What I learned today on FOX and CNN.

[TruthIsAll]

Kerry flip-flops and misses votes. He looks French. Did you see that picture of him sitting near Jane Fonda? He had an affair. He voted for the war. He was a traitor when he came back from Nam and criticized the war.

Edwards sounds like a used-car salesman. He's inexperienced in foreign policy and he's a trial lawyer.

Berger stole classified documents to protect Clinton. That's treason.

Michael Moore's F9/11 is full of lies. I haven't seen it.

Joseph Wilson is a liar. His wife recommended him. Its in the report.

Whoopie Goldberg has a foul mouth. Demand the film of the event.

Linda Ronstadt got what she deserved when she dedicated that song to Michael Moore.

Iran is a threat. They harbor al Qaeda and helped the hijackers.

Iraq had the capability of possibly producing WMD.

Bush takes his orders directly from God.

We are bringing democracy to Iraq.

We are safer than we were before 9/11.

We expect that the next terror attack will be worse than 9/11 and it will occur right before the election.

We must investigate the steps to take if we have to cancel the elections.

[fishface]

1. Faux News... we distort..you comply!

[burrowowl]

2. Damn!

That is a steep learning curve that goes exponentially into the sewer. Now, Iraq could use some good sewers that don't back up. Come to think of it the US does too.

[onebigbadwulf]

3. Thanks for the fair and balanced update.

teehee

[gauguin57]

4. If this weren't so seroius, I'd laugh my a** off

over that list. It's so TRUE that that's all you hear on cable TV (the pundit shows especially).

[napi21]

5. The really sad thing is that SOME people believe it!

Believe me, there are lots of people who believe this shit! My DIL believes all the shit she hears on Boortz, Limpballs, and Hanity. She spends a lot of time in her car and there isn't a liberal talk show I can suggest to her (here in Ga) so she can see the other side of the story.

I try to explain these things aren't true, but I guess I don't have as much credibility with her as the radio!

We need a plan on how to get all this info out to others than the people on DU. We're preaching to the choir here....we need to get this info to the general public!

[punpirate]

8. Gawd, need to distract her.

If she has a cassette player in the car, get her a talking book of Molly Ivins... that will give her a jolt. :P

[ronabop]

9. Air America...

Is on satellite radio now.

-Bop

[AlabamaYankee]

53. Get her XM Satellite Radio

Channel 167 carries Air America (just don't tell her about 166). If she doesn't want to listen to talk, there are dozens of music stations. I travel a lot in Alabama and it's been a sanity saver.

[Birthmark]

6. Methinks their desperation is showing.

[maggrwaggr]

7. do ya think they have any idea how many people HATE them?

probably not.

Let's tell them.

CNN:

404 827 1500

Ask for Jordan Eason, news director


FAUX? They're a lost cause, don't bother

[cthrumatrix]

10. and people wonder "how" Amurikan's get brainwashed...?

[xxqqqzme]

11. when Clinton tapped

Berger weren't there rumblings cuz he was a rethug? I seem 2 recall something like that or am I thinking of D Gergen?

[Leilani]

13. Sandy Berger was always a Dem

I believe he goes back to McGovern..

David Gergen is a Repub; worked for Dems & Repubs.

[LarryBaker]

12. One thing is true though...

Kerry HAS missed way too many votes for me to be comfortable with him.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. Kerry hasn't been on Vacation 42% of his TIO like your boy has!

Go listen to that Fear and Violence news where they bullshit and YOU decide!

Sandy Berger = Terra Lert = Smoke screen = Cover up = KKKarl/Fox


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[LarryBaker]

17. Criticizing Kerry does not automatically make one a Bush supporter.

Take a few steps back and stop being so hateful.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

23. "Criticizing Kerry does not automatically make one a Bush supporter"

But joining DU to insult people and pick fights usually does.

[LarryBaker]

26. Then maybe you should leave?

Cause it seems to me that you are picking a fight. All I said was I don't like the fact that Kerry has been missing way too many important votes where he just let the Reps have their way. Are you saying I have to have blind faith in him to be here? I'm not even going to tell you what I'd call people like that, since I'm not out to pick a fight.

Edit: And another thing, I can't for the life of me understand what about my initial post you found "insulting". Is is insulting to you that I'd rather see someone other than Kerry on the ticket? Well then, I guess I'm guilty. But aside from that, I don't see why you needed to be hateful.

[Hubert Flottz]

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EDIT} The fleas and ticks are BAD this year!

[Zomby Woof]

32. you don't understand the GOP dirty tricks do you?

First, Kerry is campaigning, and missing votes will happen. Bush's Oval Office absenteeism is even higher, for campaigning and vacation reasons.

