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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:30 PM
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Right-Wingers Spinning The Sandy Berger Story

The right-wing is spinning this story big time. They have him stuffing documents in his socks, down his pants, in his pockets, in his shirt, etc. etc. etc.

It's all right-wing bullshit.

Sandy Berger went to the National Archives to review some paperwork from his time in the Clinton administration. He did this to prepare for his testimony before the 9-11 commission.

He accidently removed some copies of some of the papers, he reviewed hundreds of papers and a few of them got in his briefcase or whatever. They were copies of documents, he did not remove any original documents, and he did not try to cover up anything Clinton did. The 9-11 commission had already seen all those documents so he could not try to hide anything from them. The media and the republicans make it look as if he removed some documents that made Clinton look bad. That is ridiculous, he had copies of documents and the 9-11 commission had already seen them.

When he realized he had them he gave them back, except for 2 copies that were accidently thrown away.

Yes he screwed up, he violated their rules, if he broke any laws then prosecute him. But this happened 10 months ago and they have not indicted him, so I doubt they ever will.

The republicans and the media act like he gave the nuclear codes to al-qaeda or something. All he did was accidently take a few copies of some classified documents out of the archives. Nobody saw them but him, and I am pretty sure he did not break any laws. If he did, it was an accident, if he did it on purpose then he should be fined or prosecuted or whatever. But if he accidently left with the copies of the documents like he says, he should not be prosecuted, and the media should get on to real issues.

Berger says it was an innocent mistake, unless they prove otherwise they should just get over it. So much for that liberal media, they have Berger convicted already. We don't even know if he broke any laws, or if he did it on purpose.

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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:31 PM
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1. I'm sure Bill O'Reilly will get to the facts in the No Spin Zone
At least we can count on him to tell the truth. :)
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stewert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:35 PM
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7. Yep.........

O'Reilly will have it as his lead story, to get the no spin truth he will have Newt Gingrigh on to debate it. A far right nut, and a republican host.

That's what they call fair and balanced, the balance is O'Reilly. Don't you know he says he is an objective independent news analyst ?

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:32 PM
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2. Today is the last day of it
Tomorrow will be the 9/11 report. Hang in there.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:33 PM
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3. He must have stolen shrubs Texas National Guard papers too.
That's why they can't find them.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:34 PM
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5. ROFL!!! (nt)
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:33 PM
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4. we have criminals running the government and they are focused on
this.....the media are bought and paid for by rw
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:34 PM
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6. Right Wingers Spinning?
Isn't that redundant?

:evilgrin:

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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:36 PM
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8. Notice how...
They're coming out with this completely factless smoke-screen ONE DAY before the release of the 9-11 Commission's report?:eyes:

Typical of their "m.o."---and they're about to have it washed overboard by that report tomorrow!:D

B-)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 02:58 PM
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9. Taking bets now
Who will be the first pundit to suggest Berger also hid some documents in his rectum?
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kerrywins Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:10 PM
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11. hahaha
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:08 PM
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10. Something worth repeating - from what DAVID GERGEN said:
Edited on Wed Jul-21-04 03:14 PM by calimary
I call this "Dr. Gergen's SANDY BERGER VACCINE." It's a treasure trove of Talking Points that he literally handed the Democratic Party AND the Kerry Campaign on a silver plate yesterday. Don't have a link, but the gist of it is summarized. We should use these, ourselves, for the inevitable arguments and nauseating wrong-wing emails that may rear their ugly heads. It's Heaven-Sent.


I saw David Gergen on “Newsnight” on CNN (Tuesday, July 20th, 2004) with Aaron Brown. I found myself wondering how soon the republi-CONS are going to put a hit out on David Gergen. Gotta be some dirt in there that they can use to discredit him with. He's their worst enemy in this. He OBVIOUSLY did NOT get their memo. He said all the wrong things (at least from their point of view). ALL the wrong things:

About the timing which he bald-facedly said could be regarded as suspicious, and for the reason he also specified - to draw fire away from Thursday's expected release of the 9/11 Commission's report.

About the character of Sandy Berger - unimpeachable, says he knows him well, respects the heck out of him, AND THEN proceeded to spell out in some detail how Sandy Berger worked almost literally around the clock during what we now know as the run-up to the Millennium terrorist threats, and Gergen REPEATEDLY stated that Berger "STOPPED THE ATTACKS." He must have repeated that maybe three or four times.

And to add insult to injury, he flat-out stated that "these people should be THANKING Sandy Berger for all his hard work because (repeating yet again) HE STOPPED THE ATTACKS.

