400+ pages in the 9-11 report. and ........

[toddzilla]

Not a single fucking sentence devoted to the concept of NOT FUCKING INVADING AND BOMBING COUNTRIES IN ORDER TO STOP TERRORISM!!!!!







can i have the blue pill now? i really don't get it.

[Dookus]

1. well

I'm not pleased with the report, but to be fair, their mission had nothing to do with geopolitical concerns.

[CaTeacher]

2. Yeah--I mean the title is 9-11 so the subject matter is 9-11,

how it happened, what went wrong and all that not so much the politics of what we should NOT do in fighting the war in terror.

But I understand and sympathize with your frustration--I wish someone would speak up and say this. Kerry--please please speak out! I think if we are bold and brave and true to our principles--there will be no stopping us.

[shockingelk]

14. It does criticize focus on military action

on p 376 ...

In short, the United States has to help defeat an ideology, not just a group of people, and we must do so under difficult circumstances. How can the United States and its friends help moderate Muslims combat the extremist ideas?

Recommendation:The U.S. government must define what the message is, what it stands for.We should offer an example of moral leadership in the world, committed to treat people humanely, abide by the rule of law, and be generous and caring to our neighbors. America and Muslim friends can agree on respect for human dignity and opportunity.To Muslim parents, terrorists like Bin Ladin have nothing to offer their children but visions of violence and death. America and its friends have a crucial advantage—we can offer these parents a vision that might give their children a better future. If we heed the views of thoughtful leaders in the Arab and Muslim world, a moderate consensus can be found.

That vision of the future should stress life over death: individual educational and economic opportunity. This vision includes widespread political participation and contempt for indiscriminate violence. It includes respect for the rule of law, openness in discussing differences,and tolerance for opposing points of view.

[toddzilla]

3. it is supposed to outline how to prevent future attacks..

can you think of a better way to prevent something other than to remove the initial reason for the event?

[Dookus]

4. sorry

their mission was to look at the intelligence issues that led up to 9/11.

I agree with you on the politics, but the 911 commission simply was not tasked with that.

[2Design]

7. so can we remove the carbs and rice....and it will be safer

[Suzi Creamcheese]

5. This was a complete waste of time and money, I agree

20 months of this for a conclusion that the basic problem was that the government "lacked imagination". That we are "not safe".

Doh. I wonder if there is a way to hold their paychecks.

[2Design]

9. they are selling the book in bookstores..who gets that money....

so the timing was so they could release a book.... I was incredulous when I realized they had a book published to be bought....

[Columbia]

11. Well, you can download it if you want

Or buy a hard copy for convenience. Seems like a prudent decision to me.

[timtom]

20. Waste of time and money...

But we all already knew that more than 20 months ago (us on DU, I mean). And we know that EVERY report/investigation is/hasbeen/will be whitewashed for some time to come.

[gauguin57]

6. What about making our treatment of Israel and the Palestinians

more equitable? That could go a long way to lessening the threat of terrorism (well, it might, if we weren't over there messing up Iraq and inspiring MORE terrorists!).

Was there ANYTHING in the report about re-thinking our foreign policy, or is it all about: Hey, we're AMERICA! We can do anything we damned well please, be friends with any creepy oil-rich country we please, invade anyone we please ... so when the terrorists INEVITABLY come after us, we need to beef up our defenses at home.

Why not solve the problem at its SOURCE, instead of always with the BAND-AIDS!

[CaTeacher]

8. YES!!!

I wish I had an applause emoticon to post!

[2Design]

10. yes all they have done is put up gates.....so what about if we want to

travel to other countries....they have made it less safe.....

and today their highest priority was again HATE and getting more people angry and taking away more people's rights to the same benefits as others....

this country is in real trouble with this scoundrels in office...

[aquart]

15. Simplistic jargon for peace!

If you believe that's the source, have I got a bridge for you.