But even more importantly, the GOP sets Kerry up by trading votes, so that when he doesn't show up, they make him look bad by causing the Dems to lose by one vote or a narrow margin, or when he does show up, they vote along party lines and make his showing up beside the point.

I won't accuse you of being a freeper or Bush-sniffer, but I will accuse of not knowing jack-shit about politics or how truly base and vile the GOP is.

[LarryBaker]

36. I don't dispute at all that the GOP is vile

But this is a pseudo-argument I've been over way too many times. It has to do with so much more than senate votes; I merely pointed out that on this particular fact, FOX/CNN was right. If Kerry loses votes to third parties it's his fault and his fault alone.

Maybe Kerry should resign and focus fully on the campaign. I fear to even mention Bob Dole in a favorable light in this atmosphere, but he did the honorable thing by doing so in '96. And though I'm thankful that didn't get him anywhere, it was the right thing to do. And if for nothing else, the fact that nobody since JFK has gone straight from the Senate is cause even for the merely slightly superstitious to be worried. ;-) But maybe this JFK will be the one to do it, I don't know. I just think it's an exercise in futility replacing one butthole with another.

[Zomby Woof]

33. dupe post

[Zomby Woof]

34. dupe post

[Kathy in Cambridge]

37. I'm not being hateful. I'm being perceptive.

Kerry's not my first choice either, but I'm a prgamatist. And instead of facilitating constructive discussion around here, you've come out swinging. And you call me and other DUers hateful? :crazy:

[LarryBaker]

45. Yes, very pragmatic

Accusing me of being insulting and out to pick fights? This is obviously leading nowhere.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

46. Well, you have been flaming away

just an observation...

[monarch]

16. Which votes concern you?

n/t

[LarryBaker]

21. Lots

Prescription drugs, AIDS, Forestry... But the most telling is perhaps the energy bills he's missed. But I guess he needs a lot of oil for all his SUV's, yachts and planes.

And the ones he hasn't missed concern me too, to say the least. Voting for the war, yeah, way to go Kerry.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

22. He voted for the war based on false information

it must be nice breathing that rarefied air up there on your high horse. :eyes:

[coda]

24. Didn't like his vote on prescription drugs, eh?

Should he have out-lied and out-bribed the GOP?



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http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/bandow200311240827.asp

November 24, 2003,

Principles on Life Support
Medicare expansion and the mirage of fiscal responsibility.

By Doug Bandow

Medicare bill. It is the largest expansion of the welfare state in 40 years.




http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak27.html

GOP pulled no punches in struggle for Medicare bill

November 27, 2003

BY ROBERT NOVAK SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Advertisement


During 14 years in the Michigan Legislature and 11 years in Congress, Rep. Nick Smith had never experienced anything like it. House Speaker Dennis Hastert and Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson, in the wee hours last Saturday morning, pressed him to vote for the Medicare bill. But Smith refused. Then things got personal.


Smith, self term-limited, is leaving Congress. His lawyer son Brad is one of five Republicans seeking to replace him from a GOP district in Michigan's southern tier. On the House floor, Nick Smith was told business interests would give his son $100,000 in return for his father's vote. When he still declined, fellow Republican House members told him they would make sure Brad Smith never came to Congress. After Nick Smith voted no and the bill passed, Duke Cunningham of California and other Republicans taunted him that his son was dead meat.

Feeney held firm against the bill. So did DeMint and Akin. And so did Nick Smith. A steadfast party regular, he has pioneered private Social Security accounts. But he could not swallow the unfunded liabilities in this Medicare bill. The 69-year-old former dairy farmer this week was still reeling from the threat to his son. ''It was absolutely too personal,'' he told me. Over the telephone from Michigan on Saturday, Brad Smith urged his father to vote his conscience.



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http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040321/OPINION/403210477/1030



In February, the Bush administration raised its 10-year cost estimate for the program from $400 billion to $534 billion. The 33 percent increase is significant not only for its size but because administration officials had assured reluctant conservatives in Congress before they voted that $400 billion was the absolute ceiling for costs.


Then last week, Medicare's longtime chief actuary, Richard S. Foster, told The New York Times that former Medicare administrator Thomas Scully had threatened to fire Foster last year if he conveyed his estimate of the program's cost -- $551.5 billion -- to Congress. Democrats contend that such a threat violates federal law, and members of Congress from both parties are demanding explanations from administration officials.


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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040707/us_nm/health_medicare_dc_3

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNews&storyID=5601742&src=rss/healthNews§ion=news


Report Confirms Medicare Cost Estimates Kept Secret
Tue Jul 6, 2004 08:22 PM ET

By Lisa Richwine

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The former Medicare chief pressured an agency official to keep secret his high cost estimates for prescription drug coverage for the elderly but did not break the law, government investigators said Tuesday.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) confirmed allegations that former Medicare Administrator Tom Scully, appointed by President Bush, worked to keep the estimate from lawmakers as they considered whether to pass the bill last year.