FURTHERMORE, Gergen referred back to ALL the republi-CON puffing, which is, I think, the phrase he used, or maybe even "unnecessary puffing" by those who had just been shown in videotaped clips, fulminating about how awful this was and how it was such a serious breach of national security - you could see all the usual suspects, Dennis Hastert coming to the mike with the coterie of gop henchmen - tom delay, and others, all really indignant and frowny-looking, and then the senators - including rick santorum and - our dear darling Georgia CHICKENHAWK saxby "I'm more patriotic having skirted Vietnam than Max Cleland who lost three limbs in the war there" chambliss. And then, here's David Gergen, referring back to those same people he says were hyperventilating about it (my phrase) when he said a) a second time that they should be THANKING Sandy Berger because he - repeat yet again - STOPPED THE MILLENNIUM ATTACK.

He specifically described all the uproar as just that, uproar, and much ado about nothing. He said they were going way overboard and that there's "a lot less here than meets the eye." Those were, in fact, his closing comments, and those, too, were a repeat from earlier in the interview.

He not only vouched vigorously for Sandy Berger's character, but he gave himself a little bit of a ribbing when he pointed out that this was certainly sloppy, and mentioned that he himself ought to know because he had that problem, being sloppy. He said he could understand how you have papers all over the desk and at the end you scoop 'em all up and put 'em away in your folder and then - Gergen said - he probably LOST a couple of 'em. He pointed out again that he thought this was just sloppy.

He further said that Berger was there, to begin with, because as part of what was then his anticipated testimony before the 9/11 Commission, that the commission asked him to go back and thoroughly review his notes of the Millennium threat and what was done - (to do what, class?) STOP THE ATTACK. So he was carrying out instructions he'd been given from the panel.

AND - Gergen also pointed out, repeatedly, that these were copies. COPIES. C-O-P-I-E-S of stuff that is STILL in the National Archives, stuff that was ALL seen by the 9/11 Commission, and ALL made available, and all still there, now. Gergen said there was NEVER anything out of any of this that was kept back from, or hidden from, or disallowed to the 9/11 Commission, and that they'd seen everything there. This, he said, and the missing papers, were copies of stuff that the commission absolutely did get to see. So basically no damage done - GERGEN SAID.

As for Aaron Brown, he introduced Gergen as somebody who ought to know, having advised four presidents, Nixon, Reagan, bush 1 and Clinton. The CLEAR inference here was that this, like with Richard Clarke, presents a picture of someone who is very non-partisan, having worked for both camps, and presidents of both parties.

So, all in all, I thought it was rather even-handed, even excellent for Sandy Berger. David Gergen was really definite about these things. No hemming and hawing and parsing his words and grasping about, verbally, for "a way to put this" that would shade it with other meanings in any way. He was very straightforward, and the republi-CONS probably hate his guts this evening. Probably revoked his VIP pass to their convention next month. EVERYTHING David Gergen said HURT their case. EVERYTHING. If Sandy Berger's attorney was at trial about this, he'd have David Gergen as his star witness.

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Sorry for the length, but these are GREAT Talking Points if you want to write a letter to the editor, or to your UNfavorite TV reporter or anchor or spin doctor. EXTREMELY valuable and useful. For TWO reasons:
1) It reinforces the good about Sandy Berger smack in the face of these would-be terrorist experts. Gergen REPEATED "HE STOPPED THE ATTACK" maybe four or five times during those few interview minutes. He must have thought that, alone, was a HUGELY significant point, about which people NEED TO BE reminded.
2) It turns the glare back on the republi-CONS - in this time when we're waiting for the 9/11 Commission that - try as they might to deflect the blame from THIS White House - will still show that THIS White House at least SHARES the blame. AND it provides a wickedly good opportunity to remind about the PLAME outing, and how - ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT - that outing of an undercover CIA operative IS a crime. It IS a violation of law. It IS a blow to our national security. And it goes STRAIGHT TO THEIR FRONT DOOR. Let them try to pawn THAT one off on Berger and Clinton.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:15 PM
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13. excellent summary of the issue
there really isn't anything here - it's all smoke!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:12 PM
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12. They keep repeating the sock lie too.
Over and over and over and over and over... They know it's a lie. The media knows it's a lie. Does that stop any of them from repeating it? Hell no.

As Hitler's propagandist Joseph Goebbles stated, “a lie told often enough eventually becomes the truth.”
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 03:16 PM
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14. Where does this stupid sock thing come from?
I mean how the fuck would they even know he'd done such a thing?
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