In your infinite wisdom, maybe you want to ask WHY the Palestinians are treated as lepers by their fellow Arabs? WHY only the United States and the TINY nation of Israel are capable of helping the Palestinians, who are flanked by large populations of Arabs and other Muslims, and some frighteningly wealthy Arab oil states at that, which talk a good game yet don't lift a finger to help them? Because they're scared of tiny little Israel? Because the United States is so pro-Israeli and anti-Arab? Really? That's what you think?

Tell me what the Saudis and the Kuwaitis have done for the Palestinians. Tell me how much Jordan loves them. Explain to me how Sharon held a gun and forced the Lebanese to massacre their good friends in Sabra and Shatila. Come on, let's hear the accounting.

The Arabs are trying SO HARD for the Palestinians. Yes, indeed, that's what causes all the problems, the poor poor Palestinians and the mean Jews. Everything would be peaceful if there were no Jews.

Right? That is what you mean, isn't it? That is the consequence of what you mean, isn't it?

Sometimes I get so disgusted with the kneejerk mindlessness in this place I could spit.

[StandUpGuy]

17. 1000 posts like this ?

I hope not.

If you post this rhetoric so easily you must do it willfully. People less invested in this line of thought have some shame and qualify statements like these with IMHO.

The neighboring Arab nations can do nothing but absorb the Palestinian refugees the Israelis have evicted from their own land for the past 40+ years.

But you knew that.

The Arab nations that do try and send financial or humanitarian aid get accused of supporting Terrorists.

But that you also knew.

The American and Israeli governments are pushing a 2 state solution to insure a Jewish democracy, knowing full well that the demographic trends have more Arabs living in Israel than Jews very soon. (another reason for the wall cutting through Arab neighborhoods)

You knew that didn't you ?

So lets consider the reasons for your angst.

I think you realize that the Arab countries are being accused by Israel of turning there back on the poor Palestinians, but the reality is quite the opposite. If the Arabs were to absorb the refugees the Palestinians would forever lose the rightfully ancestral lands. And the issues would be swept away with the passage of time.

If the Arab countries funded, armed, and healed the Palestinians they would quickly feel the full force of American reprisals. Note I don't mention Israeli reprisals. Arab nations know the nuclear deterrent Israel pretends to wield is noting more than a red Herring. Mutually assured destruction holds even more weight in an area the size of NY state.

So as an educated Jew that knows all of this my question is why do you pretend otherwise?

Do you really believe your side has no better justification for your actions than tired rhetoric that has been debunked and shown to be veiled racism no better than the white power arguments of the old south?

[Curious Dave]

12. And not a single sentence devoted to

mentioning that, at least on some level, we deserved what happened on that day. Also, no mention of MIHOP or LIHOP. LIES LIES LIES ALL FUCKING LIES!

[aquart]

16. On no level did we deserve what happened.

What a perfectly disgusting thing to say.

And what unforgivably murderous thoughts I have on reading it.

A spoiled rich boy decided what was right for the world. And WE DESERVED HIS JUDGEMENT?????

Because his mommy wasn't wife number one?

[StandUpGuy]

19. I guess it is 1000 posts of hate

God has room on this earth for people that hate like you too.

Imagine if the entire US administration thought like you, we would be in a real mess.

Oh wait they do and we are.

Even the most deluded and ignorant American understands the concept of blow back.

Are you calling Osama Bin Laden .....

"A spoiled rich boy decided what was right for the world"

It sounds like you were referring to yourself.

Maybe you should read up on US foreign policy in the 20th century.

Or just go fly a kite and stay determined to spew your hate, but either way I'm going to add you to my buddy list so I can monitor your progress.

[maggrwaggr]

13. Yeah? Well how 'bout this

not a goddamn thing about Pakistan.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2045979#2047418

Check out Luna C's post about halfway down.

Pretty amazing stuff

[ronabop]

18. Bzzt!

Read it again.

I just did (and my eyes hurt like hell). The taliban-pakistan connection is mentioned, as is UBL and pakistani madrasas contributing to zealotry (etc. etc.).

-Bop