they can do. They know they've got a turd for a candidate, and if any more shoes drop, the white house is going to look like Imelda Marcos's closet at Xmas.

I'm just waiting for Dubya to try calling them "Bozos". Then it's break out the bubbly time.

[OpSomBlood]

29. Miller's in no position to speak on "gay tendencies"...

[TWiley]

32. Speaking of Sex;

try visualizing ole rush fat-ass limbaugh going at it. Now THAT is truely disgusting! Show us how a real American does it Rush!

Dick, Colon, and Bush (sounds like the title of a bad a porno movie) no wonder right wingies are so pre-occupied with sex.

[TrustingDog]

43. let's not forget Kinda Sleazy Rice and a string of Perles...

[TWiley]

54. eh eh eh

I like that one. Thanks

[seabeyond]

37. bush's hysteria on gays and f911

went to see last nite with a friend and the part where they were syaing fear fear fear, then bush all is rosie, then fear fear fear, then bush go on vacation, ........there was a part where they said and watch out for the faries,..........

my eyes pop open look at firend and bust up laughing thinking first gays, then went to the fairies that fly (my firend had brought a box of glass fairies) then to the boats. was the most hiliarious for me in the movie, laughed for a couple minutes. all the bush talk of gay, i thought they were talking gay fairies.......anyway

just a funny

[TexasSissy]

38. This is getting to be an ugly race. A memo must have gone out.

Like the "moral clarity," "liberals," and "out of the mainstream" snipit words you're hearing out of the mouths of all the RWingers, they have now added an assortment of homosexual lingo terms.

We should strike back.

[Skittles]

40. the obsession with homosexuality is weird period

I just simply cannot understand what is the big deal about two people of the same gender connecting; I just don't get why it is or has ever been an issue. A lot of people will say the Bible but is that really what it is?

[TrustingDog]

44. me 2... cannot wrap that one around my brain...

like who the hell cares what consenting adults do in their bedrooms.... oiy veh.

and that bible thangie, I'll betcha Jesus the lovely hippy wouldn't care either. It's all about soul.

[Djinn]

46. especially when the Bible

is less condemnatory about homosexuality than it is about killing people, wanking and eating shellfish. Yet it's the gay thing that gets the christian right frothing at the mouth.

I agree with other posters here that a lot of it is down to blokes assuming that all gay guys (they don't seem half as obsessed with lesbians...or atleast not in the same way!) will be instantly attracted to them and will obviously therefore try to jump them.

I can't count the amount of times I've been told by homophobes that they "don't want some fag looking at my arse" - it never occurs to them that their flabby bum wouldn't be much of a drawcard OR that the women THEY ogle seem to get on with life.

Other than the "they all wanna bang me arrrrggghhh" theory some straight guys seem to have I really just don't get it at all.

As for Rush et al and Kerry/Edwards "gay" innuendo - that's nothing more than the "humour" of infantile morons

[TrustingDog]

51. would like to see the stats on...

homosexual rape compared to hetero rape.

bet those he-men homophobes rape more...
:puke:

[birdbrain]

45. Well I aint trying to start no rumors, but....

they sure couldn't seem to wait to implement gay S&M dungeons in Iraq....

[msmcghee]

52. I think it's simpler than that . .

Basically, ideologues and zealots need someone to hate and utterly despise just as much as they need a perfect god upon which to lavish all praise and glory. The best of all goodness to balance against the worst of all depravity. Face it, it's a dramatic lifestyle.

And in this day and age, we vile liberals have taken away most of their targets for hate. Except for the neos (Nazis that is) most pukes have given up on expressing their traditional hatred for Jews and blacks and Mexicans and Catholics - mostly because they need as many votes from those groups as they can get to hold on to their power.

But gays, now here the bible outright says it's an abomination. So, I guess gays get the booby prize for being the last best target for full-on unapologetic RW bigotry.

Zealotry being what it is, they even have a group of self-flagellating log cabin pukes - ready to condemn themselves to everlasting hell at the first sign of self acceptance.

[LastDemocratInSC]

53. Bingo, Bingo, Bingo!

You have said it correctly and better than I could have (dammit).

On edit - Damn, you are good, and you are spot on. Good for you. Wonderful thinker, you.