The report said Scully, then head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, failed to meet congressional requests for information and threatened his top actuary, Richard Foster, if he did not withhold the estimate. Foster has said he thought he would be fired if he defied Scully.

"Scully warned Foster that he would take disciplinary action if Foster failed to conform," the report said.


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http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/9095914.htm


A report on the investigation, issued Tuesday, says Medicare administrator Thomas Scully threatened to fire the program's chief actuary, Richard Foster, if he provided the data to Congress while lawmakers were considering changes in the program last year.

Foster estimated that the Medicare legislation would cost $500 billion to $600 billion over 10 years. The White House told Congress that the cost would not exceed $400 billion.

In recent weeks, Scully has registered as a lobbyist for major drug companies, including Abbott Laboratories and Aventis; for Caremark Rx, a pharmacy benefit manager; and for the American Chiropractic Association and the American College of Gastroenterology, among other clients. All are affected by the Medicare law, which Scully helped write.

[LarryBaker]

27. He DIDN'T vote, that's the problem.

.

[coda]

49. No, that isn't the problem.

I can only speculate as to your problem.


The vote was 54 to 44.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&ncid=1278&e=2&u=/ap/20031126/ap_on_go_co/medicare


The only absent senators were presidential hopefuls John Kerry of
Massachusetts and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who were present on
Monday for a pair of test votes that settled the bill's fate, then
left to campaign.

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LarryBaker]

28. Sorry

You have to live with the fact that I don't like Kerry. I've been called many things, mostly by conservatives actually, but never have I been branded one myself. Congrats for being the first.

[Hubert Flottz]

30. Just to be sure!

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[LarryBaker]

39. You I just dont' get

But then again you're easy enough to ignore.

[Hubert Flottz]

40. Then why the hell don't you ignore me?

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[dennis4868]

31. Sorry...

but I am suspicious of people who have a low number of posts and come here and simply attack Kerry......this is not freeperland.

[LarryBaker]

38. I guess it's an understandable concern

These were just the threads I happened to stumble on at the front page today. I promise I will do more than voice negative opinions of Kerry in the future. ;-) I am a registered independent, but I have voted for the Democrat in two of the three elections in which I've been eligble. I hope I'm not disqualified here just because I'm leaning more towards a third candidate once again, although I've already been called a "fucking idiot" for doing so.

[bobbyboucher]

48. The clock is ticking

waterboy.

[gristy]

18. For which pieces of legislation did he miss a vote,

and the vote was close enough that it would have had a chance of making a difference in the outcome? It makes a difference, you know.

[lanparty]

43. I doesn't matter ...

If you haven't noticed, the Republicans are in the Senate Majority.

The last time Kerry flew back from Washington for a vote, the Rethuglicans pushed back the vote so Kerry COULD NOT VOTE.

I think the Democrats should make this DAMN CLEAR!!!!!!!

[Roon]

14. I am going to have so much fun..

when Kerry wins. I am going to watch all these whores on the cable news..so many are going to be imploding on the air. November can't come soon enough for me.

[Renew Deal]

19. They said Kerry looks french today?

I thought that was dead.

[lanparty]

44. They're running out of things to say ...

Typically, the thugs have a long cycle on things that don't work. For instance, the Flag Burning Amendment has just reared it's ugly head again today.

They're new stuff isn't working as well so they have to dredge up all this old idiocy. BTW, they should make damn sure to point out that the Boy Scout manual instructs to BURN an old flag as opposed to throwing it out.

[tom_paine]

20. I assume you are being facetious. They aren't still talking about

cancelling the elections, are they?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

35. FOX is CNN and CNN is FOX!

[defoliate_bush]

52. They both suck but..

I think that Fox is the suckiest of all.

[yodermon]

41. The most insane pair

are these:


We are safer than we were before 9/11.

We expect that the next terror attack will be worse than 9/11 and it will occur right before the election.


For someone to maintain in their mind that these 2 statements are concurrently true is a syptom of clinical insanity. Seriously.

[lanparty]

42. Conservative News Network ...

Since Turner sold out, it simply hasn't been the same.

So next time someone tells you (like Daryll Isa) that CNN stands for Clinton News Network, shoot back,

"No, it's the CONSERVATIVE News Network".

[bloom]

47. and that is what many believe is the truth

because they saw it on TV.


that's so depressing. :(

[Zorra]

50. The media is fast approaching public ownership. They are digging

their own graves by not informing the public in a balanced manner.

[veracity]

51. Shame on you...for watching cable news....

get free daily email headlines and links to REAL news....STOP WATCHING THAT CRAP! They didn't cover ANY of the stories that were really top news today...

Check out http://tvnewslies.org. Sign up for free. no strings. It's the only way to stay informed......